Not too bothered about it, but yes it was another lie. Found it in my overflow bag.
Like I said, not bothered, it was basically a low damage turret easily replaced.
So just commenting that Cryptic did not keep their word on this.
Again, you're implying that they made some kind of promise that people could keep their Omni arrays.
If they were going to do that, they would have let everybody have them. It's not their fault if people take a statement in the patch notes as a promise to let people continue to exploit a bug.
They made a statement in the release notes that proves to be inaccurate in one point. But the point remains that we were ALWAYS told that we could only equip one at a time and the notes correctly note that you're not going to be able to slot more than one going forward.
Again, miscommunication or inaccuracy does not automatically equate to lies and broken promises. Since there is no way for anyone outside of Cryptic to know what actually happened here, I think levelling an accusation of lying is rather harsh.
If you want to criticise them for having inaccurate patch notes, that's a fair critique and I wouldn't stand in your way.
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Again, you're implying that they made some kind of promise that people could keep their Omni arrays.
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I never said anyone made a promise.
A statement was made however:
"Players that have more than one currently equipped will not have their items removed, but will be unable to replace them if removed for any reason."
I have edited my response to remove the word 'lie'. However it was an untruthful statement: players have had the items unequiped.
Not really why you are laying it on thick with the defense; they said something that is not true, its not the first time and wont be the last; its expected of Cryptic (Free Bug upgrade T6 anyone?)
I have edited my response to remove the word 'lie'. However it was an untruthful statement: players have had the items unequiped.
Not really why you are laying it on thick with the defense; they said something that is not true, its not the first time and wont be the last; its expected of Cryptic.
Its no big deal. Just another brick in the wall.
A statement in relation to a game exploit, doesn't mean a great deal if they get it wrong - it was fixed properly, accept it...
You're trying to defend cheating, plain and simple... Not to mention trying to turn it back on Cryptic has them being liars...
You were cheating, yet Cryptic are the liars? Give us all a break... :rolleyes:
A statement in relation to a game exploit, doesn't mean a great deal if they get it wrong - it was fixed properly, accept it...
You're trying to defend cheating, plain and simple... Not to mention trying to turn it back on Cryptic has them being liars...
You were cheating, yet Cryptic are the liars? Give us all a break... :rolleyes:
Erm no I was not cheating. In fact until tonight I did not even know it was an issue. Believe it or not I played sphere of influence more than once and had more than one Omni beam.
If it is an exploit, Cryptic have certainly never labeled it as such, and like I said, until this thread and the patch notes, I have never heard it being branded as 'cheating'.
Its easy to be high and mighty and brush with wide strokes, but my comments have only reflected Cryptics own patch notes: at no point did they indicate 2 x ancient omni's where cheating or an exploit, they said it was not intended, but that old weapon placements would be unaffected.
Anyhow, like I said, I am not bothered: its easily replaced with a turret or torp - the damage was low and the only reason I had it was to conjunct with anti proton damage.
I wish there was a way to have two Omnidirectional Beams for all the Energy types, I'd love to be able to equip two Omni Phaser Beam arrays on my aft, after all you can still equip the Standard Omni and the Ancient Omni, I think other energy types should have that capability too mostly because I refuse to use anything other than Phaser on my Federation Characters.
I wish there was a way to have two Omnidirectional Beams for all the Energy types, I'd love to be able to equip two Omni Phaser Beam arrays on my aft, after all you can still equip the Standard Omni and the Ancient Omni, I think other energy types should have that capability too mostly because I refuse to use anything other than Phaser on my Federation Characters.
You could go for the Borg cutting beam - it does not count towards weapon power reduction like other weapons
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Furthermore, I find the indignation over this to be wildly overblown. By your own admission, you knew this was not working as intended and shouldn't be surprised to find that it no longer works the way you want it to.
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Sooner or later you were going to end up unequipping that stuff anyhow and not be able to slot them together again anyway.
You need to tone down the angry rhetoric before this thread gets closed altogether.
Wholeheartedly agreed. People around here get way to worked up over what amounts to minor changes. Especially when they should have and could have seen those changes coming from a lightyear away,...
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Erm no I was not cheating. In fact until tonight I did not even know it was an issue. Believe it or not I played sphere of influence more than once and had more than one Omni beam.
If it is an exploit, Cryptic have certainly never labeled it as such, and like I said, until this thread and the patch notes, I have never heard it being branded as 'cheating'.
Its easy to be high and mighty and brush with wide strokes, but my comments have only reflected Cryptics own patch notes: at no point did they indicate 2 x ancient omni's where cheating or an exploit, they said it was not intended, but that old weapon placements would be unaffected.
Anyhow, like I said, I am not bothered: its easily replaced with a turret or torp - the damage was low and the only reason I had it was to conjunct with anti proton damage.
Then why are you so vehemently making something out of an error in the patch notes?
If it in no way impacted you, why make such a fuss that Cryptic have lied - or not told the whole truth?
Or is it more about pointing your finger and going "Nyah-nyah! Cryptic got it wrong!"?
As for whether it was ever announced as an exploit, it doesn't need to be named as an exploit to be one...
It was never intended game mechanics and those who utilitsed the bug gained an advantage, by it's very definition, whether Cryptic labelled it as such or not, it was an exploit... There's no two ways about it...
I would never use an exploit. I had 2 ancient Omni's upgraded one - could not afford to upgrade the other. Never occurred to me that it was deemed an 'exploit'.
I try to have all forward firing weapons, Cutting beam + Omni.
I had cutting beam + Omni + ancient omni x 2 = all rear firing weps (the rears never did much anyway)
This is the first time I have ever heard of x 2 ancient omni being called an exploit.
Its no big deal for me I'll just stick a turret or torp on the back, but a bit confused why Cryptic said it would not be removed, and then it was.
At no point was it called an 'exploit'...
It should have occurred you. When hovering your mouse over it the tooltip clearly states that you can only equip 1 of that item. It's your fault for not paying attention.
It should have occurred you. When hovering your mouse over it the tooltip clearly states that you can only equip 1 of that item. It's your fault for not paying attention.
Yes, indeed. I did not hover the mouse for long enough, and it is my fault. There is no disputing the matter.
Does not really change the statement Cryptic made however (not that it matters, its a common occurrence, they make mistakes, we make mistakes, what is good for the goose is good for the gander yes?)
Thanks for the comment though
Perhaps we can all learn something from this; not calling people exploiters/cheaters due to genuine mistakes, and not calling Cryptic liars; likewise for genuine mistakes.
I have certainly learned something today; mistakes happen, and its easy to jump to conclusions and call people names.
I wish there was a way to have two Omnidirectional Beams for all the Energy types, I'd love to be able to equip two Omni Phaser Beam arrays on my aft, after all you can still equip the Standard Omni and the Ancient Omni, I think other energy types should have that capability too mostly because I refuse to use anything other than Phaser on my Federation Characters.
The Reputation Beam Weapons should have all been Omnis, sharing the same Omni class as the Ancient.
That'd be 1 Phaser (CC), 1 Disruptor (CC), 1 Plasma (Rom), 1 Polaron (Delta), 1 Proton (Dyson), and now 1 AP (Iconian).
To further pad it, let the unique Mission Reward weapons also be Omnis, since their mods are usually TRIBBLE anyway, so [Acc][Arc] would be preferable to [Acc]x2 or [Acc][Dmg]. the Retro-Phaser, the Plasma-Disruptor, Piercing Tetryon, Phased Tetryon, Polarized Tetryon, Caustic Plasma, and Dominion Polaron.
Throw them all into the same category as the Ancient Omni; so you can still go 2 Beam Omnis. You just now have more choices.
The Reputation Beam Weapons should have all been Omnis, sharing the same Omni class as the Ancient.
That'd be 1 Phaser (CC), 1 Disruptor (CC), 1 Plasma (Rom), 1 Polaron (Delta), 1 Proton (Dyson), and now 1 AP (Iconian).
To further pad it, let the unique Mission Reward weapons also be Omnis, since their mods are usually TRIBBLE anyway, so [Acc][Arc] would be preferable to [Acc]x2 or [Acc][Dmg]. the Retro-Phaser, the Plasma-Disruptor, Piercing Tetryon, Phased Tetryon, Polarized Tetryon, Caustic Plasma, and Dominion Polaron.
Throw them all into the same category as the Ancient Omni; so you can still go 2 Beam Omnis. You just now have more choices.
Actually... this is a pretty good idea. Get all weapon types 2 omni options, not just the AP. It'd get more flavour in the other energy types again. Still love my Plasma but it'd be nice to have 2 360's for that too now.
What they described was more a "known issue" than a feature. And apparently something conspired that made the known issue away - maybe a last minute fix, a loadout validity check that the devs had forgotten about, the right planets in alignment.
Also, the item was unequipped, not removed. They could just as well have been auto-deleting extraneous beams, and they definitely didn't do that.
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...at least have the decency to tell the truth in your patch notes, and not outright "lie" to us.
Are you new here? :rolleyes:
Hell, the patch notes for this week claimed they "fixed" Blood of Ancients since it wasn't refreshing the weekly upgrade reward properly (news to me). For me anyway, it worked fine the last two weeks but now it won't give the upgrade this week.
Leave it to Cryptic...
UPDATE: Apparently now the upgrade is showing in the mission rewards, but wasn't earlier today (post-patch), so hotfix I guess? Still...
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Again, you're implying that they made some kind of promise that people could keep their Omni arrays.
...Again, miscommunication or inaccuracy does not automatically equate to lies and broken promises.
Cryptic screws up by allowing multiple Ancient Omni's to be slotted in the first place and for so long.
Cryptic screws up by saying that players will not have their extra Omni removed, yet people log in to find them removed and in their Overflow bag.
And you and other WK's get all Spock about it when players voice their disgust with it:
"A lie?"
"...an error..."
I've never even slotted the thing on any of my captains but let's get real here. Despite you and the others trying to turn this into some "teachable moment", the fact remains that what was stated on the patch notes was turned into a falsehood by what actually happened in-game. End of. The players had nothing to do with the TRIBBLE-up yet it's their fault anyways for being ticked off about yet another half-azzed Cryptic error. Love it. lol
Seriously, some of you are as bad as the "entitled whiners" you keep trying to school.
They stated intent not to remove them...so it becomes a test of what reasonable steps they needed to take to ensure that some system did not end up removing them. Which doesn't get into them lying...
VD, question:
OP had an vanilla Mk XII Ancient Omnibeam that got booted off his Qib. There's now an empty weapon slot. OP has stated in another thread (and in our fleet chat) that he intends to replace it with a turret to get the benefit of the trait.
The OP has also explained he uses SS3 and BFAW3. So, given the use of SS3, wouldn't his effective DPS increase because he'd be able to use a Mk XIV turret with better mods?
People around here are waaayy too quick to throw around the whole accusation stuff.
Tell that Cryptic team that. We all got accused as exploiters even though the bug was reported on a test server. And innocent people were hit by the fall out.
Furthermore, I find the indignation over this to be wildly overblown. By your own admission, you knew this was not working as intended and shouldn't be surprised to find that it no longer works the way you want it to.
Rather than thinking "oh well, it was good while it lasted" you're immediately in here blasting them over what is really a very minor mistake in their release notes. You got your hopes up that you'd be able to keep your good thing going and your hopes got dashed. That's no reason to start ranting about it.
Sooner or later you were going to end up unequipping that stuff anyhow and not be able to slot them together again anyway.
This is all a good points, even if written in the most threatening and condescending way possible.
I had a ship setup that had 2x ancient Omnis. Both were there when I logged in. No issues on my end, until I removed them to dismiss the ship without thinking about the ship set first to screenshot. Needed the space to make room for the new Pilot ships I wanted to test and the Phantom was expendable.
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I was hoping for the wrong items to be unslotted automatically, so, I'm glad it works that way. The miscommunication part becomes a minor issue compared to how good the benefit is.
Tell that Cryptic team that. We all got accused as exploiters even though the bug was reported on a test server. And innocent people were hit by the fall out.
Sure, that's what those "innocents" claim, but Cryptic is simply silent on the matter who was hit or not hit.
And ultimately, ever exploit is put in by the devs first. It's not like the program does allow anything other than what was programmed for it - but what was programmed for it was not necessarily what it was intended to do.
Thieves don't get to say "but he could have bought a better lock that I couldn't crack" as their defence. Or do they get to say "Hey, the door was standing open, of course I thought I could take the TV." Not even if they call out "Hey, your door is open" first.
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Again, you're implying that they made some kind of promise that people could keep their Omni arrays.
If they were going to do that, they would have let everybody have them. It's not their fault if people take a statement in the patch notes as a promise to let people continue to exploit a bug.
They made a statement in the release notes that proves to be inaccurate in one point. But the point remains that we were ALWAYS told that we could only equip one at a time and the notes correctly note that you're not going to be able to slot more than one going forward.
Again, miscommunication or inaccuracy does not automatically equate to lies and broken promises. Since there is no way for anyone outside of Cryptic to know what actually happened here, I think levelling an accusation of lying is rather harsh.
If you want to criticise them for having inaccurate patch notes, that's a fair critique and I wouldn't stand in your way.
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I never said anyone made a promise.
A statement was made however:
I have edited my response to remove the word 'lie'. However it was an untruthful statement: players have had the items unequiped.
Not really why you are laying it on thick with the defense; they said something that is not true, its not the first time and wont be the last; its expected of Cryptic (Free Bug upgrade T6 anyone?)
Its no big deal. Just another brick in the wall.
A statement in relation to a game exploit, doesn't mean a great deal if they get it wrong - it was fixed properly, accept it...
You're trying to defend cheating, plain and simple... Not to mention trying to turn it back on Cryptic has them being liars...
You were cheating, yet Cryptic are the liars? Give us all a break... :rolleyes:
Erm no I was not cheating. In fact until tonight I did not even know it was an issue. Believe it or not I played sphere of influence more than once and had more than one Omni beam.
If it is an exploit, Cryptic have certainly never labeled it as such, and like I said, until this thread and the patch notes, I have never heard it being branded as 'cheating'.
Its easy to be high and mighty and brush with wide strokes, but my comments have only reflected Cryptics own patch notes: at no point did they indicate 2 x ancient omni's where cheating or an exploit, they said it was not intended, but that old weapon placements would be unaffected.
Anyhow, like I said, I am not bothered: its easily replaced with a turret or torp - the damage was low and the only reason I had it was to conjunct with anti proton damage.
You could go for the Borg cutting beam - it does not count towards weapon power reduction like other weapons
Agreed. Quite disheartening to see among a group of supposed` adults.
Wholeheartedly agreed. People around here get way to worked up over what amounts to minor changes. Especially when they should have and could have seen those changes coming from a lightyear away,...
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Then why are you so vehemently making something out of an error in the patch notes?
If it in no way impacted you, why make such a fuss that Cryptic have lied - or not told the whole truth?
Or is it more about pointing your finger and going "Nyah-nyah! Cryptic got it wrong!"?
As for whether it was ever announced as an exploit, it doesn't need to be named as an exploit to be one...
It was never intended game mechanics and those who utilitsed the bug gained an advantage, by it's very definition, whether Cryptic labelled it as such or not, it was an exploit... There's no two ways about it...
It should have occurred you. When hovering your mouse over it the tooltip clearly states that you can only equip 1 of that item. It's your fault for not paying attention.
I think the only vehement person here is you mate. Get over it. I have.
Yes, indeed. I did not hover the mouse for long enough, and it is my fault. There is no disputing the matter.
Does not really change the statement Cryptic made however (not that it matters, its a common occurrence, they make mistakes, we make mistakes, what is good for the goose is good for the gander yes?)
Thanks for the comment though
Perhaps we can all learn something from this; not calling people exploiters/cheaters due to genuine mistakes, and not calling Cryptic liars; likewise for genuine mistakes.
I have certainly learned something today; mistakes happen, and its easy to jump to conclusions and call people names.
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Ah-ha... Nice deflection...
Yes I am an everyday rapier. I hope this concludes our discussion.
Good luck to you.
That'd be 1 Phaser (CC), 1 Disruptor (CC), 1 Plasma (Rom), 1 Polaron (Delta), 1 Proton (Dyson), and now 1 AP (Iconian).
To further pad it, let the unique Mission Reward weapons also be Omnis, since their mods are usually TRIBBLE anyway, so [Acc][Arc] would be preferable to [Acc]x2 or [Acc][Dmg]. the Retro-Phaser, the Plasma-Disruptor, Piercing Tetryon, Phased Tetryon, Polarized Tetryon, Caustic Plasma, and Dominion Polaron.
Throw them all into the same category as the Ancient Omni; so you can still go 2 Beam Omnis. You just now have more choices.
Actually... this is a pretty good idea. Get all weapon types 2 omni options, not just the AP. It'd get more flavour in the other energy types again. Still love my Plasma but it'd be nice to have 2 360's for that too now.
Also, the item was unequipped, not removed. They could just as well have been auto-deleting extraneous beams, and they definitely didn't do that.
Hell, the patch notes for this week claimed they "fixed" Blood of Ancients since it wasn't refreshing the weekly upgrade reward properly (news to me). For me anyway, it worked fine the last two weeks but now it won't give the upgrade this week.
Leave it to Cryptic...
UPDATE: Apparently now the upgrade is showing in the mission rewards, but wasn't earlier today (post-patch), so hotfix I guess? Still...
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Cryptic screws up by allowing multiple Ancient Omni's to be slotted in the first place and for so long.
Cryptic screws up by saying that players will not have their extra Omni removed, yet people log in to find them removed and in their Overflow bag.
And you and other WK's get all Spock about it when players voice their disgust with it:
"A lie?"
"...an error..."
I've never even slotted the thing on any of my captains but let's get real here. Despite you and the others trying to turn this into some "teachable moment", the fact remains that what was stated on the patch notes was turned into a falsehood by what actually happened in-game. End of. The players had nothing to do with the TRIBBLE-up yet it's their fault anyways for being ticked off about yet another half-azzed Cryptic error. Love it. lol
Seriously, some of you are as bad as the "entitled whiners" you keep trying to school.
VD, question:
OP had an vanilla Mk XII Ancient Omnibeam that got booted off his Qib. There's now an empty weapon slot. OP has stated in another thread (and in our fleet chat) that he intends to replace it with a turret to get the benefit of the trait.
The OP has also explained he uses SS3 and BFAW3. So, given the use of SS3, wouldn't his effective DPS increase because he'd be able to use a Mk XIV turret with better mods?
COMMUNICATION!!!!
That is quite possible. And probably most likely.
Tell that Cryptic team that. We all got accused as exploiters even though the bug was reported on a test server. And innocent people were hit by the fall out.
But it just further highlights the lack of communication internally at Cryptic.
This is all a good points, even if written in the most threatening and condescending way possible.
Sigh. Must be nice to have the power of being able to hold threats like this over people's heads.
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And ultimately, ever exploit is put in by the devs first. It's not like the program does allow anything other than what was programmed for it - but what was programmed for it was not necessarily what it was intended to do.
Thieves don't get to say "but he could have bought a better lock that I couldn't crack" as their defence. Or do they get to say "Hey, the door was standing open, of course I thought I could take the TV." Not even if they call out "Hey, your door is open" first.