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Should the kdf join the federation?
marcel314
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One year ago, if someone asked me that question i would laughed at him and told him he is crazy.
Well, funny how things have changed.
Right now the kdf is in a pretty bad spot. The devs don't make new stuff like kdf specific episodes/content ( we still don't know for sure if the fek'Ihri are made by the fedaration/section 31, iconians or hur'q ) or science ships because the kdf doesn't generate enough money.
In the other way, new players don't have many reasons to create a kdf toon since the feddies get all the shienes. The fact that lockboxes got consoles of the other factions didn't helped.
Romulans are in a similiar situation. The hype of lor with sing cores, romulan battle cloak, romulan space traits and the scimitar is over and now a lack of new stuff exist too there. There is no full carrier and only one science ship.
When they add cardissians, they will likely share the same fate as the romulans, especially when the devs said that the romulan mini faction will serve as template for all future factions.
Since neither devs are willing to actually support their other factions and nor the players to try something else than the federation which they they knew from the different series, i think the devs should just merge fed and kdf.
That way feds have acces to bird of preys and warbirds and kdf/roms to science ships and ship traits.
*wears fire proof hazard suit and hides inside a bunker*
Well, funny how things have changed.
Right now the kdf is in a pretty bad spot. The devs don't make new stuff like kdf specific episodes/content ( we still don't know for sure if the fek'Ihri are made by the fedaration/section 31, iconians or hur'q ) or science ships because the kdf doesn't generate enough money.
In the other way, new players don't have many reasons to create a kdf toon since the feddies get all the shienes. The fact that lockboxes got consoles of the other factions didn't helped.
Romulans are in a similiar situation. The hype of lor with sing cores, romulan battle cloak, romulan space traits and the scimitar is over and now a lack of new stuff exist too there. There is no full carrier and only one science ship.
When they add cardissians, they will likely share the same fate as the romulans, especially when the devs said that the romulan mini faction will serve as template for all future factions.
Since neither devs are willing to actually support their other factions and nor the players to try something else than the federation which they they knew from the different series, i think the devs should just merge fed and kdf.
That way feds have acces to bird of preys and warbirds and kdf/roms to science ships and ship traits.
*wears fire proof hazard suit and hides inside a bunker*
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The majority of KDF players in STO won't accept it though.
It should.
I would be in support of a Cross-Faction Lockbox, though. The Rewards could include a T6 ship from another Faction, as well as T6 playable species and Boffs. That way a KDF player could get his hands on a T6 Fed Science ship, if he wanted it.
It is one possible future that was also changed when Archer entered it and got knowledge, so it is not certain it will happen. It doesn't really make sense, even.
Anyway, OP, as thecosmic1 said, allies yes but not members. It doesn't make sense for the IP.
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Too bad we don't have an option to let the Undine destroy Quonos in Surface tension, it would greatly improve the game, :rolleyes:
Klingon Empire: you've just joined us. In return for whatever tech you offer, you're getting protection from larger entities that would engulf you and give nothing.
I know who I'd rather join.
Same.
At least as a kdf you can pretend the federation is the federation in the TV show
The Klingons and Federation might eventually amalgamate.. But it's not going to happen in STO.
It taken 5 years to advance the time line a year and a half. And just because the Federation thinks it's a good idea, doesn't mean it is, and doesn't mean Klingons might think so.. And you can consider it a given that the Orion that are part of the empire would tend to be STRONGLY against such an event.
Allied with yes.. Under the same government.. no... not at all....
The federation is not a "unified" culture, and is often rather slow to react to threats (ehem, the Undine). They have an entirely different govermental form then the Klingon..
Though... I suppose if the federation were to take up the empire neo feudel governmental form something might be arranged.... I'm not sure most current federation citizens would be to terribly pleased about some aspect of political infighting between great house, house major's, and house minors.. and this isn't even considering the merchant cartels, association etc.
In it's way Klingon politics is much more free wheeling and chaotic then Federation tastes might be ready for.
Right now, it's not going to happen It simply would be a very bad fit, and frankly would have far to many fans up in arms.. and unless there is some reason to jump the story forward a century or two it's certainly not going to happen in STO.
Try to remember that very few warrior class Klingons die of old age, and senior government officials, tend to end their careers quickly and with blood shed. I just don't think the Federation council is quite ready for the lethality of Klingon politics...
That way, after a certain mission, all players will have new Fleet-related queues that remove Feds and KDF from the mix and replace them with more Imperial Romulans. As well, allow for cross-Fleet visitation and purchase rights.
And further, allow for even more faction-agnostic content that instead just have unique dialogue or Allied-specific optionals (only a Fed-origin, KDF-origin, or RR-origin player can perform a specific task).
The Devs are already on record as having planned KDF-centric content with Fed and RR access in order to allow work on the faction to be done without ignoring their primary moneymaker and the afterthought fraction, and the RR will no doubt be the next one to undergo a similar focus. And on top of that, there hasn't been a faction-specific storyline for a long while now.
So yes, I'd want the KDF to join the Feds, even just as plain text (no fancy mission like Surface Tension). So that I can finally claim the Phantom, Scryer, Dauntless, Scimitar, and Faeht on my KDF alts and the Scimitar and Faeht on my Fed alts, and the Phantom, Eclipse, Qib, Vestas, and Pathfinder on my Rom alts.
Once everyone is special, no one is. And gone will be the faction-disparity access complaints. If KDF gets a new toy, there won't be a need for Fed or Romulan one; Feds and Roms would be able to buy them too. If Roms get a new toy, there won't be a need for a Fed or KDF one; both can buy it too.
The only things that might still be locked behind starting faction choice are faction-specific reward weapons.
There's the dual-citizenship thing for individuals, but en-masse, never.
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Just because Daniels said the Klingons join the Federation does not mean they are simply going to join within STO's timeframe. He said that they joined 'by the 26th century'. Last I checked, even if it does happen, it's only 2410 in the 'current' timeframe of STO. That's still...90 more years or so it could happen in.
And if it did happen? I could imagine the Fed tears reaching to the heavens. Yes I said FED, not Klingon. The 'precious' ESD being filled with countless Klingon warriors, half-naked (of either gender) Orions, Chancellor Jm'pok bringing his best barrels of bloodwine to drink and sing with Admiral Quinn. Fleets of Klingon ships patrolling and working alongside their fellow Federation members, able to FREELY team at long last. I'd imagine the technology sharing, due to being part of the Federation, would also be at an all-time high as well. I'm sure the 'primitive' Klingons would advance a century or more overnight from the 'enlightened' Federation science division.
But I also know it won't happen. Not due to tears from Feds or Klingons, not due to my reasoning above, none of that...It will not happen for one very simple reason:
It would mean actually putting more effort into the Klingon side than they are willing to do.
Not really because Feds would still be around whining for everything the RR has, then the Cardassian and Liberated Borg if/when they come...:P
Remember: Daniels did not know how the fight with the Xindi and the Sphere Builders would turn out. So he told Archer what he knew from HIS perspective, where the Expanse obviously was not destroyed by the end of season 3.
Also as far as STO is concerned the Klingons and the Federation remain seperate into the far future, otherwise they wouldn't both have their own seperate temporal agencies.
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/1024920-season-6-dev-blog-%2329
Inevitably will? Yes
The new Tier 6 ships was a great place to attempt to right the wrongs that have severely crippled the non-Fed factions, and with the very first ship pack they jumped straight back into the hole they dug themselves before.
If they can't (or won't) balance the factions, the only other sane options is to get rid of the factions. Otherwise you just end up with never-ending complaint threads.
The real debate, in my opinion, is fast or slow? Try to easy the players and the story into it, or just rip of that bandaid and hope the QoL improvlement outweighs the intial outrage?
First off the Federation is not all that benevolent as you want to believe. It supresses cultures (Andorian culture is great example) into a McDonadls brand of blandness. It restricts rsearch on the grounds of "Oh it could be a weapon or whatever excuse they care to make."
No I do not want the Klingon Empire to be part of the Politicly Correct gang of control freaks that is the federation.
Sure the Dev's have kept the Klingon faction on the back burner and pretty much reduced the ships to a paint job on Fed stuff. I am for one VERY HAPPY THERE ARE NO REAL SCIENCE SHIPS IN THE KDF! OP misses what the D stands for "DEFENSE" AKA MILITARY not expoloration not research but MILITARY! I for one as a military veteran like this.
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I don't know how serious you are, but why are cultures surpressed? Starfleet is supposed to be uniform service as it incorporates all member worlds and is supposed to be a multi-racial service, but the Federation is, well, a Federation and allows it's memberworlds a great deal of freedom. It is true tht we never saw much besides Starfleet in the shows, but nothing hints at surpressing cultures. I don't say that there are no shady plans going on behind the scenes, that was made clear in various installments of Trek.
But overall, your post reminds me of something...
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Allies sure. Allies today, enemies tomorrow.
For a few reasons.
Klingons, though they can live by the Federation Rules and Regulations, are not prone to do so.They have a simple means of life, really. Gain honor for your house, gain honor for yourself, gain honor for the Empire, and defend that honor with your life. This is not something the Federation likes, it makes them unruly and aggressive at best. Plus they're Conquerers. They see the Federation as a group of people that need to be conquered. And in all the Federation, the only race that they would have any respect for is the Andorians, since they have a society much like their own.
Now stop for a minute and think. Klingons raised in klingon space, in the klingon society. Now, put them in Starfleet Academy the outcome here is simple. You're going to have a whole lot of Klingon Recruits and a lot of dead bodies to clean up. Not very condusive to running an academy.
Worf being the primary example, was he able to control his Klingon heritage... most of the time. But he was raised by humans and taught his Klingon urges were bad. Now think if he had been raised in a klingon household and then went to the academy.
Then we come to the Gorn. The only conquered race in the Empire. They maintain their own society. But as a conquered race have adopted the Klingon ways as well. So see the afore mentioned Klingon outcome here.
Now we're to the other three races that make up the Empire. Orions joined after a treaty was struck. The Letheans and Naussicans joined of their own free will. This again goes back to the Starfleet Rules and Regulations. These three races are made up of Pirates, Brigands, Mercenaries, Criminal Masterminds, Black Market Merchants, Slavers, and generally everything else that the Federation doesn't want. This is a part of their every day, breath it in and breath it out, life. To which Starfleet and the Federation would attempt to enforce the rules and regulations on them. Which would only inspire a war. Because they're not about to give up a way of life that they have known for generations. And for the Orions, even longer.
So I see the KDF joining the Federation about the same time that Earth and ESD get destroyed and the Federation crumbles in to war torn factions.
yes: for the gameplay; i'm tired to wait kdf players in defera, i would like to team with fed players
In warzones such as these they should allow cross-faction teams, like they do with STFs.
Also in my last post I forgot to add. I'm not against adding the other factions races to the C-store. As long as they don't get the racial clothing.
Sorry boys, no LOL
If you want your Orion, roll KDF.
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