This is just another self serving look how cool I am post from the "wizards" All these type of posts do is poke fun at the devs and then get hanger pets nerfed even more so then these guys jump back into their 100k dps scimitars laughing at everyone else. How bout you wizards stay in Hogwarts polishing each others wands and leave the rest of us alone.
This is just another self serving look how cool I am post from the "wizards" All these type of posts do is poke fun at the devs and then get hanger pets nerfed even more so then these guys jump back into their 100k dps scimitars laughing at everyone else. How bout you wizards stay in Hogwarts polishing each others wands and leave the rest of us alone.
I disagree. Self made challenges can be very entertaining. Have you ever made something or did something and took a picture or recorded a video and showed it off. It not intended to make fun of everyone else but more so out of pride.
To make fun of the community would be asked the devs to make a pet queue in the pvp queue lists where when they hit launch fighters people from that queue spawn instead of the regular pets and claim that it is a way to nerf their op pets. That would be insulting.
No other words than EPIC can be used to describe that run!
We all know the haters are gonna flock on here and continue to hate because you just showed them up.... with your hanger pets.
Oh no! Some of your pets died and, according to many, that is a failure and what makes tanks superior to DPS builds even though those tanks do 19.2 DPS and would take about 7 weeks to destroy a tac cube... but hey, they didn't die right?
I have a feeling that Wait for Pet (WFP) calls will be taken more seriously now :-) Congratulations Wizards!
This is just another self serving look how cool I am post from the "wizards" All these type of posts do is poke fun at the devs and then get hanger pets nerfed even more so then these guys jump back into their 100k dps scimitars laughing at everyone else. How bout you wizards stay in Hogwarts polishing each others wands and leave the rest of us alone.
Personally, I don't think they were poking fun at anyone. I think they were just trying to show off something they were able to do as a group.
This, however, doesn't mean that in the power struggle that the developers in charge of making changes we will not see another unneeded nerf. I am pretty sure we will see more nerfs as this power struggle continues.
Though, the developers in charge are no doubt seeing how this power struggle of theirs is hurting the game. They are starting to do something about the queues (the optional in ANR). I just hope that they are going to actually work to getting them fixed good, and it is in time to save the queues.
The ones that did this video did an awesome job with their builds, and shouldn't be reprimanded because the company is selling power creep, or trying to create a power struggle with ones as creative as this. I say let them have their fun anyway they can still find it in STO. And if this is how they do, then that is cool with me.
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No other words than EPIC can be used to describe that run!
We all know the haters are gonna flock on here and continue to hate because you just showed them up.... with your hanger pets.
Oh no! Some of your pets died and, according to many, that is a failure and what makes tanks superior to DPS builds even though those tanks do 19.2 DPS and would take about 7 weeks to destroy a tac cube... but hey, they didn't die right?
I have a feeling that Wait for Pet (WFP) calls will be taken more seriously now :-) Congratulations Wizards!
Snipey47a
Hey! There are some tanks that still remember how to dps. :P
But yeah. Have fun people.
SCM - Crystal C. (S) - [00:12] DMG(DPS) - @jarvisandalfred: 8.63M(713.16K) - Fed Sci
I disagree. Self made challenges can be very entertaining. Have you ever made something or did something and took a picture or recorded a video and showed it off. It not intended to make fun of everyone else but more so out of pride.
To make fun of the community would be asked the devs to make a pet queue in the pvp queue lists where when they hit launch fighters people from that queue spawn instead of the regular pets and claim that it is a way to nerf their op pets. That would be insulting.
I play a Facebook game called Marvel: Avengers Alliance. One game mechanic is these things called "group bosses". Group bosses are enemies designed to be so tough that a single player CAN'T KO them... yeah well this is accomplished with a timer and making the boss a giant sack of HP. Seriously.... players have around 10k at max level. Group bosses have 400k. And they have stupidly high base stats. So... as a way of challenging myself, I try to KO them anyways. I've actually managed to do it a few times. But it's not easy. The easy way is simply to do 5% damage for your reward and then call it a match. But that's boring to me.
Why don't you guys join some random pug team in some queue other than isa, ksa, csa.
May It be even a ground one.:) I would like to see some real magic.:P
@meimeitoo Notice that the five ships in the queue are two Narcines and three Recluses - no Rom. warbirds. I believe that the warbird you are seeing is from photonic fleet, making it a "pet" and thus following the general idea of the run.
And wow, I wish I had a Narcine now. Prohibitively expensive, unfortunately.
@meimeitoo Notice that the five ships in the queue are two Narcines and three Recluses - no Rom. warbirds. I believe that the warbird you are seeing is from photonic fleet, making it a "pet" and thus following the general idea of the run.
And wow, I wish I had a Narcine now. Prohibitively expensive, unfortunately.
My bad, I stand corrected! Yes, I see it now, it's photonic. Brilliant run!
Made me take out my Aquatic carrier again. I have a feeling we'll see a lot of those, the next few days
That their pets, perform better than 75% of the PUG groups I tend to get stuck with.
Well, maybe not 75% but, definitely 50%!!!
:rolleyes:
Not quite where I would have gone with that. Never been a fan of that kind of broad language. Individuals? Sure, there are individuals which if I'm not careful Trendy's going to knock me about with a bacon wrapped hammer for a few days or longer...but never that broad a scope of thinking that I'm getting stuck with all those folks in a pug. Maybe I'm naive, but I figure most folks are trying and to be honest - that vid demonstrated how even that DPS from the pets was overkill for the content. Folks don't even need to do that much to have a successful ISA run and even nab the Optional...which would have been more where I went with it. For all the folks making excuses that they need oodles and oodles of DPS...they don't even need the DPS from hangar pets to do an ISA run.
Now, mind you, the other bit would be that if me and four other guys like me were to try to do the same thing that they did in the vid...we'd probably fail. They didn't just release the pets and that was that...you could see the positioning, the control, directing the pets...showed some nifty knowledge and ability there even with just pets. So kudos to them for that...
...but honestly, all the pug bashing stuff - just rubs me a bit the wrong way. And odds are, even though they didn't say it - the DPS folks are going to get blamed for it. So the circle will go around and around...meaningless flamewars that go nowhere and aren't good for the game.
Just my 2 EC... and sorry to the guys for the little side bit there, that was definitely pretty nifty.
Was just seeing if you were around mate :-) I knew that would make you surface :-)
Nah, I'm around. The problem is that I'm getting hit with lag on both ends, my ISP and the 'normal' STO lag. Makes it a lot easier to do things that aren't in-game, though I did re-qual for 50k at least the other day.
And I suppose I am incredibly predictable. :P
SCM - Crystal C. (S) - [00:12] DMG(DPS) - @jarvisandalfred: 8.63M(713.16K) - Fed Sci
Why don't you guys join some random pug team in some queue other than isa, ksa, csa.
May It be even a ground one.:) I would like to see some real magic.:P
In that scenario, PuGs will get AFK penalty because they cannot keep up with doing at least 1% of damage. Hence, hate thread/buttheart thread in the forums, which has happened by the way. Just do the search button and search for it in the same General Discussion.
As much as possible Top DPSers avoid PuGs not because they can easily carry it but because they can easily make PuGs get that AFK Penalty.
With regards to the ground, they have all parsed more than 1k+ DPS in NTTE, have done NSDE and recorded. You should know this unless you are just too lazy use the search button.
Not quite where I would have gone with that. Never been a fan of that kind of broad language. Individuals? Sure, there are individuals which if I'm not careful Trendy's going to knock me about with a bacon wrapped hammer for a few days or longer...but never that broad a scope of thinking that I'm getting stuck with all those folks in a pug. Maybe I'm naive, but I figure most folks are trying and to be honest - that vid demonstrated how even that DPS from the pets was overkill for the content. Folks don't even need to do that much to have a successful ISA run and even nab the Optional...which would have been more where I went with it. For all the folks making excuses that they need oodles and oodles of DPS...they don't even need the DPS from hangar pets to do an ISA run.
Now, mind you, the other bit would be that if me and four other guys like me were to try to do the same thing that they did in the vid...we'd probably fail. They didn't just release the pets and that was that...you could see the positioning, the control, directing the pets...showed some nifty knowledge and ability there even with just pets. So kudos to them for that...
...but honestly, all the pug bashing stuff - just rubs me a bit the wrong way. And odds are, even though they didn't say it - the DPS folks are going to get blamed for it. So the circle will go around and around...meaningless flamewars that go nowhere and aren't good for the game.
Just my 2 EC... and sorry to the guys for the little side bit there, that was definitely pretty nifty.
The major reason comments like these come from me, is because I grew up with more challenging games than this during my life.
I go from my first MMORPG with yes, its fair share of trolls/leecher's and, noobs/newbs/terribad player's, to this game which has all of the same, just by about a factor of X100 no joke minimum!!!
This is seriously not an understatement either.
So, when they implement ways to control this issue, all that keeps popping up is complaints about the afk system, complaints that mission difficulty is too hard [when really we all know it isn't], etc., etc., etc.
I've had my fair share of complaints regarding changes but, I get over it and, move on.
I don't go around asking for ridiculous difficulty changes, as to make the game easy enough that I can play blindfolded nor, do I ask for ever increasing ways to grief other's or, even leech off of them while they play!
But, the changes will happen, because from a business stand point of view, even driving these people off, spells a possible loss of possible income for Cryptic so, they give in.
...but honestly, all the pug bashing stuff - just rubs me a bit the wrong way. And odds are, even though they didn't say it - the DPS folks are going to get blamed for it. So the circle will go around and around...meaningless flamewars that go nowhere and aren't good for the game.
Just my 2 EC... and sorry to the guys for the little side bit there, that was definitely pretty nifty.
It's just another case of lack of empathy. Put a label on someone and everything done or said to that person becomes acceptable. On one side you have the casual crowd who judge the "dps crowd" by their worst elements. On the other side the "dps crowd" does mostly the same thing.
As for the flamewars it's just people being people.
No other words than EPIC can be used to describe that run!
We all know the haters are gonna flock on here and continue to hate because you just showed them up.... with your hanger pets.
Oh no! Some of your pets died and, according to many, that is a failure and what makes tanks superior to DPS builds even though those tanks do 19.2 DPS and would take about 7 weeks to destroy a tac cube... but hey, they didn't die right?
I have a feeling that Wait for Pet (WFP) calls will be taken more seriously now :-) Congratulations Wizards!
Snipey47a
Yeah. Sad part is, though, that he's probably right. A certain lead Dev will take it personal again, feeling mocked at, and issue a new round of nerfing that will hurt everyone but those top players. Has got nothing to do with 'haters are gonna hate.'
The entire increase in difficulty of the Advanced queues was due to this same sense -- on the Devs' end -- of being 'in competion' with the top 5 players. That needs to stop. No more with the 'Anything you show us can, and will, be used against you!'
There should be an atmosphere where people can freely post vids like these, without there being repercussions, aka mass nerfings. Just wait for it.
I seriously doubt that they are going to nerf anyone or buff the mission due to this video. This is an advance mission, not an elite. All that will happen is when elite does finally arrive that it will be harder. They really do need to finish off the queues.
Ive been in a hsn run where the mission itself took about the same amount of time as the mission briefing at the start. You can't judge that based on that difficulty level.
in some queue other than isa, ksa, csa. ... I would like to see some real magic.:P
Unfortunately a lot of newer space maps have been miserably time-gated by cryptic on purpose to limit earnable rewards. The time it takes to do such missions is less dictated by the players performance then. The classic borg maps feel developed in a time where fun seemed to have been the main goal to aim for and where players capabilities werent limited by any pre-settled timers.
Im just afraid that cryptic has a hard time to release an elite version of isa kasa and csa because good groups like the op demonstrate that the earnable rewards would be basically limitless. Almost feels like an angry child reaction forcing players to get their elite currencies elsewhere like this.
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Impressive. But the other Aquarian carrier was directly attacking the enemy several times during the video and somebody even called in fleet support (the Typhoon did a LOT of damage).
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That their pets, perform better than 75% of the PUG groups I tend to get stuck with.
Well, maybe not 75% but, definitely 50%!!!
:rolleyes:
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And this is why they must add a hangar bay to everything.
I disagree. Self made challenges can be very entertaining. Have you ever made something or did something and took a picture or recorded a video and showed it off. It not intended to make fun of everyone else but more so out of pride.
To make fun of the community would be asked the devs to make a pet queue in the pvp queue lists where when they hit launch fighters people from that queue spawn instead of the regular pets and claim that it is a way to nerf their op pets. That would be insulting.
Lol
Step 1:Unplug/turn off keyboard
:eek::D:P
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
No other words than EPIC can be used to describe that run!
We all know the haters are gonna flock on here and continue to hate because you just showed them up.... with your hanger pets.
Oh no! Some of your pets died and, according to many, that is a failure and what makes tanks superior to DPS builds even though those tanks do 19.2 DPS and would take about 7 weeks to destroy a tac cube... but hey, they didn't die right?
I have a feeling that Wait for Pet (WFP) calls will be taken more seriously now :-) Congratulations Wizards!
Snipey47a
Personally, I don't think they were poking fun at anyone. I think they were just trying to show off something they were able to do as a group.
This, however, doesn't mean that in the power struggle that the developers in charge of making changes we will not see another unneeded nerf. I am pretty sure we will see more nerfs as this power struggle continues.
Though, the developers in charge are no doubt seeing how this power struggle of theirs is hurting the game. They are starting to do something about the queues (the optional in ANR). I just hope that they are going to actually work to getting them fixed good, and it is in time to save the queues.
The ones that did this video did an awesome job with their builds, and shouldn't be reprimanded because the company is selling power creep, or trying to create a power struggle with ones as creative as this. I say let them have their fun anyway they can still find it in STO. And if this is how they do, then that is cool with me.
Hey! There are some tanks that still remember how to dps. :P
But yeah. Have fun people.
SCM - Hive (S) - [02:31] DMG(DPS) - @jarvisandalfred: 30.62M(204.66K) - Fed Sci
Tacs are overrated.
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I did see a Fleet Ark'if going in and out of cloak, firing regularly. Still an impressive performance.
May It be even a ground one.:) I would like to see some real magic.:P
Upon closer examination, it wasn't a Fleet Ark'if, I think, but a similar Rom bird. Probably the idea was to have that ship draw aggro.
And wow, I wish I had a Narcine now. Prohibitively expensive, unfortunately.
My bad, I stand corrected! Yes, I see it now, it's photonic. Brilliant run!
Made me take out my Aquatic carrier again. I have a feeling we'll see a lot of those, the next few days
Was just seeing if you were around mate :-) I knew that would make you surface :-)
Not quite where I would have gone with that. Never been a fan of that kind of broad language. Individuals? Sure, there are individuals which if I'm not careful Trendy's going to knock me about with a bacon wrapped hammer for a few days or longer...but never that broad a scope of thinking that I'm getting stuck with all those folks in a pug. Maybe I'm naive, but I figure most folks are trying and to be honest - that vid demonstrated how even that DPS from the pets was overkill for the content. Folks don't even need to do that much to have a successful ISA run and even nab the Optional...which would have been more where I went with it. For all the folks making excuses that they need oodles and oodles of DPS...they don't even need the DPS from hangar pets to do an ISA run.
Now, mind you, the other bit would be that if me and four other guys like me were to try to do the same thing that they did in the vid...we'd probably fail. They didn't just release the pets and that was that...you could see the positioning, the control, directing the pets...showed some nifty knowledge and ability there even with just pets. So kudos to them for that...
...but honestly, all the pug bashing stuff - just rubs me a bit the wrong way. And odds are, even though they didn't say it - the DPS folks are going to get blamed for it. So the circle will go around and around...meaningless flamewars that go nowhere and aren't good for the game.
Just my 2 EC... and sorry to the guys for the little side bit there, that was definitely pretty nifty.
Nah, I'm around. The problem is that I'm getting hit with lag on both ends, my ISP and the 'normal' STO lag. Makes it a lot easier to do things that aren't in-game, though I did re-qual for 50k at least the other day.
And I suppose I am incredibly predictable. :P
SCM - Hive (S) - [02:31] DMG(DPS) - @jarvisandalfred: 30.62M(204.66K) - Fed Sci
Tacs are overrated.
Game's best wiki
Build questions? Look here!
In that scenario, PuGs will get AFK penalty because they cannot keep up with doing at least 1% of damage. Hence, hate thread/buttheart thread in the forums, which has happened by the way. Just do the search button and search for it in the same General Discussion.
As much as possible Top DPSers avoid PuGs not because they can easily carry it but because they can easily make PuGs get that AFK Penalty.
With regards to the ground, they have all parsed more than 1k+ DPS in NTTE, have done NSDE and recorded. You should know this unless you are just too lazy use the search button.
In short, they have done it already.
The major reason comments like these come from me, is because I grew up with more challenging games than this during my life.
I go from my first MMORPG with yes, its fair share of trolls/leecher's and, noobs/newbs/terribad player's, to this game which has all of the same, just by about a factor of X100 no joke minimum!!!
This is seriously not an understatement either.
So, when they implement ways to control this issue, all that keeps popping up is complaints about the afk system, complaints that mission difficulty is too hard [when really we all know it isn't], etc., etc., etc.
I've had my fair share of complaints regarding changes but, I get over it and, move on.
I don't go around asking for ridiculous difficulty changes, as to make the game easy enough that I can play blindfolded nor, do I ask for ever increasing ways to grief other's or, even leech off of them while they play!
But, the changes will happen, because from a business stand point of view, even driving these people off, spells a possible loss of possible income for Cryptic so, they give in.
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
It's just another case of lack of empathy. Put a label on someone and everything done or said to that person becomes acceptable. On one side you have the casual crowd who judge the "dps crowd" by their worst elements. On the other side the "dps crowd" does mostly the same thing.
As for the flamewars it's just people being people.
Yeah. Sad part is, though, that he's probably right. A certain lead Dev will take it personal again, feeling mocked at, and issue a new round of nerfing that will hurt everyone but those top players. Has got nothing to do with 'haters are gonna hate.'
The entire increase in difficulty of the Advanced queues was due to this same sense -- on the Devs' end -- of being 'in competion' with the top 5 players. That needs to stop. No more with the 'Anything you show us can, and will, be used against you!'
There should be an atmosphere where people can freely post vids like these, without there being repercussions, aka mass nerfings. Just wait for it.
Ive been in a hsn run where the mission itself took about the same amount of time as the mission briefing at the start. You can't judge that based on that difficulty level.
Unfortunately a lot of newer space maps have been miserably time-gated by cryptic on purpose to limit earnable rewards. The time it takes to do such missions is less dictated by the players performance then. The classic borg maps feel developed in a time where fun seemed to have been the main goal to aim for and where players capabilities werent limited by any pre-settled timers.
Im just afraid that cryptic has a hard time to release an elite version of isa kasa and csa because good groups like the op demonstrate that the earnable rewards would be basically limitless. Almost feels like an angry child reaction forcing players to get their elite currencies elsewhere like this.
Looking for a fun PvE fleet? Join us at Omega Combat Division today.