Anyone notice the Odyssey Uniforms during the Dominion War?

iconians

If you talk to Kurland and Loriss and play back the recording of the signing of the treaty between the Dominion and Federation/KDF/Romulan Alliance on DS9, you'll notice all the Federation Officers there are wearing the 2409 uniforms.

And... we wonder why Loriss believes we're lying to her...

warmaker001b

iconians wrote: »

If you talk to Kurland and Loriss and play back the recording of the signing of the treaty between the Dominion and Federation/KDF/Romulan Alliance on DS9, you'll notice all the Federation Officers there are wearing the 2409 uniforms.

And... we wonder why Loriss believes we're lying to her...

Yeah, I noticed that on playthrough with my Delta Noobs. They need to be wearing the First Contact style uniforms.

nynik

Also very common to have 1 npc of the group of starfleet officers wearing the 2409 in the Devidian 22nd century missions.

turbomagnus

That's like the crew of the Rapier in the mission of the same name - the mission takes place in 2409, but the ship was missing for six, seven years - meaning it disappeared in 2402 - when the uniform standard was Sierra 2 (and Antares 1, for some)... Except they too are now wearing the Odyssey uniform, which didn't become the 'standard' Starfleet uniform until 2410.

rattler2

turbomagnus wrote: »

That's like the crew of the Rapier in the mission of the same name - the mission takes place in 2409, but the ship was missing for six, seven years - meaning it disappeared in 2402 - when the uniform standard was Sierra 2 (and Antares 1, for some)... Except they too are now wearing the Odyssey uniform, which didn't become the 'standard' Starfleet uniform until 2410.

Actually... I think the Odyssey was retconned in as the standard uniform for 2409 at least, considering by default our characters wear that when first made unless we change it, Captain Taggart wears one, Admiral Quinn wears one in 2409...

angrytarg

rattler2 wrote: »

Actually... I think the Odyssey was retconned in as the standard uniform for 2409 at least, considering by default our characters wear that when first made unless we change it, Captain Taggart wears one, Admiral Quinn wears one in 2409...

This. The old uniforms are still in the game so they don't take anything away from people but they are essentially like the Typhoon and Jupiter starships - overhauled and effectively phased out one by one. Although it would be neat if that scene in question would feature the TNG movie uniforms and the Rapier crew would wear the AGT uniforms

leviathan99

angrytarg wrote: »

This. The old uniforms are still in the game so they don't take anything away from people but they are essentially like the Typhoon and Jupiter starships - overhauled and effectively phased out one by one. Although it would be neat if that scene in question would feature the TNG movie uniforms and the Rapier crew would wear the AGT uniforms

That's actually an EXCELLENT catch if we treat the AGT uniforms as an historical uniform worn after the First Contact uniforms and before the Odyssey.

giannicampanella

rattler2 wrote: »

Actually... I think the Odyssey was retconned in as the standard uniform for 2409 at least, considering by default our characters wear that when first made unless we change it, Captain Taggart wears one, Admiral Quinn wears one in 2409...

It's not retconned! There was a reanimating augment virus that caused the organic fibers of some Odyssey uniforms to resemble Sierra uniforms for a while. This is why previous uniforms did not use organic fibers since the TOS era, when, in fact, Starfleet textiles were algae-based.

turbomagnus

You have a point, Rattler - after all, the Devs manually adjusted the individualised uniforms like the captain of the U.S.S. Gold (can't remember her name....) from their previous appearance to the Odyssey, despite only appearing in missions in 2409 (characters like Quinn, Kurland and such who appear in both 2409 and 2410 aren't, in my opinion, good subjects on the matter since their character are has to match their current appearance, not 'historical' appearance).

If nothing else, maybe the Antares and Sierra uniforms didn't last very long, the near-complete removal of the Dress Code a failed experiment by Starfleet like The Great Experiment (Excelsior Transwarp) and blue-on-blue LCARS... becoming simply a mere footnote in history like Captain Decker of the Enterprise...

giannicampanella

^ Among other notable failed experiments like children allowed aboard the safest place in the universe, all-black planets, and cummerbunds for all.

angrytarg

stoleviathan99 wrote: »

That's actually an EXCELLENT catch if we treat the AGT uniforms as an historical uniform worn after the First Contact uniforms and before the Odyssey.

I would. Sure, they were alternate timelines that were ended whenever they came up but we have ships from the alternate timelines in the game and the Oddyssey combadge is also tailored after the AGT one. Plus the oddyssey unfiroms do incorporate the AGT look rather strongly. They bring the TNG show and movie, VOY and AGT uniform into one design.

angrytarg

reyan01 wrote: »

To be fair though, the uniforms referred to as the AGT uniforms appeared in three seperate alternate timelines; namely:

All Good Things (TNG)
The Visitor (DS9) - this episode had the uniform in use at least until 2422
Endgame (Voyager)

That's three seperate alternate timelines, with no connection to each other, in which that uniform was in use. I, therefore, choose to beleive that it was used by Starfleet at some point.

Good observation, although in the show they were used to visually indicate "this doesn't really happen" which is what I meant Still, like them (maybe my favourite Star Trek uniform, even) and I would welcome that nod in STO

turbomagnus

Not to mention that in VOY "Timeless" the AGT combadge was used even though one of the previous uniforms (Dominion War) were still worn, and Kim and Chakotay (and The Doctor) wiped that timeline from existance...


Either way, though, the 'Uniform Progression Chart' shown here;
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/6003273
Even if one removes the Sierra uniform and says that it's been Odyssey the whole time of the game, shows that the 2390's AGT uniform does seem to have been an actual Starfleet uniform in the game's timeline...

(Which still says to me that the Rapier crew should probably be wearing AGT uniforms, not Odyssey, but that's just my pet peeve...)