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The Borg (Collective) and the Undine - my hopes for the Iconian War

wimpomanwimpoman Member Posts: 42 Arc User
The Borg and the Undine, two of the Federation's most deadly enemies - the first has (or had) the capability to wipe out pretty much any species or union of such in the galaxy, and the second very nearly did the same to the Borg.
I really do hope that, when the Iconians invade the Milky Way (or whatever the Klingons call it), that they have to take on everyone in the Milky Way, including those two, and not just us players.


I would imagine that the Undine would find it disgraceful that the Iconians tricked them into killing, essentially, innocent beings and would attempt to right those wrongs. I got the impression from Voy episode "In The Flesh" that they were actually reasonable and honourable.

The Borg would fight because the Iconians threaten their future, both directly and indirectly. When they invade, I can't imagine the Iconians would see the Borg as anything different than just another life form of the Milky Way that needs eradicating. On top of that, the Borg pursue perfection by adding the distinctiveness of other races into the collective, but if the Iconians wipe out all life in the galaxy except the Borg (for whatever reason), there would no longer be other races to add to the collective to pursue perfection.


The enemy of my enemy, and all that. :D
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,669 Community Moderator
    edited April 2015
    The Borg would try to assimilate the Iconians because of their advanced Technology. Not because they view them as a threat and us as potential allies. We've seen how they treat their "Allies" in the past. The moment they've outlived their usefullness, attempt to assimilate.

    The Undine might fight the Iconians out of a need for revenge. Yes they were manipuated, but I get the feeling this particular faction of Undine might not be connected with the group that was reasonable. If they can distinguish between us and the Iconians, then they may be more inclined to fight the Iconians because they were the ones who violated their territory originally. Not us as they were led to believe. If not... I can see the Undine just retreating back into their own territory in Fluidic Space and waiting it out as "It doesn't concern them".
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  • thomaselkinsthomaselkins Member Posts: 575 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    There should be no alliance with the Borg and they should continue to remain a threat to everyone. It's true that they have taken a major beating and aren't really a threat at this particular time, but if they do manage to get their hands on Iconian or Preserver technology they could reemerge as a major threat again. As for the Undine, I don't think they would just go "oops" and return to their realm quietly. They're very aggressive when it comes to defending their territory and it seems like they would turn their attention to the Iconians, once they learned the truth.
  • fauxpasiiifauxpasiii Member Posts: 72 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    My hope for the Iconian war is very simple: that the Alpha quadrant loses. At least initially. Fleets routed, homeworlds captured. Borg unimatrices and Undine ship farms burned away. We end up having to hide in the badlands and use guerrilla tactics to fight our way back and drive them out once and for all over the course of a couple seasons worth of story.
  • senatorvreenaksenatorvreenak Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Honestly I'd love to see the Borg became the ultimate enemy once again, assimilate iconian technology, do away with the queen and go back to being that pure hive mind we knew and loves in Q Who and Best of Both worlds! :D
  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,498 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Isn't it easier to find the location of the Iconians and leak that info to the borg?

    We already know that if they find a location of Omega they'll go after it with everything they've got. Let both sides weaken each other, assist the cooperative to liberate additional borg and clean up after the dust settles.
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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    My hopes for the Iconian War are as follows.

    1: We win.

    2: When the dust settles, we're faced with a united KDF, Romulan, and Federation for the first time since the Dominion War -- with no enemy left to fight.

    3: The story refocuses on our own territory once again. Attention is paid to portions of the established Star Trek universe as the three governments carefully try navigating the political waters to avoid future conflict with one another. Also known as making a lasting peace instead of a temporary peace.

    4: We see stories involving the Orions, the Gorn, Nausicaans, Aenar, Caitians, Obisek's Remans, the Breen, Preservers, the Children of Khan, the Gorn, and every other 'mini-faction' in the game that could use a more personal touch from Cryptic each time the spotlight shines on them.
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  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Borg - Aggressive assimilation to swell their ranks to combat the new threat and assimilate drones of a new (well "new" to them) species and their technologies.

    Undine - All are weak and all shall perish.
  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,164 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    I think once the Undine realise the Iconians are from the Milky Way Galaxy it'll be a case of... "you lot again?!"
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  • welcome2earfwelcome2earf Member Posts: 1,746 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Well it still just "servitor" races fighting us, not *quite* Iconians yet. It seems like we are getting to a Babylon 5-ish type of denouement where there is a MASS alliance formed, Not just the Big Three f/ractions, but the otehr races: Tholians, Vaadwar, Breen, Cardies, Borg, 8472, Kazon....EVRYONE. (Yes, Kazon...let them go in first...lol)

    Perhaps something this big will also finally get the attention of some of the Older "Wildcard" entities? (Q, Trelane, Charlie X, etc....yeah yeah, I don't give a **** about what was put in the novelizations)

    How about some survivors from the time of the Iconians? Wasn't Balok (Tranya Boy) from the "First Federation"? What about any survivors of say, the T'Kon or Promellians (Yes, they were killed off, etc...but rectoning in Star Trek is oft a popular pastime!)

    Anyhow, enough fanboy TRIBBLE. I just hope that there's solid story structure along with the pew-pew.
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  • wimpomanwimpoman Member Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    fauxpasiii wrote: »
    My hope for the Iconian war is very simple: that the Alpha quadrant loses. At least initially. Fleets routed, homeworlds captured. Borg unimatrices and Undine ship farms burned away. We end up having to hide in the badlands and use guerrilla tactics to fight our way back and drive them out once and for all over the course of a couple seasons worth of story.

    That could be interesting.


    iconians wrote: »
    When the dust settles, we're faced with a united KDF, Romulan, and Federation for the first time since the Dominion War -- with no enemy left to fight.

    The birth of STO exploration? :D


    jaguarskx wrote: »
    Borg - Aggressive assimilation to swell their ranks to combat the new threat and assimilate drones of a new (well "new" to them) species and their technologies.

    Undine - All are weak and all shall perish.

    Agreed.
  • apsciliaraapsciliara Member Posts: 247 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    fauxpasiii wrote: »
    My hope for the Iconian war is very simple: that the Alpha quadrant loses. At least initially. Fleets routed, homeworlds captured. Borg unimatrices and Undine ship farms burned away. We end up having to hide in the badlands and use guerrilla tactics to fight our way back and drive them out once and for all over the course of a couple seasons worth of story.

    So the sacrifice is our eyesight, then? Because holy ****, the Badlands make my eyeballs bleed D:
  • foundrelicfoundrelic Member Posts: 1,380 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    I like how everyone forgets the Tholians.

    I'd love to see a temporary alliance with them against the Iconians. I think we can rule out the Dominion, despite the Iconians reticence in taking them on that Vorta we encountered basically told us "You want our help with the Iconians? Tough **** we want nothing to do with that fight."
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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    I suspect we will see more of the Tholians in the near future.

    The reason behind the Tholian's interest in Iconian artifacts has never been explained.

    Nor was it ever revealed who or what the mysterious purple Tholian leader was.

    Or why they love the Crystalline Entity so much.

    ... then again the relationship between the Unimatrix Ships and V'Ger was never explained in STO, either. Plenty of player speculation, but nothing firmly explained.
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