First off, surprised at the inclusion of the Cardassian, Dominion,Borg and Undine icons on the image.
I can only find one icon I am not familiar with, the one to the left of "UNITE".
As for the Krenim, it is already established that the Vaadwaur wiped them out at the beginning of the Delta Rising Expansion to prevent us using the Time-weapon technologies.
There are only 3 remaining known entities dealing with time left:
1) Q-Continuum, which has no stake in it and probably will not interfere.
2) Prophets, again, nonlinear entities that do not concern themselves with our issues.
3) Guardian of Forever, most likely plot point, but how it would be used is tricky. We've always had to fix whatever was changed by using it.
A'dranna's track record of judgement isn't the best - she pushed for the Gateway activation in the first place despite objections from the engineering team (Malem, wasn't that the head engineer's name?), she was ready to put the Republic at odds with both the Federation and Klingon Empire over the Journet Gateway, if I remember what was found in Storage Facility Z98 correctly she's the one that the Solanae and Iconians used to sabotage the Gateway activation...
And this 'Tale' gives me a bad feeling of what might happen if she ever discovers the Gateway planet and the Guardian of Forever - as we've seen in "City on the Edge of Forever" (TOS), "Yesteryear" (TAS) and "City on the Edge of Never" and "Past Imperfect" (STO - Fed), the Guardian has the power to do exactly what A'dranna (and Taris, for that matter) wants... and scientist or not, she doesn't really seem like the type to think through the repercussions...
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^Words that every player should keep in mind, especially whenever there's a problem with the game...
Wait a second, didnt Captain Paris say that the Gateway on New Romulus was destroyed during Blood of the Ancients? So why are the ruins still being held and how can she still be doing research?
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As for the Krenim, it is already established that the Vaadwaur wiped them out at the beginning of the Delta Rising Expansion to prevent us using the Time-weapon technologies.
Actually, I don't think it said "wiped out." Just something like "conquered." Plus, "Dust to Dust" mentioned that Voyager was in Vaadwaur-controlled Krenim space... so it isn't out of the question, still.
I'm more concerned with how Kestrel and the writing team would handle the Krenim, given the "magic reset button" Brannon Braga hit at the end of "Year of Hell." Sure, the audience knows about the Krenim and their capabilities, but the prime universe timeline should not. Voyager's only encounter that stuck was the 5-minute conversation that steered them away from Krenim space completely.
That is the symbol for the old Gorn Confederation (Hegemony?), which doesn't exist now - unless it is there to represent those Gorn who are part of a separatist movement to reinstate the Hegemony on Nimbus III - who I murdered mercilessly as a Starfleet officer late last night.
Oh, lovely! Ms Overcondifent "I will work" Scientist thinks she can do it? Don't let her anywhere near anything important or we're going to become a homeless people again. First Hobus, then A'dranna. :eek:
First off, surprised at the inclusion of the Cardassian, Dominion,Borg and Undine icons on the image.
I can only find one icon I am not familiar with, the one to the left of "UNITE".
There is no Undine logo in the poster. And the logo you're referring to is the logo of the Gorn Confederation which doesn't make sense since:
1/ It's a logo from the game ST: Starfleet Command
2/ In STO, the cofnederation is called the Gorn Hegemony and they already have a LOGO in STO
3/ Said STO logo is used in another recent propaganda poster.
Also, I already mentioned that in another thread, but whoever thinks an alliance with the Borg is a good idea is a fool.
Last time we allied with the Borg, we antagonized the only species immune to their assimilation and able to curbstomp them, forced them back to their own space, which allowed the Borg to continue assimilating more species.
That is the symbol for the old Gorn Confederation (Hegemony?), which doesn't exist now - unless it is there to represent those Gorn who are part of a separatist movement to reinstate the Hegemony on Nimbus III - who I murdered mercilessly as a Starfleet officer late last night.
@Krenim: They were defeated by the Vaadwaur, not wiped out. Krenim space is supposedly vast. The Vaadwaur may have Iconian tech, but they were likely not able to wipe the Krenim completely out in a matter of weeks - while also waging war against all other major powers of the region, including the Borg and the Voth.
That scenario is almost as ludicrous as Russia invading all of Europe and the US at once... you know, like in these ultra realistic CoD games. :rolleyes:
Man, I like A'dranna and I am thinking here 'So I guess we used up the old Taris and needed a new one?'
Just for how this sort of thing usually goes. Not that the pursuit of knowledge is a bad goal or I think they're implying it here, just that A'dranna's going to forget safeguards.
At least she's aware she's on dangerous ground, so better than Taris there.
(Also, glad the gateway complex is confirmed to have survived. I worked hard to grind that rep).
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@Krenim: They were defeated by the Vaadwaur, not wiped out. Krenim space is supposedly vast. The Vaadwaur may have Iconian tech, but they were likely not able to wipe the Krenim completely out in a matter of weeks - while also waging war against all other major powers of the region, including the Borg and the Voth.
That scenario is almost as ludicrous as Russia invading all of Europe and the US at once... you know, like in these ultra realistic CoD games. :rolleyes:
Even ignoring likelihood and what'd be ludicrous, if I recall correctly the description for Zahl explicitly confirms the survival of at least some Krenim, in the form of refugees.
And quite dangerous, which makes it even more interesting
What if we could create gateways of our own to get our ships into battle, or open gateways into nebulas to act as shields against the Heralds' solar flares? How about emergency shelters for civilians hidden away?
Admiral Jegan Terel, who used to lead the Science department in the Dyson sphere and oversee all the efforts of adapting Dyson sphere technology, will be ready to assist A'dranna.
Sidenote: adding these gateways to the game would be a nice opportunity for an Exploration revamp
Part of the reason I suspect the Guardian involves the Delta Recruit objective for "City on the Edge of Never", where it refers to the Iconians as the 'First Children', most likely the first creations of the Preservers, and comments that they were/are not permitted time travel because of their attitudes, basically.
The fact that the Guardian seems to be a Preserver artifact, combined with the Iconians' targeting the only other major known Preserver artifact (The Archive), and has a relationship to time which is what A'dranna's 'Tale of War' talks about makes me think it will play some part in The Iconian War...
"If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross; but it's not for the timid." -- Q, TNG: "Q-Who?"
^Words that every player should keep in mind, especially whenever there's a problem with the game...
A'dranna? Seriously? I have just lost any remaining respect I had for Romulan Republic security or counter-intelligence. In Sphere of Influence you find Solenae records about how A'dranna was captured and mind probed. Is a probe the only thing that was done? How can you be sure she was not altered, programmed, etc?
The woman is compromised, and any intelligence service worthy of the name would see to it she did not have any security clearance whatsoever.
First Sela's escape, now "Miss Iconia". Outlook is pretty grim...
It makes me immensely curious as to what's going to happen in future episodes. And somewhat hopeful. We've had a few time-travel stories so far, but mostly they've been about stopping others from changing the past or reversing changes that have already been made.
This suggests we might end up doing something a little different in the future.
I feel like I want to plunge my hands into time itself, shape and bend it to my will, change all that's happened and all that will happen but I can't. The technology to do that simply doesn't exist.
Ah, so this is likely why our Delta recruits' future selves are first seen in what appears to be the New Romulus gateway chamber.
This is an MMO, not a Star Trek episode simulator. That would make for a terrible game.
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Will she go down Taris' route (use of Iconian tech)? OR B'vat's (attempt to use time)?
Or will she prove resistant enough to the forbidden and truly see it used for something beneficial?
Hidden shelters seems like one valid idea, or channelling their flares into some other zone.
BTW Trendy, it seems the story is missing something after "How about emergency shelters for civilians hidden". It just jumps to the next line.
I can only find one icon I am not familiar with, the one to the left of "UNITE".
As for the Krenim, it is already established that the Vaadwaur wiped them out at the beginning of the Delta Rising Expansion to prevent us using the Time-weapon technologies.
There are only 3 remaining known entities dealing with time left:
1) Q-Continuum, which has no stake in it and probably will not interfere.
2) Prophets, again, nonlinear entities that do not concern themselves with our issues.
3) Guardian of Forever, most likely plot point, but how it would be used is tricky. We've always had to fix whatever was changed by using it.
You know things are bad when the wildlife is like "**** this."
A'dranna's track record of judgement isn't the best - she pushed for the Gateway activation in the first place despite objections from the engineering team (Malem, wasn't that the head engineer's name?), she was ready to put the Republic at odds with both the Federation and Klingon Empire over the Journet Gateway, if I remember what was found in Storage Facility Z98 correctly she's the one that the Solanae and Iconians used to sabotage the Gateway activation...
And this 'Tale' gives me a bad feeling of what might happen if she ever discovers the Gateway planet and the Guardian of Forever - as we've seen in "City on the Edge of Forever" (TOS), "Yesteryear" (TAS) and "City on the Edge of Never" and "Past Imperfect" (STO - Fed), the Guardian has the power to do exactly what A'dranna (and Taris, for that matter) wants... and scientist or not, she doesn't really seem like the type to think through the repercussions...
^Words that every player should keep in mind, especially whenever there's a problem with the game...
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No Undine icon there. Clockwise, from upper left:
This is the Undine symbol.
I have a feeling this is leading us into a new story mission. I believe Al "Captain Geko" Riviera has said there are more coming.
Actually, I don't think it said "wiped out." Just something like "conquered." Plus, "Dust to Dust" mentioned that Voyager was in Vaadwaur-controlled Krenim space... so it isn't out of the question, still.
I'm more concerned with how Kestrel and the writing team would handle the Krenim, given the "magic reset button" Brannon Braga hit at the end of "Year of Hell." Sure, the audience knows about the Krenim and their capabilities, but the prime universe timeline should not. Voyager's only encounter that stuck was the 5-minute conversation that steered them away from Krenim space completely.
That is the symbol for the old Gorn Confederation (Hegemony?), which doesn't exist now - unless it is there to represent those Gorn who are part of a separatist movement to reinstate the Hegemony on Nimbus III - who I murdered mercilessly as a Starfleet officer late last night.
There is no Undine logo in the poster. And the logo you're referring to is the logo of the Gorn Confederation which doesn't make sense since:
1/ It's a logo from the game ST: Starfleet Command
2/ In STO, the cofnederation is called the Gorn Hegemony and they already have a LOGO in STO
3/ Said STO logo is used in another recent propaganda poster.
Also, I already mentioned that in another thread, but whoever thinks an alliance with the Borg is a good idea is a fool.
Last time we allied with the Borg, we antagonized the only species immune to their assimilation and able to curbstomp them, forced them back to their own space, which allowed the Borg to continue assimilating more species.
Isn't that the general Gorn symbol in STO?
@Krenim: They were defeated by the Vaadwaur, not wiped out. Krenim space is supposedly vast. The Vaadwaur may have Iconian tech, but they were likely not able to wipe the Krenim completely out in a matter of weeks - while also waging war against all other major powers of the region, including the Borg and the Voth.
That scenario is almost as ludicrous as Russia invading all of Europe and the US at once... you know, like in these ultra realistic CoD games. :rolleyes:
Yep. Realized my error...I thought the Breen emblem was Undine.
Also, found the missing emblem....Memory Beta site says it is Gorn.
Just for how this sort of thing usually goes. Not that the pursuit of knowledge is a bad goal or I think they're implying it here, just that A'dranna's going to forget safeguards.
At least she's aware she's on dangerous ground, so better than Taris there.
(Also, glad the gateway complex is confirmed to have survived. I worked hard to grind that rep).
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Move them in time.... They go insane...Catatonic..
Something using croniton particles as a weapon to create a temporal interruption on the target should do the trick nicely.
Do the heralds have the same vulnerability?
Desperate Romulan scientists worry me.
And quite dangerous, which makes it even more interesting
Admiral Jegan Terel, who used to lead the Science department in the Dyson sphere and oversee all the efforts of adapting Dyson sphere technology, will be ready to assist A'dranna.
Sidenote: adding these gateways to the game would be a nice opportunity for an Exploration revamp
Use your triolic pattern enhancer, it displaces you a second in time, that should do the trick.
The fact that the Guardian seems to be a Preserver artifact, combined with the Iconians' targeting the only other major known Preserver artifact (The Archive), and has a relationship to time which is what A'dranna's 'Tale of War' talks about makes me think it will play some part in The Iconian War...
^Words that every player should keep in mind, especially whenever there's a problem with the game...
dont need time travel or anything like that to kill iconians.
they have chroniton particles in their minds or something right?
so why not just make weapons that destroy chroniton particles...
didnt we have something like that with the temporal lock box?
The woman is compromised, and any intelligence service worthy of the name would see to it she did not have any security clearance whatsoever.
First Sela's escape, now "Miss Iconia". Outlook is pretty grim...
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It makes me immensely curious as to what's going to happen in future episodes. And somewhat hopeful. We've had a few time-travel stories so far, but mostly they've been about stopping others from changing the past or reversing changes that have already been made.
This suggests we might end up doing something a little different in the future.
Ah, so this is likely why our Delta recruits' future selves are first seen in what appears to be the New Romulus gateway chamber.