When your Delta Senior sends the message back in time... did any one else notice that we appear to be standing in the Preserver Cave from the Breen Arc?
Wouldn't the Voth have records about what happened? At any rate, this should be good.
Something tells me the Voth' records would be similar to this:
"An emergent culture calling themselves the "Iconians" stole our secret supertechnology and tried to conquer the galaxy. We bombarded their homeworld to stop them in their tracks and abandoned our portal technology to prevent any other race to ever steal it again."
Considering the amount of historic propaganda the Voth base their culture on I wouldn't hope to get any conclusive information out of the Voth, not even out of exiles light Nelen Exil. He just simply wouldn't know the truth.
I'm more interested in what the Undine and Tholian are going to play in this upcoming war. The Undine have been manipulated and they now know this; they don't like people TRIBBLE with them, nor do they welcome intrusion into their space. I also believe that there is more to the Tholian involvement on Mol'rhian than simple exploration; I wouldn't have been surprised if they've been aware of the Iconian threat and are gearing up to defend themselves from it too - maybe even they will come to our aid in time?
Interesting point. The Undine storyline in Delta Rising ended rather abruptly. Didn't feel wrapped up at all. For example Cooper's inexplicable fixation on Tuvok. Since his ship "repurposed" him, we can't be sure if he was controlled by unknown factors at all. And they really hate incursions into their realm.
As for the Tholians, they seem to be interested in aquiring new technologies like the Borg. Also they do stuff Iconians can't do. Tholians seem to be involved in time travel and some people speculate they even might be a civilisation spanning multiple alternate realities. They might have some tricks up their sleeves the Iconians couldn't counter at all.
And judging by Voyager being in Krenim space for the episode "Dust to Dust" and remembering the end of the original episode from the TV show and the Delta Recruitment thing I guess it is save to assume that the Iconian's weakness towards time travel might become rather important. I guess we will see some kind of temporal warfare. And I guess we might have unexpected temporary allies in the form of Undine and Tholians.
What I am most curious about is, TOS also dealt with visitors from the Andromeda Galaxy, the Kelvan empire. They were conquerers, able to send multi-generation-ships to other galaxies (Milky Way was just one of them) to try and find new places to conquer and inhabit, since radiation levels were rising back home in the Andromeda Galaxy and would render the whole galaxy uninhabitable for the Kelvans in approximately 10.000 years. Their tech levels were so advanced they were able to modify the classic Enterprise to fly back to their homeworld in the Andromeda Galaxy in about 300 years time.
I wonder if the Iconians were responsible for the rising radiation levels. I wonder, do the Kelvans fight back on their end or have they been enslaved or destroyed by the Iconians? What about the civilisation creating the androids on Mudd's world? They also were created by a species from the Andromeda Galaxy, but probably an unrelated one to the Kelvans. Then we had the doomsday machine and the Ornithoids. Two more extragalactic visitors of unknown origin. (Not counting the space amoeba since it was of extradimensional origin). TNG also had extragalactic visitors like the Douwd, Kevin Uxbridge, only known member of that species was able to wipe out a whole civilisation in a single moment of rage, while normally being a rather peaceful individual. Also the traveller's species seems to be able to visit other galaxies in the blink of an eye. Voyager introduced the Nacene, another extragalactic species with the ability to live in subspace. I'm wondering how they all relate to the Iconians and if they will interfere or not being seen at all.
When your Delta Senior sends the message back in time... did any one else notice that we appear to be standing in the Preserver Cave from the Breen Arc?
Yes. Since we haven't seen the Preservers since the Breen arc, I was wondering for a while if they'd come into the story. Now the question is, are we there only because that's where the last Delta Recruitment objectives are, or is it more than that?
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
So the Iconian's are coming...Yike's
Time for the good guy's of the T'Kon Empire to come save us and prove that they did not die off from one Supernova after all.
I have an idea, since the Iconians been hiding in the Andromeda galaxy, why don't we just call Capt. Dylan Hunt and tell him to cross-over to STO and give the Iconians "a run for their money" with the Andromeda Ascendant with all it's glory...
"Our history, our past, our present and our future is now forever changed. All we can do is preserve what is left and continue onwards. This is not a surrender nor defeat, we will continue the fight. This is our last hope, our last chance... for victory."
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So the Iconian's are coming...Yike's
Time for the good guy's of the T'Kon Empire to come save us and prove that they did not die off from one Supernova after all.
Funny. I was just thinking the other day about that T'Kon guardian. One lone hologram ( a good guess ) seemed to have a lot of power. Can you imagine how he'd react if he were to learn that the Iconians were responsible for the total destruction of the Empire he served?
And judging by Voyager being in Krenim space for the episode "Dust to Dust" and remembering the end of the original episode from the TV show and the Delta Recruitment thing I guess it is save to assume that the Iconian's weakness towards time travel might become rather important. I guess we will see some kind of temporal warfare. And I guess we might have unexpected temporary allies in the form of Undine and Tholians.
We already are starting to see some of this temporal warfare; i.e. the visit from our future-selves when you create a new "Delta Recruit."
When your Delta Senior sends the message back in time... did any one else notice that we appear to be standing in the Preserver Cave from the Breen Arc?
My Romulan character was in some warehouse building, not a cave...
Funny. I was just thinking the other day about that T'Kon guardian. One lone hologram ( a good guess ) seemed to have a lot of power. Can you imagine how he'd react if he were to learn that the Iconians were responsible for the total destruction of the Empire he served?
The T'Kon were 400,000 years older than the Iconians as well. Didn't the Guardian, or someone else in the episode, imply that other T'Kon "portals" or outposts existed in the galaxy? The Iconians appear old and "scary" but they are hardly the oldest or the most powerful force in the universe. It would be interesting if we could find more of these other cultures, or what's left of them.
I have an idea, since the Iconians been hiding in the Andromeda galaxy, why don't we just call Capt. Dylan Hunt and tell him to cross-over to STO and give the Iconians "a run for their money" with the Andromeda Ascendant with all it's glory...
The idea is definetly fun to think about. I approve it. However, I think Andromeda is set in the future of ST and the Comonwealth already includes the Milkway. So, it do not provides a consistent historyline (although would be really cool to see/play the Andromeda ).
Back on topic, I did not like the art of the Heralds. Specialy the second one remembers too much NPCs of those magic MMO's. It does not combine with a Sci-Fi MMO. The first one is better, but seens more appropriate for champs, not STO.
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Wouldn't the Voth have records about what happened? At any rate, this should be good.
That depends heavily on how active the Iconians were in or near the space occupied by the Voth at the time. The article implies that the Iconians had some infrastructure in the Delta Quadrant, but that the heart of their territory was nearer to Iconia (i.e. the region now occupied by the Romulans, the Federation, and their neighbors).
DAMON CRIP'TIC: "No, cheap mass-produced imitations of your advanced unknowable technology."
ICONIAN LEADER: "HOW DID YOU REVERSE-ENGINEER OUR STUFF--"
DAMON CRIP'TIC: "Hey check this out, for 900 Lobi you can get an Iconian Ubernaught, for 550 you can get an Iconian Pawnagemaster Destroyer, and for 200 you can get a bunch of swag that makes black-fire on all your gear!"
ICONIAN LEADER: "THIS CANNOT BE! WE ARE UNDONE!"
DAMON CRIP'TIC: "So how many keys can I put you down for?"
ICONIAN LEADER: "ALL OF THEM! THE MORTALS CANNOT HAVE ACCESS TO OUR TECHNOLOGY."
DAMON CRIP'TIC: "Keys are 125 ZEN each."
ICONIAN LEADER: "WHAT IN THE NAME OF THE FIRST SUPERNOVA IS 'ZEN?!' "
DAMON CRIP'TIC: "A way to turn money into a means of exchange."
ICONIAN LEADER: "WE EVOLVED PAST THE NEED FOR MON--"
DAMON CRIP'TIC: "EC, Dilth or TRIBBLE, no one gets ZEN for free!"
Remember the preserver obelisk is a library. Perhaps there is a section on iconians, and that's why your future self is there.
The vanguard series deals with alot of the tholian back story, while not canon its interesting.
I think there was also a ds9 book that alluded to the true age of trill society, suggesting it was space fairing in the time of the t'kon empire. I wonder of its possible that there are symbiotes with some memories of the iconians.
And we know we win since 29th century Starfleet ships lend is a hand in temporal ambassador.
As a time traveller, Am I supposed to pack underwear or underwhen?
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Voyager introduced the Nacene, another extragalactic species with the ability to live in subspace. I'm wondering how they all relate to the Iconians and if they will interfere or not being seen at all.
subspace has many layers, when la forge installed his new components including a sensor scan to the ENT-Ds engine, it reached deep into subspace in the layers and found the solanae, it piqued their interest, likely the incursion was also reported to the iconians which may have set plans in motion, so taking people for biological experimentation and study was required to learn about the species and incidentally where these humans were in the universe. since iconia was nearby they probably started building up their war machine since. but the point is that the iconians maybe subspace dwellers these days, but they may have no interest in or have any access to any other subspace layers and the nacene being a subspace being can be completely coincidental. it isn the only lifeform or anomaly to appear in subspace either.
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There have been some recent scholars who have disputed this. They say history is written by the victors, and it is true that 200,000 years ago the races enslaved by the Iconians rose up against their masters and destroyed the Iconian civilization in a cataclysm of fire.
These scholars think history should regard the Iconians more kindly. I say their actions speak louder than any fragments or relics left behind.
Whelp, at least they finally sort of acknowledged Picard's thoughts on the Iconians from the episode they were originally mentioned in. Still kind of disappointed that they seemed to have missed the point of that episode, and I still think it would have been more interesting if it turned out that not all Iconians were arrogant arseholes with god complexes, but eh, I guess I'll have to accept that that's just not the angle they decided to go with.
And I'm afraid this blog still has me confused as to what exactly the Heralds are. They were apparently a species that lived on Iconia, and they have a similar appearance to the Iconian we saw at the end of Surface Tension (one of the Delta Recruit bits seems to imply that was the first and only time we've seen an actual Iconian thus far), but they are not Iconians? Just another genetically engineered servitor race?
"There will never be enough blood to wash away my need for vengeance! A single world...I could destroy a million worlds and it would not be enough! Your existence is an insult to the memory of my people! I will continue my fight, even if I must fight alone!"
And I'm afraid this blog still has me confused as to what exactly the Heralds are. They were apparently a species that lived on Iconia, and they have a similar appearance to the Iconian we saw at the end of Surface Tension (one of the Delta Recruit bits seems to imply that was the first and only time we've seen an actual Iconian thus far), but they are not Iconians? Just another genetically engineered servitor race?
The only thing that really makes "The Herald" resemble an Iconian are their six eyes, but that might just be a trait shared by many different dominant animal species on Iconia. Much like a good number of animals on Earth only have two eyes like humans.
maybe the "Iconian" we saw was a Herald body possessed by an Iconian intellect, that way it was the essence of the Iconian but in the Flesh of one of their servitors.
The only thing that really makes "The Herald" resemble an Iconian are their six eyes, but that might just be a trait shared by many different dominant animal species on Iconia. Much like a good number of animals on Earth only have two eyes like humans.
It's not just the six eyes. They have a very similar physical structure as well. And, again, if they are natives of Iconia, wouldn't that make them...Iconians?
I guess I feel like the Cryptic writers are over-complicating things by insisting the Heralds are a whole separate race, but still have them related to Iconia. I think it's an attempt at story-padding, so they can hype the conflict further down the line by saying, "Well, technically you only fought the Heralds before. NOW, you're finally gonna fight the real Iconians". Which they still could have accomplished in simpler ways, like having the Heralds be the same race as the Iconians but, like, a lower caste, or something, or even just having them be another legitimately and wholly separate race that they genetic designed to be their most powerful servitors.
maybe the "Iconian" we saw was a Herald body possessed by an Iconian intellect, that way it was the essence of the Iconian but in the Flesh of one of their servitors.
An interesting idea, but there hasn't really been any other indication beyond that showing that Iconians can transfer their consciousness like that. And Sela's insistence that Iconians can't time travel due to the make up of their brains leads me to believe that their minds might also be too complicated to body jump, as well.
"There will never be enough blood to wash away my need for vengeance! A single world...I could destroy a million worlds and it would not be enough! Your existence is an insult to the memory of my people! I will continue my fight, even if I must fight alone!"
The Iconian were saw on Qo'nos was tall, svelte, and looked to be as much energy as matter, and some of Sela's comments imply that their biology is heavily energy based with stuff like chronitons in their brains. Heralds look like they're just flesh and blood, so if there's a relation it may be more distant.
That or whatever the Iconians are is an uplifted or ascended form of Herald.
^^^This^^^
Even though Remans weren't related to Romulans, maybe these Heralds are treated by the Iconians the same way the Romulans treated the Remans: second-class citizens, miners, conduit-scrubbers, slaves and meat-shields.
What if the Heralds are held back, kept in the dark, weakened, maybe even genetically modified into an inferior, solid form (or maybe Iconians modified themselves into a superior, energy-based one) just to keep them loyal to their Iconian overlords. Like how the Jem'Hadar were modified and made dependent on the Vorta and the Founders.
Loyal until they would get a taste of that sweet, sweet freedom... :cool:
Whelp, at least they finally sort of acknowledged Picard's thoughts on the Iconians from the episode they were originally mentioned in. Still kind of disappointed that they seemed to have missed the point of that episode, and I still think it would have been more interesting if it turned out that not all Iconians were arrogant arseholes with god complexes, but eh, I guess I'll have to accept that that's just not the angle they decided to go with.
Very true.
I kept hearing Picard's words everytime the Iconians would do something "eeeeeeeeeeviiiiiiiiil".
Maybe the Iconians were a peaceful race, and their mindset simply changed after their homeworld got destroyed? I mean, I'd be pissed too if a bunch of aliens bombed my planet.
The Iconians lost everything: their home, their empire, probably many civilians, relatives and families (I'm sure the Romulans and Remans can relate). I even read there may just be a few left. They are the desperate leftovers of a race, trying to recover everything they once had. To avenge themselves. Hatred that lasts 200.000 years usually doesn't come out of nowhere.:(
Also, we don't actually know if all Iconians are alike, yet. They may be a little more relatable, multifaceted and realistic then we thought. Let's hope for the best...
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Yeah, I noticed this too.
Something tells me the Voth' records would be similar to this:
"An emergent culture calling themselves the "Iconians" stole our secret supertechnology and tried to conquer the galaxy. We bombarded their homeworld to stop them in their tracks and abandoned our portal technology to prevent any other race to ever steal it again."
Considering the amount of historic propaganda the Voth base their culture on I wouldn't hope to get any conclusive information out of the Voth, not even out of exiles light Nelen Exil. He just simply wouldn't know the truth.
Interesting point. The Undine storyline in Delta Rising ended rather abruptly. Didn't feel wrapped up at all. For example Cooper's inexplicable fixation on Tuvok. Since his ship "repurposed" him, we can't be sure if he was controlled by unknown factors at all. And they really hate incursions into their realm.
As for the Tholians, they seem to be interested in aquiring new technologies like the Borg. Also they do stuff Iconians can't do. Tholians seem to be involved in time travel and some people speculate they even might be a civilisation spanning multiple alternate realities. They might have some tricks up their sleeves the Iconians couldn't counter at all.
And judging by Voyager being in Krenim space for the episode "Dust to Dust" and remembering the end of the original episode from the TV show and the Delta Recruitment thing I guess it is save to assume that the Iconian's weakness towards time travel might become rather important. I guess we will see some kind of temporal warfare. And I guess we might have unexpected temporary allies in the form of Undine and Tholians.
What I am most curious about is, TOS also dealt with visitors from the Andromeda Galaxy, the Kelvan empire. They were conquerers, able to send multi-generation-ships to other galaxies (Milky Way was just one of them) to try and find new places to conquer and inhabit, since radiation levels were rising back home in the Andromeda Galaxy and would render the whole galaxy uninhabitable for the Kelvans in approximately 10.000 years. Their tech levels were so advanced they were able to modify the classic Enterprise to fly back to their homeworld in the Andromeda Galaxy in about 300 years time.
I wonder if the Iconians were responsible for the rising radiation levels. I wonder, do the Kelvans fight back on their end or have they been enslaved or destroyed by the Iconians? What about the civilisation creating the androids on Mudd's world? They also were created by a species from the Andromeda Galaxy, but probably an unrelated one to the Kelvans. Then we had the doomsday machine and the Ornithoids. Two more extragalactic visitors of unknown origin. (Not counting the space amoeba since it was of extradimensional origin). TNG also had extragalactic visitors like the Douwd, Kevin Uxbridge, only known member of that species was able to wipe out a whole civilisation in a single moment of rage, while normally being a rather peaceful individual. Also the traveller's species seems to be able to visit other galaxies in the blink of an eye. Voyager introduced the Nacene, another extragalactic species with the ability to live in subspace. I'm wondering how they all relate to the Iconians and if they will interfere or not being seen at all.
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Yes. Since we haven't seen the Preservers since the Breen arc, I was wondering for a while if they'd come into the story. Now the question is, are we there only because that's where the last Delta Recruitment objectives are, or is it more than that?
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
Time for the good guy's of the T'Kon Empire to come save us and prove that they did not die off from one Supernova after all.
"Our history, our past, our present and our future is now forever changed. All we can do is preserve what is left and continue onwards. This is not a surrender nor defeat, we will continue the fight. This is our last hope, our last chance... for victory."
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Star Trek Online: Foundry Storyline Series
Funny. I was just thinking the other day about that T'Kon guardian. One lone hologram ( a good guess ) seemed to have a lot of power. Can you imagine how he'd react if he were to learn that the Iconians were responsible for the total destruction of the Empire he served?
We already are starting to see some of this temporal warfare; i.e. the visit from our future-selves when you create a new "Delta Recruit."
My Romulan character was in some warehouse building, not a cave...
The T'Kon were 400,000 years older than the Iconians as well. Didn't the Guardian, or someone else in the episode, imply that other T'Kon "portals" or outposts existed in the galaxy? The Iconians appear old and "scary" but they are hardly the oldest or the most powerful force in the universe. It would be interesting if we could find more of these other cultures, or what's left of them.
The idea is definetly fun to think about. I approve it. However, I think Andromeda is set in the future of ST and the Comonwealth already includes the Milkway. So, it do not provides a consistent historyline (although would be really cool to see/play the Andromeda
Back on topic, I did not like the art of the Heralds. Specialy the second one remembers too much NPCs of those magic MMO's. It does not combine with a Sci-Fi MMO. The first one is better, but seens more appropriate for champs, not STO.
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The article does seem to imply that the Heralds are to the Iconians as the Vorta are to the Founders.
That depends heavily on how active the Iconians were in or near the space occupied by the Voth at the time. The article implies that the Iconians had some infrastructure in the Delta Quadrant, but that the heart of their territory was nearer to Iconia (i.e. the region now occupied by the Romulans, the Federation, and their neighbors).
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The vanguard series deals with alot of the tholian back story, while not canon its interesting.
I think there was also a ds9 book that alluded to the true age of trill society, suggesting it was space fairing in the time of the t'kon empire. I wonder of its possible that there are symbiotes with some memories of the iconians.
And we know we win since 29th century Starfleet ships lend is a hand in temporal ambassador.
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subspace has many layers, when la forge installed his new components including a sensor scan to the ENT-Ds engine, it reached deep into subspace in the layers and found the solanae, it piqued their interest, likely the incursion was also reported to the iconians which may have set plans in motion, so taking people for biological experimentation and study was required to learn about the species and incidentally where these humans were in the universe. since iconia was nearby they probably started building up their war machine since. but the point is that the iconians maybe subspace dwellers these days, but they may have no interest in or have any access to any other subspace layers and the nacene being a subspace being can be completely coincidental. it isn the only lifeform or anomaly to appear in subspace either.
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Whelp, at least they finally sort of acknowledged Picard's thoughts on the Iconians from the episode they were originally mentioned in. Still kind of disappointed that they seemed to have missed the point of that episode, and I still think it would have been more interesting if it turned out that not all Iconians were arrogant arseholes with god complexes, but eh, I guess I'll have to accept that that's just not the angle they decided to go with.
And I'm afraid this blog still has me confused as to what exactly the Heralds are. They were apparently a species that lived on Iconia, and they have a similar appearance to the Iconian we saw at the end of Surface Tension (one of the Delta Recruit bits seems to imply that was the first and only time we've seen an actual Iconian thus far), but they are not Iconians? Just another genetically engineered servitor race?
The only thing that really makes "The Herald" resemble an Iconian are their six eyes, but that might just be a trait shared by many different dominant animal species on Iconia. Much like a good number of animals on Earth only have two eyes like humans.
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It's not just the six eyes. They have a very similar physical structure as well. And, again, if they are natives of Iconia, wouldn't that make them...Iconians?
I guess I feel like the Cryptic writers are over-complicating things by insisting the Heralds are a whole separate race, but still have them related to Iconia. I think it's an attempt at story-padding, so they can hype the conflict further down the line by saying, "Well, technically you only fought the Heralds before. NOW, you're finally gonna fight the real Iconians". Which they still could have accomplished in simpler ways, like having the Heralds be the same race as the Iconians but, like, a lower caste, or something, or even just having them be another legitimately and wholly separate race that they genetic designed to be their most powerful servitors.
An interesting idea, but there hasn't really been any other indication beyond that showing that Iconians can transfer their consciousness like that. And Sela's insistence that Iconians can't time travel due to the make up of their brains leads me to believe that their minds might also be too complicated to body jump, as well.
^^^This^^^
Even though Remans weren't related to Romulans, maybe these Heralds are treated by the Iconians the same way the Romulans treated the Remans: second-class citizens, miners, conduit-scrubbers, slaves and meat-shields.
What if the Heralds are held back, kept in the dark, weakened, maybe even genetically modified into an inferior, solid form (or maybe Iconians modified themselves into a superior, energy-based one) just to keep them loyal to their Iconian overlords. Like how the Jem'Hadar were modified and made dependent on the Vorta and the Founders.
Loyal until they would get a taste of that sweet, sweet freedom... :cool:
Very true.
I kept hearing Picard's words everytime the Iconians would do something "eeeeeeeeeeviiiiiiiiil".
Maybe the Iconians were a peaceful race, and their mindset simply changed after their homeworld got destroyed? I mean, I'd be pissed too if a bunch of aliens bombed my planet.
The Iconians lost everything: their home, their empire, probably many civilians, relatives and families (I'm sure the Romulans and Remans can relate). I even read there may just be a few left. They are the desperate leftovers of a race, trying to recover everything they once had. To avenge themselves. Hatred that lasts 200.000 years usually doesn't come out of nowhere.:(
Also, we don't actually know if all Iconians are alike, yet. They may be a little more relatable, multifaceted and realistic then we thought. Let's hope for the best...
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