while there are players willing to exchange their dil at these high prices the rate will not drop, the only way to get the exchange to swing back the other way is for players to withhold their dilithium until the rate is more acceptable.
if theres no dil being sold you would be shocked at how fast the rate will fall.
the only problem is as soon as players start selling dil again the rate will quickly climb.
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Then someone will complain that that's not high enough. The cap needs to be increased to 600 ... or 700 ... or 800 ... or 900 ... or 1000. After all, it's only money, right?
Back a few years ago, it was even higher than what it is right now.
I have been meaning to buy a load of zen to take advantage of the current glut. It's a buyer's market now for certain.
I've just been waiting to see how far it will climb...but at the same time thinking it might be a good idea to go ahead and buy now. Even if I only buy in chunks so I can try and get the most dil for my zen.
Pilot ships are hot and the game is flooded with Dilithium from Events: CE Event, Recruit Event, etc. What did people think was going to happen? It is the same reason for why the Refining limit should not be raised - it would just drive the Dilithium even higher. Without something major to spend Dilithium on, or thousands of players just stop earning Dilithium, it is only going to keep going up.
should it not be the other way around though as more dil gets into game the price "should" go down. I would understand prices now if there was not so many ways to get dil but there is so many ways to get it. if you wanna blame some one for the way it is blame the greed in people ingame.
should it not be the other way around though as more dil gets into game the price "should" go down. I would understand prices now if there was not so many ways to get dil but there is so many ways to get it. if you wanna blame some one for the way it is blame the greed in people ingame.
As more dilithium enters the game the price of dilithium goes down, since its value also goes down. More units of dilithium chasing after the Zen on the exchange, which still costs the same amount of real world money to buy.
This is an MMO, not a Star Trek episode simulator. That would make for a terrible game.
Never seen anyone complain about the price of Zen being too low...
When I started playing the game, the forum was awash in DOOM threads about how the economy was collapsing/game would die/etc.... because the exchange price had dropped below 300. And if they didn't do something to prop up the value of zen, the Big Money Whales who Support The Game would stop buying zen (to exchange for Dil, to run Fleet projects) and the game would fail.
As more dilithium enters the game the price of dilithium goes down, since its value also goes down. More units of dilithium chasing after the Zen on the exchange, which still costs the same amount of real world money to buy.
The price of dilithium on the exchange IS going down, that is why the numbers on the exchange get higher and higher... the number is the value of dil related to zen, as the value of dil goes down the number goes up because it takes more dil to buy zen as the value of zen is more "Fixed".
The price of dilithium on the exchange IS going down, that is why the numbers on the exchange get higher and higher... the number is the value of dil related to zen, as the value of dil goes down the number goes up because it takes more dil to buy zen as the value of zen is more "Fixed".
Which is exactly what I posted. The person that I replied to seemed to be saying that the prices that we're seeing, and the general trend of Zen becoming more expensive, in regard to how much dilithium it costs, were not not to be expected, given the expanding sources of dilithium. My reply was that it is, in fact, exactly what is to be expected. Dilithium right now is behaving like gold or silver right after a new major deposit is discovered, more supply to meet the essentially same demand means the price per unit goes down.
This is an MMO, not a Star Trek episode simulator. That would make for a terrible game.
I Still remember when it was 300 dilithium for a C-point, before the Zen conversion.
Then I only had 3 toons, now I have 12 toons, 9 of which are KDF, so dilithium it much easier to come by than when I started.
Wasn't it higher than that when the Vesta class starships were released? But if I'm honest players have been spoilt by the low prices of below 100 per point, but its a player driven market and with the larger fleets having completed their fleet holdings there's likely a large surplus of dilithium floating around.
Speaking of which, I'm surprised their hasn't been a conspiracy theory about the manipulation of the dil exchange by some higher power.
Wasn't it higher than that when the Vesta class starships were released? But if I'm honest players have been spoilt by the low prices of below 100 per point, but its a player driven market and with the larger fleets having completed their fleet holdings there's likely a large surplus of dilithium floating around.
Speaking of which, I'm surprised their hasn't been a conspiracy theory about the manipulation of the dil exchange by some higher power.
I believe you are right, it was higher, and I agree people have been spoiled. To me it is mostly motivation to upgrade my gear to Mk XIV UR on the 6 toons I do more than just dilithium grind on. That is a Hugh Dil sink, especially since I'm going Epic on my spire consoles.
Still I ran out of Dil yesterday, but was able to buy all 9 pilot ships with dilithium on launch.
The Price is a pinch, but it is just economics
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I last put zen in when I got a little over 300 dil per. Im STILL sitting on 100k dil from that haul because I play so casually and never found stuff I really wanted to spend my dil on in mass. Dil store gear isnt as good as fleet gear, or now crafting.
Since folks love my economic suggestions, what would be wrong with Cryptic charging dil for spec points and pick your own crafting modifiers? Set the dil floor to 200 and roof at 400, then the zen buyers will never feel ripped off, and the dil grinders wont be too taken advantage of either. Ive always felt the equation should be shifted in favor of the zen BUYERS, you know, the ones that actually PAY the bills around here. F2Pers have it too easy when they are crying about taking another swim in their Scrooge McDuck dilithium money bin.
If the price is getting up near 300 again, I may finally drop some zen on the market here soon.
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Capt. Will Conquest of the U.S.S. Crusader
From the other side of the medal, Zen sellers are more advantaged. So not everybody is loosing in this free market.
Or it could simply be no one is bothering to buy Zen at all for any purpose in the same quantities as previously.
I know that certainly describes myself and my circle of friends who have completely disengaged in the wake of T6 release after T6 release and the decisions regarding ships for the summer event; and I say this as someone who upgraded to lifer and bought the Delta Rising bundle in, what I thought was, good faith of integrating these changes into the game overall.
Frankly, I'd be happy if the dilithium market disappeared in its entirety coupled with an instant halving to quartering of all Zen costs in the game.
The game would be unquestionably better off for it rather than having ot artificially inflate the costs of things just to manage the free acquisition.
When you examine the sheer number of economical and gameplay problems that stem directly and indirectly by having to account for the dilithium exchange as a construct, it's staggering.
Not a popular viewpoint I'm sure but I cannot say I'm remotely concerned or unhappy about the dilithium exchange being marginalized.
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I last put zen in when I got a little over 300 dil per. Im STILL sitting on 100k dil from that haul because I play so casually and never found stuff I really wanted to spend my dil on in mass. Dil store gear isnt as good as fleet gear, or now crafting.
Since folks love my economic suggestions, what would be wrong with Cryptic charging dil for spec points and pick your own crafting modifiers? Set the dil floor to 200 and roof at 400, then the zen buyers will never feel ripped off, and the dil grinders wont be too taken advantage of either. Ive always felt the equation should be shifted in favor of the zen BUYERS, you know, the ones that actually PAY the bills around here. F2Pers have it too easy when they are crying about taking another swim in their Scrooge McDuck dilithium money bin.
If the price is getting up near 300 again, I may finally drop some zen on the market here soon.
Umm, wow dude...
F2Pers have it too easy? I'd love to hear your explanation on that...
F2P players usually don't pay $$ when the next big thing hits and renders all their 'shinies' obsolete, they usually have to grind themselves into a stupor just to maintain competitveness with the P2W crowd. Who ironically can just drop some green and buy their way into getting high end gear/equipment without having to actually earn it in-game.
As for the Dil exchange, again F2P players are hardly at an advantage here, they have to go through and grind out all the dil they need to get Zen, where as a P2W player just opens his/her wallet and pulls out a credit card...
Yeah, you're right, F2Pers have it waaaaaay to easy, let's drive up the zen price even higher to make those freeloading jerks pay through the nose just for the privilage of standing in the shadows of the mighty P2W player.*
*That was sarcasm in case you didn't notice.
Eidt: Apologies for being offensive there, I just got really upset with the 'F2Pers have it too easy' comment...
F2Pers have it too easy? I'd love to hear your explanation on that...
F2P players usually don't pay $$ when the next big thing hits and renders all their 'shinies' obsolete, they usually have to grind themselves into a stupor just to maintain competitveness with the P2W crowd. Who ironically can just drop some green and buy their way into getting high end gear/equipment without having to actually earn it in-game.
As for the Dil exchange, again F2P players are hardly at an advantage here, they have to go through and grind out all the dil they need to get Zen, where as a P2W player just opens his/her wallet and pulls out a credit card...
Yeah, you're right, F2Pers have it waaaaaay to easy, let's drive up the zen price even higher to make those freeloading jerks pay through the nose just for the privilage of standing in the shadows of the mighty P2W player.*
*That was sarcasm in case you didn't notice.
Yes, it' unfair to class F2P'ers as freeloaders...... F2P'ers are not freeloaders, they are entry level grunt employees whose value is defined solely by the relative need that exists for any dilithium they might want to sell to those who are opening their wallets and actually paying for the game to keep running.
Normally I ignore most 'insults' directed at F2P people but in this case, I'll make an exception. I have dumped enough actual $ into this game over the last two years to pay for a more than a couple LTS. I just don't normally do it all at once. Normally it's $10 here, $20 there,... usually when i come up short unexpectedly for an upgrade or purchase I'm in the middle of. Ordinarily, I just grind for everything but c-store ships.
If dumping the equivalent of 3-4 LTS (at least) into the game over the course of the the last two years makes me a F2P freeloader, well then f*** you and the broken down garbage scow you flew in on,...
Just because F2P players don't sport some forum badge or advertise how much/often they spend if any, doe NOT make us freeloaders. We trade our Dilithium, EC, time for the Zen or gear we buy. Without us, those zen someone paid money for would still be sitting there with no need or impetus to buy more.
And remember, sometimes, people spend a lot more than you think. Just because they don't do it all at once and don't brag about it in public, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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Get a grip fellas. If you have at least put $100 into this game over the course of your playing time, I wasnt talking about you. F2Pers have their purpose, yes. But at the end of the day, they shouldnt be the happier person in the transaction. If Zen buyers arent slightly happier with the game goods they are getting per dollar, the game dries up.
STO: @AGNT009 Since Dec 2010
Capt. Will Conquest of the U.S.S. Crusader
Get a grip fellas. If you have at least put $100 into this game over the course of your playing time, I wasnt talking about you. F2Pers have their purpose, yes. But at the end of the day, they shouldnt be the happier person in the transaction. If Zen buyers arent slightly happier with the game goods they are getting per dollar, the game dries up.
There are two sides to your argument dude, if F2Pers don't feel they can get their effort's worth in zen they stop buying up Zen from the exchange, and the game dries up.
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I am right there with you!
if theres no dil being sold you would be shocked at how fast the rate will fall.
the only problem is as soon as players start selling dil again the rate will quickly climb.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Then someone will complain that that's not high enough. The cap needs to be increased to 600 ... or 700 ... or 800 ... or 900 ... or 1000. After all, it's only money, right?
That + Sheshar promo event.
I have been meaning to buy a load of zen to take advantage of the current glut. It's a buyer's market now for certain.
I've just been waiting to see how far it will climb...but at the same time thinking it might be a good idea to go ahead and buy now. Even if I only buy in chunks so I can try and get the most dil for my zen.
Eventually, if it ever drops down below the 200 mark, I will consider dumping dilithium back into the exchange market.
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Eventually yes but, until than I have other things that my dilithium can attend to!
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should it not be the other way around though as more dil gets into game the price "should" go down. I would understand prices now if there was not so many ways to get dil but there is so many ways to get it. if you wanna blame some one for the way it is blame the greed in people ingame.
As more dilithium enters the game the price of dilithium goes down, since its value also goes down. More units of dilithium chasing after the Zen on the exchange, which still costs the same amount of real world money to buy.
Never seen anyone complain about the price of Zen being too low...
When I started playing the game, the forum was awash in DOOM threads about how the economy was collapsing/game would die/etc.... because the exchange price had dropped below 300. And if they didn't do something to prop up the value of zen, the Big Money Whales who Support The Game would stop buying zen (to exchange for Dil, to run Fleet projects) and the game would fail.
So, yeah.
The price of dilithium on the exchange IS going down, that is why the numbers on the exchange get higher and higher... the number is the value of dil related to zen, as the value of dil goes down the number goes up because it takes more dil to buy zen as the value of zen is more "Fixed".
Which is exactly what I posted. The person that I replied to seemed to be saying that the prices that we're seeing, and the general trend of Zen becoming more expensive, in regard to how much dilithium it costs, were not not to be expected, given the expanding sources of dilithium. My reply was that it is, in fact, exactly what is to be expected. Dilithium right now is behaving like gold or silver right after a new major deposit is discovered, more supply to meet the essentially same demand means the price per unit goes down.
Then I only had 3 toons, now I have 12 toons, 9 of which are KDF, so dilithium it much easier to come by than when I started.
Wasn't it higher than that when the Vesta class starships were released? But if I'm honest players have been spoilt by the low prices of below 100 per point, but its a player driven market and with the larger fleets having completed their fleet holdings there's likely a large surplus of dilithium floating around.
Speaking of which, I'm surprised their hasn't been a conspiracy theory about the manipulation of the dil exchange by some higher power.
I believe you are right, it was higher, and I agree people have been spoiled. To me it is mostly motivation to upgrade my gear to Mk XIV UR on the 6 toons I do more than just dilithium grind on. That is a Hugh Dil sink, especially since I'm going Epic on my spire consoles.
Still I ran out of Dil yesterday, but was able to buy all 9 pilot ships with dilithium on launch.
The Price is a pinch, but it is just economics
Since folks love my economic suggestions, what would be wrong with Cryptic charging dil for spec points and pick your own crafting modifiers? Set the dil floor to 200 and roof at 400, then the zen buyers will never feel ripped off, and the dil grinders wont be too taken advantage of either. Ive always felt the equation should be shifted in favor of the zen BUYERS, you know, the ones that actually PAY the bills around here. F2Pers have it too easy when they are crying about taking another swim in their Scrooge McDuck dilithium money bin.
If the price is getting up near 300 again, I may finally drop some zen on the market here soon.
Capt. Will Conquest of the U.S.S. Crusader
Don't buy, price will go down eventually.
From the other side of the medal, Zen sellers are more advantaged. So not everybody is loosing in this free market.
Or it could simply be no one is bothering to buy Zen at all for any purpose in the same quantities as previously.
I know that certainly describes myself and my circle of friends who have completely disengaged in the wake of T6 release after T6 release and the decisions regarding ships for the summer event; and I say this as someone who upgraded to lifer and bought the Delta Rising bundle in, what I thought was, good faith of integrating these changes into the game overall.
Frankly, I'd be happy if the dilithium market disappeared in its entirety coupled with an instant halving to quartering of all Zen costs in the game.
The game would be unquestionably better off for it rather than having ot artificially inflate the costs of things just to manage the free acquisition.
When you examine the sheer number of economical and gameplay problems that stem directly and indirectly by having to account for the dilithium exchange as a construct, it's staggering.
Not a popular viewpoint I'm sure but I cannot say I'm remotely concerned or unhappy about the dilithium exchange being marginalized.
Umm, wow dude...
F2Pers have it too easy? I'd love to hear your explanation on that...
F2P players usually don't pay $$ when the next big thing hits and renders all their 'shinies' obsolete, they usually have to grind themselves into a stupor just to maintain competitveness with the P2W crowd. Who ironically can just drop some green and buy their way into getting high end gear/equipment without having to actually earn it in-game.
As for the Dil exchange, again F2P players are hardly at an advantage here, they have to go through and grind out all the dil they need to get Zen, where as a P2W player just opens his/her wallet and pulls out a credit card...
Yeah, you're right, F2Pers have it waaaaaay to easy, let's drive up the zen price even higher to make those freeloading jerks pay through the nose just for the privilage of standing in the shadows of the mighty P2W player.*
*That was sarcasm in case you didn't notice.
Eidt: Apologies for being offensive there, I just got really upset with the 'F2Pers have it too easy' comment...
Yes, it' unfair to class F2P'ers as freeloaders...... F2P'ers are not freeloaders, they are entry level grunt employees whose value is defined solely by the relative need that exists for any dilithium they might want to sell to those who are opening their wallets and actually paying for the game to keep running.
If dumping the equivalent of 3-4 LTS (at least) into the game over the course of the the last two years makes me a F2P freeloader, well then f*** you and the broken down garbage scow you flew in on,...
Just because F2P players don't sport some forum badge or advertise how much/often they spend if any, doe NOT make us freeloaders. We trade our Dilithium, EC, time for the Zen or gear we buy. Without us, those zen someone paid money for would still be sitting there with no need or impetus to buy more.
And remember, sometimes, people spend a lot more than you think. Just because they don't do it all at once and don't brag about it in public, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
"There... are... four... lights!" ~Jean Luc Picard
I actually have nothing against F2P players, I was just commenting on someone else's post on how F2P players have things too easy...
Capt. Will Conquest of the U.S.S. Crusader
There are two sides to your argument dude, if F2Pers don't feel they can get their effort's worth in zen they stop buying up Zen from the exchange, and the game dries up.