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Remember how much effort Cryptic went through to get rid of BO Double tap?

illcadiaillcadia Member Posts: 1,412 Bug Hunter
edited May 2015 in PvP Gameplay
They added it back as a trait in the new lockbox.
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    devorasxdevorasx Member Posts: 693
    edited April 2015
    What comes around, goes around. Yes they would remove double tap, only to give you the offer to pay to have it back.

    Gee, how kind....freaking chickenhawks.
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    nandospcnandospc Member Posts: 1,260 Arc User
    edited April 2015
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    revanindustriesrevanindustries Member Posts: 508 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    I thought the same thing when I saw it lol. Fun fun fun
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    dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    if 2 BOs isn't enough, how bout a lobi store plasma torp that deals plasma damage instead of knetic? now the 2 top DPS energy types got a torp that pairs off with them, isn't that nice.


    10 to many 1 shot stacker, spike damage aid's was not enough for pvp i guess, how bout at least 2 more?


    oh and also the 'new tac, eng, and sci boff skills literally droping from lockboxes' line has been crossed now too.
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    virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Kemocite & [Pla] Plasmatic DBB BO3 + BO1 following the Hyperflux.

    I want to see the video. :D
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    praxi5praxi5 Member Posts: 1,562 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    I can't wait for someone to get a triple BO with the [Over] mod.

    Let's be honest, though. They don't follow their own rules for "balance" or care about what changes were made in the past and why; it's all about that cash grab.
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    bwemobwemo Member Posts: 257 Arc User
    edited April 2015
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    thishorizonthishorizon Member Posts: 1,158
    edited April 2015
    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    Frak this game in the TRIBBLE.

    Good luck guys, I'll be around from time to time just to say hi.

    I've never seen such incompetent development in 20 years of gaming. Hands down laughable.

    Find me on ps4 for fifa15 or mortal kombat, jiromel is the tag. Or search MelB

    also friend me in elite dangerous, cmdr Horizons

    Later doods

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    thishorizonthishorizon Member Posts: 1,158
    edited April 2015
    They frakin took away double tap. And then sell it back to us a year later. Lol.

    I'm literally angry with rage.

    Omg I swear. I'm in an airport bar in Charlotte NC waiting on a flight, read this and laughed out loud so hard I had people asking me if I was ok. Lol.

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    Oh ****e
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    p2wsucksp2wsucks Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    Frak this game in the TRIBBLE.

    Good luck guys, I'll be around from time to time just to say hi.

    I've never seen such incompetent development in 20 years of gaming. Hands down laughable.

    Find me on ps4 for fifa15 or mortal kombat, jiromel is the tag. Or search MelB

    also friend me in elite dangerous, cmdr Horizons

    Later doods

    Have fun kill bad guys.

    Yeah I haven't played since November and only logged on 1x to briefly look around. Been doing DOTA2 of all things for PvP, relax swtor pve. I've seen some pvp on that, so maybe I'll check it out. Queued for the space PvP, but it never popped. Anyways always enjoyed the old fights hope you're enjoying those other games.

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    warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Yeah, very surprised to see the return of BO double tapping. Then seeing it return behind a paywall, well, that wasn't as surprising.

    After all that drama that came about with LOR and the nerfing of BO double tapping to have the dead-space time between those identical tactical abilities, Cryptic brings it back. Unbelievable.

    What's even worse is we were doing those BO double taps back then when BO didn't have guaranteed crits and drained weapons power like it was cool. You needed Marion or relying on clever Weapons Battery use (on a long CD) to make this more feasible.

    But today? BO doesn't drain power and it's guaranteed to crit. Not to mention that even in PVE-land, CritD weapons are the thing, so it's not like there's a shortage of CritD weapons out there to begin with. With that new trait, you don't need marion, you don't need high crit rates. Severity, severity, severity. Accuracy is already very easy to come by. This is going to be worse than the original version of BO double taps.
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    praxi5praxi5 Member Posts: 1,562 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Is there a disconnect between the Dev and the logic behind Double Tap being nerfed and the one who developed this new Trait?

    If so, was it a communications mix up, difference in opinion, or change in development philosophy?

    I want to give them the benefit of the doubt and not just attribute it to them insulting our intelligence and memories and going for the cash grab.
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    scurry5scurry5 Member Posts: 1,554 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Mind=blown. Can they be this painfully obvious/oblivious? I don't think I've seen something that so outright monetizes a former nerf.
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    dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    look, the problem is bort and whoever else is left in systems doesn't pvp, they have no frame of reference on anything that actually mater there. even if they did try to keep pvp in mind when designing things, metrics and test dummies will never tell you what you need to know smoothly introduce something into the meta. literally every god damn addition manages to come up with a new way to be unguardable, uncounterable, 1 shotable, and snowballable when combined with all the other TRIBBLE.

    this is the real reason why pvp is dead, its not any 1 or dozen op things, its that the pvp illiterate are in charge of managing pvp. and thats their bosses fault really, a non pvper should never be put in charge of any game's global balance, STO is perfect example of why this is so.

    the upgrade system, the sliding effectiveness of mk14, tier 6, monetizing every single item and passive slot, pulling 3 or 4 new categories out of your TRIBBLE every year, no pvper in his right mind would have ever introduced so many ruinous and P2W elements into what used to be a fairly air tight and satisfying experience.
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    driveclubfandriveclubfan Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    if 2 BOs isn't enough, how bout a lobi store plasma torp that deals plasma damage instead of knetic? now the 2 top DPS energy types got a torp that pairs off with them, isn't that nice.


    10 to many 1 shot stacker, spike damage aid's was not enough for pvp i guess, how bout at least 2 more?


    oh and also the 'new tac, eng, and sci boff skills literally droping from lockboxes' line has been crossed now too.

    Lol I tried the Crystalline torpedo with a set of antiproton weapons and consoles on a Scimitar. Unbuffed it killed the shield facing and some hull of a tank. You can't resist it through shields lol.
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    jellico1jellico1 Member Posts: 2,719
    edited April 2015
    I wonder if Boris thinks this will give PvE beam users a alternative to BfaW ?

    It makes no sense at all to add more ways to insta kill players in PvP that's whats wrong and what has been wrong with PvP all along

    The logic behind double tap BOs plus the over Mod from crafting might be fun in PvE to play around with but in PvP ?

    It needs a verses player additition to it -50%

    I just skake my head in disbelief
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    Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
    Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng

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    dunkelhelldunkelhell Member Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    deokkent wrote: »
    There is really no reason to be outraged. Y'all knew the reality of PvP state in this game months and months ago.

    ^^totally this!

    The recent f2p history shows across the board that selling power is a bad idea, which leads to power creep, unbalance and p2w.
    We are at a point where it is ridicules, sure one can get everything through game time but the time gate is just not reasonable any more. All the Traits, Lobi Consoles, Doffs and the quality upgrades coupled with the lack of Devs support, Bugs and the balance issues.

    Still all of us come back to this game, it is like this on off relationship with a girl which is trouble but you just can't break up finally..
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    virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    deokkent wrote: »
    There is really no reason to be outraged. Y'all knew the reality of PvP state in this game months and months ago.

    It's like watching somebody fall down a long flight of steps. Sure, they may have broken a bunch of bones before getting to the point they are...but as they keep on falling down the steps and you hear/see that next snap. ;)

    I'm a wee bit surprised not to have seen more about the 5 pets for +250 Perception thing...50 Perception = 1km. If I had a drop of caffeine in me I'd run the lol-numbers on it for somebody sporting either the Jem/Rom Deflector with EPtA with 5 pets out...vs...some of the common Stealth Values folks tend to sport.

    And what are the odds of a Plasmatic dropping some microEWP on a person...

    This box is just so extra special.
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    bobs1111bobs1111 Member Posts: 471 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Whats to complain about anymore.

    Go play a game, any game. Made by developers that don't sell power.

    This game is a sad joke at this point. At least every month or so I get at least one good belly laugh out of them. It makes it worth popping by here now and then to see what the newest punch line is.
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    r5e4w3q2r5e4w3q2 Member Posts: 341 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    if 2 BOs isn't enough, how bout a lobi store plasma torp that deals plasma damage instead of knetic? now the 2 top DPS energy types got a torp that pairs off with them, isn't that nice.


    10 to many 1 shot stacker, spike damage aid's was not enough for pvp i guess, how bout at least 2 more?


    oh and also the 'new tac, eng, and sci boff skills literally droping from lockboxes' line has been crossed now too.

    Double BO trait + Double HY trait + Energy damage torp + HY torp knockback trait for giggles?
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    rmy1081rmy1081 Member Posts: 2,840 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    r5e4w3q2 wrote: »
    Double BO trait + Double HY trait + Energy damage torp + HY torp knockback trait for giggles?

    The Iconian space set (not the weapon set) seems to be giving HY1 as a proc also. I couldn't find it in the description but testing it last night on tribble I got a HY1 almost every 30 seconds by just firing energy weapons. Oh and if you're KDF you can use the t6 raptor trait to keep your opponent from cloaking every time you use BO or THY.
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    bones1970bones1970 Member Posts: 953 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    illcadia wrote: »
    They added it back as a trait in the new lockbox.

    The dubble tap didn't got cryptic $$, this will !!
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    grandpadxxgrandpadxx Member Posts: 342
    edited April 2015
    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    Frak this game in the TRIBBLE.

    Good luck guys, I'll be around from time to time just to say hi.

    I've never seen such incompetent development in 20 years of gaming. Hands down laughable.

    Find me on ps4 for fifa15 or mortal kombat, jiromel is the tag. Or search MelB

    also friend me in elite dangerous, cmdr Horizons

    Later doods

    Have fun kill bad guys.


    +1

    Without words. The Dev'e here are terrible.

    See you in "ED" and maybe in "Dreadnought". :)

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    warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    r5e4w3q2 wrote: »
    Double BO trait + Double HY trait + Energy damage torp + HY torp knockback trait for giggles?


    ANTIPROTONZ
    Double BO Trait + Double HYT Trait off Sheshar + Antiproton Torp + Antiproton DBB + Concentrate Firepower 3

    Concentrate Firepower 3 is a nasty little surprise. Because when it works, it takes that long torpedo reload and you're ready to fire in a second, if even that, with a free HYT1 or another torp ability to throw into the mix. Concentrate Firepower had been improved a lot since Command Spec first released. Ver I & II of this ability suck TRIBBLE but III is a different story.
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    virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Hrmmm...

    Xindi-Insectoid Olaen Heavy Escort Carrier

    Lt Tac/Pilot
    LCdr Sci/Command

    Xindi-Primate Ateleth Dreadnought Cruiser

    Lt Eng/Intel
    LCdr Uni/Command

    Jem'Hadar Strike Ship

    Lt Uni/Command
    LCdr Tac/Intel

    ...wonder what the Summer boat is going to be.
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    thisslerthissler Member Posts: 2,055 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    ANTIPROTONZ
    Double BO Trait + Double HYT Trait off Sheshar + Antiproton Torp + Antiproton DBB + Concentrate Firepower 3

    Concentrate Firepower 3 is a nasty little surprise. Because when it works, it takes that long torpedo reload and you're ready to fire in a second, if even that, with a free HYT1 or another torp ability to throw into the mix. Concentrate Firepower had been improved a lot since Command Spec first released. Ver I & II of this ability suck TRIBBLE but III is a different story.

    STOP TELLING OUR SECRETZ GUYZ!

    Carry on.
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