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These insta-fail objectives in advanced and elite missions gotta go. Beyond madness getting to the 3rd objective in brotherhood and the mission fails. Boom !!, 15 marks and 30 minutes of wait time before you can do it again. I'm about ready to find me another game. I can't take it anymore.
At this point in the game with ALL the Headaches. I don't care if the new T6 defiant/pilot ship has 6/4 weapons, 1.5 shield mod, 17 consoles and 21 boff seats. I'm going mad here.
At this point in the game with ALL the Headaches. I don't care if the new T6 defiant/pilot ship has 6/4 weapons, 1.5 shield mod, 17 consoles and 21 boff seats. I'm going mad here.
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Just chill out. Things area already in motion.
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Before the change, I could handle the Tholians on advanced, now that the change has been made, the Tholians feel like they should be in Elite.
Cryptic still does not get the point the players have been trying to make. Leave the difficulty alone and change ONLY the autofail objectives. They obviously don't want players to actually feel like they can accomplish anything within a reasonable time.
Mark/Reward reduction is how you should be penalised and allow the game to continue.
I do miss the old Borg STF's pre-Delta "war is much more fun when you're WINNING! Defeat makes my wounds ache."
The game generally does not go very well when changes are made fast instead of right.
I agree 100%
Yep, the old STFs...which resulted in this thread: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=262305
Where post #3246 on page 325 (of 349) is where Delta Rising actually happened...
...so we should go back to that, eh? The 325 pages before Delta Rising?
I don't like them either, so there are very few Advanced queues I attempt anymore.
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There are always fore's and against. I found pre-delta stfs more fun than the hit point sponges we have now. Others prefer it.
I like the extra NPC's added to the space missions more to shoot at. Just not the HP and Shields they have.
Examples are the bosses in space Cure/Infected and Khitomer you are more likely to kill the boss ship through shield bleed through (Not plasma doping) than actually knock a shield facing down and make them take direct hits to the hull.
The grass isn't always greener, and if Cryptic are the ones on the other side of the fence you know theres going to be no grass to be green.
Rattler the only thing im positive about cryptic is they will stay the course wont fix anything and continue to scam layer (Like me) of thier money (God i regret my bortasqu pack now MY bad).
But the fact of the matter is if they wanted to fix the STFs they would have done so already since Azures' "Fix" they have had plenty of time to adjust the advanced optionals...they have done nothing.
So until they actually do something i will remain positive the cryptic will not fix anything becuase in thier minds we love the TRIBBLE they keep giving us.
You mean like how they're making gateway to gre' thor advanced easier by lowering the fail condition from 25 ships needing to be saved to just 1 needing to be saved? The change is already on tribble.
and the rest of the STFs?
or is this just for thier new shiney content so players will actually play the advanced version of thier new TRIBBLE.
like it's been said twice before in this thread... It's better to have them take their time and do it right than to do it fast and wrong so we're stuck with an even worse system. You said they won't fix anything and they've fixed 2.
I have a feeling I'm wasting my time replying to you, however...
Comments like that only start fights. Not something we need here.
Anyways... I admit I too am a little anxious for the changes to Advanced queues, but I'm with other people in this thread saying saying that taking their time is better than rushing it and TRIBBLE it up.
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lol completely unconstructive comment. stop baiting.
as for what you actually said, its not uncommon for people to get worked up a lot of people put a lot of money into the game itself, so they become invested and when that investment does not fulfill what you hoped it would then it does become frustrating. Its not just a video game its a "product" and like any product the consumers opinion matters.
though I am wondering about that concerning this particular product lol
Indeed, they shouldn't rush it they should take their time.
However I have to agree with a lot of people, making it harder to negate removing the fail objective is just unreasonable. its already a pain in the TRIBBLE to kill mobs in a decent amount of time (when you don't have enough money/time to fully upgrade).
fun seems to be at a premium in games lately.
If this screws up the metrics and makes Cryptic look bad with their Chinese overlords, they have absolutely no one but themselves to blame. If they are catching flak over this and it has caused their activities to be monitored more closely by the home office, so much the better. Long past time they were forced to answer to someone whom they cannot ignore or b&%%$#&t.
And Azure Nebula's 'optional objective' thing is garbage. The mission constantly breaks and the point value of the spawns is ridiculously random so that all they are are 'taunts' for people. You come in going "We have the ability to do this" and the optionals become impossible from implementation.
Azure was the first misstep that unfortunately will probably pave the way - I sure hope not.
Also, helps if you manage to get a sci officer in there. Not many play sci's on the ground any more it seems.
Also another little tid bit I noticed. The 3rd stage optional, the Orion is a 50/50 shot. Sometimes you autofail if he dies. Sometime you don't.
Guess at some point I should pull my Medics out of Doff duty, dust them off and get back to using them.
My Fed Sci is kind of a medic. Still pointed from way back when Sci's were the best tanks for Cure Applied.
My KDF though. Full on medic.
Forgot to add this. Other than the Orion, Brotherhood ADV is not that hard to complete. I should know it's the only Iconian que I run. And I have 20 datacores. 36,800/60000 rep and 1080 Iconian marks right now.
I wouldn't got that far.
but i would probably admit that I think the reason DR went so weirdly and was made so weirdly was likely due to pressure from "upstairs" to make the game more like the asian market.
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Talk about spoiled and self entitlement. The amount of coordination of teamwork required scales with difficulty.
Dont go to advance or elite nor to STF. Problem solve. Elite is out of your league. In GGE, it took a full 75K+ Channel run to complete it with 7 secs left before failure.
The same thing with Advance. Dont go there if you and your team dont belong there.
This whining of fail objectives sums it up to incompetence and illusory superiority.
Even a player like me, who you call an elitist, who farms for marks dont go to elite all the time unless I know my team can take it. I farm normal and/or advance missions for speed, efficiency and knowing I can solo the STF if you get incompetent teammates.
But you dont see me whining to nerf elite missions.
Well from what I read in the notes on this. They're only removing the auto-fail from ADV. Elite is still do it or fail.
Kinda hard to solo Brotherhood though. With the Two devices, 15 seconds to do them. This one actually takes 2. The rest.. yeah.. solo the hell out of them if you have to.
That's my take on the chages as well. And persionally, I believe that Elite should remain as is to give the top tier a challenge. Advanced should be able to be completed with a decent team, and even a decently geared PUG, thus enabling those of us who are not top tier the ability to get the elite marks like BNPs.
Elite is for the best of the best, and made to challenge them.
Advanced is supposed to be equivelent to the OLD elite, which most of us were able to do just fine.
Normal is, well... baseline just starting the rep grind for the first time.
Advanced in its current incarnation fails at being a stepping stone. Its acting more like a sheer cliff. Some people have advocated for mandatory normal runs or gear score before hitting advanced while forgetting that in order to get some of the gear FOR advanced, you need to do advanced. Their arguments usually come across as elitism and wanting to punish people for how they play.
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Well, if you can't do it advance do it in normal. Or don't go STFs. All these are optional to do. Even going to advance difficulty. Brotherhood isn't the only mission you can get marks nor you are required to do it in adavance to get marks.
The people who are having problems with advance objectives are the ones who refuse to read the objectives and follow it, and those who don't belong in advance difficulty via skill wise. Because by advance people should know buff timings, positioning, what abilities are for what.
Because there are players who can finish advance but cannot finish elite but don't belong to normal which caters to the current advance. The adjustment the Op wants is to cater it for the normal difficulty skilled players or even worse players who don't do teamwork. Because of a player and their teammates is skilled and has teamwork, those players shouldn't have any problems finishng the current advance.
So the question really lies if the one ranting including their teammates about advance objectives really belong to advance or not.
Then there's the people who think they can Leeroy Jenkins everything and win, and the people who don't communicate, and the obvious trolls trying to abuse a fail mechanic for their own amusement while TRIBBLE other people on purpose...
Frankly the fail conditions in Advanced was just asking to be abused, as it is far more accessable to the average player than Elite is.
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Yeah the way it stands it pretty much makes a complete mockery of the queuing system. I decided to revisit pug-ing of CSA.. 3x 1st gate fails followed by 1x 2nd gate fail out of 4 runs. it wasn't from lack of DPS just a lack of common sense from Mr or Mrs 'a n other' and in 3 out of those 4 runs, it was a single player that caused the fail for the remaining 4.. that isn't just irritating, its really quite unfair.
so once again i wont be running advanced, which annoys me greatly! I have a recurring chat bug that makes communication unreliable, preventing me from making fair use of DPS channels such as elite, and the only other option is to repeatedly #pugfail from another players lack of experience, common sense or lack of consideration.
So erm, yeah.. the whine may be strong within myself, but i really do want to play this game beyond just leveling characters, for me, as well as diverse others, this requires progression through the queuing system.