Although this seems like a good idea,hitting them where it hurts, why aren't we using time travel? It's the only thing the Iconians can't do,so why don't we exploit that weakness by going back to when they are fleeing iconia and blasting them to kingdom come? I'd rather risk the chance of a paradox than all the alliance dying.
Actually the Romulan Temporal Agent gives one reason to why this isn't that easy.
Basically: Iconians destroyed at the beginning=no Hobus supernova=Romulans still under the control of backstabbing Tal Shiar scum=No Romulan Republic.
That, plus other many potential outcomes. Remember, it took McCoy saving one (nice) person in the past to cause the TRIBBLE to win WWII and the Federation to never exist.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them." -Thomas Marrone
I think what we are being introduced too is the "secret house" is the descendants of that romulan penal colony both romulan, klingon, and the mixed romulan/klingons
Although most likely if they are going this route all the pilot bops people are thinking of like brel, heghta, kvort etc. They may be taking one of my ideas and making some kind of klingon/romulan/possibly fed pack where they have bops/shrikes being added into the war roughly ships thats are majority klingon/romulan with maybe some kind of fed tech along with it.
I don't think T'Kora's heritage is that of Romulan. Would a Romulan be logical at all? What T'Kora had displayed in the post is logic. I think K'men was correct, T'Kora had Vulcan ancestry as well as Klingon Ancestry.
I think the way it will happen is similar to the Dominon war. We stop the flow of Iconian forces into our Quadrants leaving the ones here to deal with. However I have a feeling the Iconians are going to have a back up plan in case this were to happen. Although daring its also obvious considering they have very little options to fall back on as Spock would say. Iconians have more advanced minds and technology than the standard humanoid of the Milky Way.
The Iconians will strike back and in force after this. (at least I hope they do) We need massive devastation and the final "count down" till Armageddon. This will be the war to end all wars.
Hopefully this doesn't mean auto-victory for the Allies like Midway in the Pacific did in WW2 because after that battle it was pretty much all down hill. I want to have the Empire Strike back.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] "This planet smells, it must be the Klingons"
I don't think T'Kora's heritage is that of Romulan. Would a Romulan be logical at all? What T'Kora had displayed in the post is logic. I think K'men was correct, T'Kora had Vulcan ancestry as well as Klingon Ancestry.
Rihannsu can indeed be logical, they just don't use it exclusively.
"You Iconians just hung a vacancy sign on your asses and my foot's looking for a room!"
--Red Annorax
Although this seems like a good idea,hitting them where it hurts, why aren't we using time travel? It's the only thing the Iconians can't do,so why don't we exploit that weakness by going back to when they are fleeing iconia and blasting them to kingdom come? I'd rather risk the chance of a paradox than all the alliance dying.
How many times do you people have to be told?
If you use time travel as a weapon your pregnant mother gets a visit from a 30th century Feddie/Klingon timecop who proceeds to throw her off a short ledge or down some stairs. Or they fix your TRIBBLE up and throw you a blanket party for their troubles.
"Delta Flight recovered some data from the Solanae station before its destruction," T'Kora said
Wait. We lost the Solanae station? we're not talking the Solanae sphere, are we?
As for blowing up an omega generator - no one said "blow it up", they said turn its power against them, after all, the Solanae Sphere was abandoned because of a flaw in the star's spectral band. Just re-create the flaw in the other sphere. Just think of it as Thaleron radiation on steroids. It worked for Chernyobl.
I don't think T'Kora's heritage is that of Romulan. Would a Romulan be logical at all? What T'Kora had displayed in the post is logic. I think K'men was correct, T'Kora had Vulcan ancestry as well as Klingon Ancestry.
Nah, Romulans can be logical when they want to be. They're cunning strategists after all, they think about what they're doing before they do it.
With each passing day I wonder if I stepped into an alternate reality. The Cubs win the world series. Donald Trump is President. Britain leaves the EU. STO gets a dedicated PvP season. Engineers are "out of control" in STO.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them." -Thomas Marrone
Actually the Romulan Temporal Agent gives one reason to why this isn't that easy.
Basically: Iconians destroyed at the beginning=no Hobus supernova=Romulans still under the control of backstabbing Tal Shiar scum=No Romulan Republic.
That, plus other many potential outcomes. Remember, it took McCoy saving one (nice) person in the past to cause the TRIBBLE to win WWII and the Federation to never exist.
To spin it another way, Iconians destroyed at the beginning= Spock being able to make a lasting peace between the romulans and Vulcans,hence reunification and a lasting treaty with the federation possibibly a starfleet member which would equate nice romulans. Another good point that could be made is since no Iconians in the picture there would be no meddling by the Undine thus saving the federation klingon alliance. I appreciate your view, but I still think a temporal fix would have ended alot of problems.
Kind of like where this is going. Using Omega against them. But how is the Alliance going to use Omega as a weapon without disrupting warp travel?
Iconians don't use warp travel. The Alliance does.
I'll replace Omega with good old fashioned yet still very destructive Anti-Matter.
The "goal" of this maneuver isn't to use the antimatter directly against the OPFOR, instead, the intent is to use the product of the antimatter powersource, say the power in the EPS conduits, against them somehow (plasma leak? massive short circuit? generation of a micro warp field that devastates structural integrity?)...
And there's another concept at work - a mountain of TNT contains the destructive potential, but a lot less of the side effects, of a nuclear explosion. Sadly, said pile of TNT isn't exactly as mobile as that one nuke.
Detecting big-time "anti-old-school" bias here. NX? Lobi. TOS/TMP Connie? Super-promotion-box. (aka the two hardest ways to get ships) Excelsior & all 3 TNG "big hero" ships? C-Store. Please Equalize...
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
In the words of worf to a Klingon nothing is more honorable then victory. As for pilot ships over my cold dead corpse. This is star trek not fighter trek and that is my point of view. A tier six bird of prey would be nice but not sure what good it would be. In case no one has noticed npc ships are now firing kinetic damage torps at a insane rate these days on elite. So I am not sure what good a bop would be. You can keep the shields up all day long but that kinetic damage will eventually destroy you.
The details also determine the difference between a glorious afterlife in Sto'Vo'Kor or endless torment in Gre'thor.
I'd say all STO klingons go to Gre'thor because of their overuse of sci magic, disabling their opponents because they don't have the Strength or the Honor to face them on even terms.
Isn't it ultimately unfair if you're fighting against weaker opponents anyway. Taken to that extreme, the only ways to stay honorful is to fail against superior foes.
Obviousy, Klingon honor doesn't work like that.
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
Isn't the whole attacking from cloak thing dishonorable then?
in pvp, sure :P
on the shows i mean b'rels are not built to fight long term fights, these raiding ships are fast but fragile but carry massive forward firepower and nothing on the rear. what helps them servive to fight is the cloak. even klingons are not as reckless to try zerg the b'rels, they would get massacred before they got anywhere near their enemies. using the cloak is a very effective and tactical tool, but its a great survival tool as well.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
the key with a BoP is to hit from an angle where you're not a good target-that's ALWAYS been the key to flying a BoP-when you attack a cruiser in Ker'rat, you don't do it from his broadside, when you're going after an Escort or Science ship you don't do it nose-on-to-nose, you hit from the flanks.
Second is to know when to hit your 'Brace for impact' and when to hit the gas and get out of dodge.
Third is, you're flying a BoP, you should expect to be knocked out occasionally-if you want to sit still and just endure, you fly a cruiser. BoP flying is all about position and spike, because camp-and-Faw just doesn't work on that hull series.
I am well aware of this but the current elite is not the same as the old VA elite. Npc ships spam torps from both the rear and forward sections now. The angle seems to be increased to. I was not trying to knock the Bird of prey, It happens to be one of my favorites, but given what ive seen in the current elite difficulty. I am just not sure it would be of any good, unless they made a solid tier six one. By solid not gimped like the tier 6 raptor, and no I am not referring to the pilot ships.
I'll replace Omega with good old fashioned yet still very destructive Anti-Matter.
Photon Torpedoes are antimatter weapons. Each photon torpedo carries a one kilogram slug of antimatter and a kilogram of matter inside magnetic containment fields. When it hits something, or reaches the optimal range, the fields separating the matter and antimatter are removed and the two annihilate each other and thus producing the equivalent energy of a 43 megaton thermonuclear fusion device's initiation (or 43,000,000 tons of TNT, if you're inside an atmosphere).
It should say something about both the destructive capabilities of starships and the strength of their defenses that the most common offensive projectile in the galaxy is equal to the most powerful thermonuclear devices ever built in the real world, and most starships carry dozens or even hundreds of these warheads in their armories.
Since when is hitting some power generators that fuels Iconian gateways considered dishonorable? Turning their own power against them is the same thing as a knife in the back or poisoning them?
I understand the 'honor' narrative, but what T'Kora is describing is assymetric warfare.
It's not, just some low tier Klingon writing. I would be more concerned about using the Omega particles since they shut down warp travel when released. That was the whole reason for stopping the Voth in the game.
So about those flanking bonuses on BoPs as they decloak behind their target, ambushing them...
...what are you trying to say there?
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"...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--"
- (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie
CAPTAIN'S LOG:
These rumors I continue to hear from intelligence and the front make no sense. No intelligence or other command personal has yet to reply to my demands on the threat level. What I mean is that the romulans are considered a threat level 8 while the federation and klingon empires are only considered a threat level 4 to the Iconinas.
I would think that most klingons knowing this would be outraged by this information. Yet I see no outrage at all. I know the romulans are hiding something, something they should be telling us....
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Basically: Iconians destroyed at the beginning=no Hobus supernova=Romulans still under the control of backstabbing Tal Shiar scum=No Romulan Republic.
That, plus other many potential outcomes. Remember, it took McCoy saving one (nice) person in the past to cause the TRIBBLE to win WWII and the Federation to never exist.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
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How much do you want to be a Ferengi is responsible for THAT poster, too? And no respectable Klingon should let that poster to continue to exist.
I. however, find it Hill-Air-Ree-Us.
The Iconians will strike back and in force after this. (at least I hope they do) We need massive devastation and the final "count down" till Armageddon. This will be the war to end all wars.
Hopefully this doesn't mean auto-victory for the Allies like Midway in the Pacific did in WW2 because after that battle it was pretty much all down hill. I want to have the Empire Strike back.
--Red Annorax
How many times do you people have to be told?
If you use time travel as a weapon your pregnant mother gets a visit from a 30th century Feddie/Klingon timecop who proceeds to throw her off a short ledge or down some stairs. Or they fix your TRIBBLE up and throw you a blanket party for their troubles.
Wait. We lost the Solanae station? we're not talking the Solanae sphere, are we?
As for blowing up an omega generator - no one said "blow it up", they said turn its power against them, after all, the Solanae Sphere was abandoned because of a flaw in the star's spectral band. Just re-create the flaw in the other sphere. Just think of it as Thaleron radiation on steroids. It worked for Chernyobl.
My character Tsin'xing
That's SO last year :P
They're talking about the station in the Calbriden system, that was destroyed at the end of "Delta Flight".
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
To spin it another way, Iconians destroyed at the beginning= Spock being able to make a lasting peace between the romulans and Vulcans,hence reunification and a lasting treaty with the federation possibibly a starfleet member which would equate nice romulans. Another good point that could be made is since no Iconians in the picture there would be no meddling by the Undine thus saving the federation klingon alliance. I appreciate your view, but I still think a temporal fix would have ended alot of problems.
Iconians don't use warp travel. The Alliance does.
I'll replace Omega with good old fashioned yet still very destructive Anti-Matter.
The "goal" of this maneuver isn't to use the antimatter directly against the OPFOR, instead, the intent is to use the product of the antimatter powersource, say the power in the EPS conduits, against them somehow (plasma leak? massive short circuit? generation of a micro warp field that devastates structural integrity?)...
And there's another concept at work - a mountain of TNT contains the destructive potential, but a lot less of the side effects, of a nuclear explosion. Sadly, said pile of TNT isn't exactly as mobile as that one nuke.
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
Isn't it ultimately unfair if you're fighting against weaker opponents anyway. Taken to that extreme, the only ways to stay honorful is to fail against superior foes.
Obviousy, Klingon honor doesn't work like that.
in pvp, sure :P
on the shows i mean b'rels are not built to fight long term fights, these raiding ships are fast but fragile but carry massive forward firepower and nothing on the rear. what helps them servive to fight is the cloak. even klingons are not as reckless to try zerg the b'rels, they would get massacred before they got anywhere near their enemies. using the cloak is a very effective and tactical tool, but its a great survival tool as well.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
I am well aware of this but the current elite is not the same as the old VA elite. Npc ships spam torps from both the rear and forward sections now. The angle seems to be increased to. I was not trying to knock the Bird of prey, It happens to be one of my favorites, but given what ive seen in the current elite difficulty. I am just not sure it would be of any good, unless they made a solid tier six one. By solid not gimped like the tier 6 raptor, and no I am not referring to the pilot ships.
Photon Torpedoes are antimatter weapons. Each photon torpedo carries a one kilogram slug of antimatter and a kilogram of matter inside magnetic containment fields. When it hits something, or reaches the optimal range, the fields separating the matter and antimatter are removed and the two annihilate each other and thus producing the equivalent energy of a 43 megaton thermonuclear fusion device's initiation (or 43,000,000 tons of TNT, if you're inside an atmosphere).
It should say something about both the destructive capabilities of starships and the strength of their defenses that the most common offensive projectile in the galaxy is equal to the most powerful thermonuclear devices ever built in the real world, and most starships carry dozens or even hundreds of these warheads in their armories.
It's not, just some low tier Klingon writing. I would be more concerned about using the Omega particles since they shut down warp travel when released. That was the whole reason for stopping the Voth in the game.
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These rumors I continue to hear from intelligence and the front make no sense. No intelligence or other command personal has yet to reply to my demands on the threat level. What I mean is that the romulans are considered a threat level 8 while the federation and klingon empires are only considered a threat level 4 to the Iconinas.
I would think that most klingons knowing this would be outraged by this information. Yet I see no outrage at all. I know the romulans are hiding something, something they should be telling us....