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Noteable t5 ships that should get a t6 retrofit
xuel
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Just wondering what t5 ships should get a t6 retrofit (can not be a t5 ship that is already a retrofit). And what is the reason behind why that class of ship should receive such a upgrade.
Odyssey - It is the class of ship that has the current Federation Flagship - Enterprise-F.
Odyssey - It is the class of ship that has the current Federation Flagship - Enterprise-F.
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Instead it should be all the canon Enterprise versions from the NX on to the Enterprise E just so this game can be worth the title it bears.
But to be honest, I've lost my passion on this subject. I've reached the point where it just doesn't matter anymore (likely because I really like my TAC Command Ship).
How is it a failed design? If anything is a failed design in STO it's the Galaxy class...now that's a failboat.
Sounds like another T6 NX and Conny post thinly veiled in Oddy hate...
Personal hate on my part. I brought the silly bundle and it never lived up to its promise (the consoles which could have been something special ended up useless). Plus It moved like frozen jello. Double plus it was quickly followed by better options.
It's not thin at all, I thought I put it on rather thickly... I need to work on that.
Oh, one more thing. I dislike the NX and the Enterprise D more than the Oddy, but fair is fair and a Star Trek game should have them for the players to play at the end game.
What is fair or unfair about playing a NX or Connie? Starfleet is probably one of the least nostalgic entities in the quadrant...they constantly are trying to build bigger better things...including moving on from ships like the NX and Connie.
I've played multiple Star Trek games and I don't remember a single one including those ship except where they were era appropriate except in the case where one mods them in.
Ignoring the fact that they can't be added in per CBS no one has ever given me any real argument for them other than *Nostalgia Rulez!*
Starfleet not nostalgic? Hell, the Akira could be the NX's twin sister. But yeah. People play a Star Trek video game chiefly to play the Star Trek ship(s) they know and love from the shows. Much more so at least than the chance to play some star wars fans latest cobbled together monstrosity that doesn't look at all like it belongs in Starfleet.
The technology is basically irrelevant too. If a 22nd century T'varo can kick TRIBBLE and take names at end game it makes no sense why a 22nd century NX or 23rd century Connie can't as well. Heck, the Excel is nearly as old as the Connie and it's significantly more powerful than the Galaxy despite having much older tech. That makes no sense. At that point any semblance of "sense" has been chucked out the window and you might better just go for broke and let people play what they enjoy.
Hey, don't forget my K'tinga. It's even older than the NX if you believe your eyes while watching Enterprise.
The only reason for reason for any T5 ship to get retrofitted to T6*at all* comes down to nostalgia. And if you're going to be nostalgic, be nostalgic for the canon ships from the show.
2) KDF Carriers like the Voquv or the Felhiri one
3) Veteran ships. Even if we have to buy them
Every once in a blue moon militaries will find an excellent piece of equipment that holds up well over time.
Example:
B-52 Bomber has served for decades and still kicks butt.
The Iowa class battleship was designed and built during WWII and wasn't decommissioned until the 1990's.
Now these things served well but they are the exception not the rule... Did every ship from WWII serve for 50 years? Hell no! Most were decommissioned before Korea!
My point is, the Excelsior is the exception not the rule. Therefore, it is not a valid point of argument for a T5-6 Connie or such. Same goes for the T'Varo... Every navy has one or two. Klingons are a little different so I won't go in to that because it's irrelevant, they aren't Starfleet.
Apple, meet orange.
The truth here is the US at the end of WWII had a huge fleet. Far more than it could maintain in peace time as was true of nearly all military hardware. So it had to be downsized vastly.
A good deal of it found its way overseas where they serve other nations for decades. There are still C-47 in service as but one example, and the General Belgrano (Argentina) was one ship sold overseas- it was sunk while in active service in 1982, three years short of 4 decades later.
The real U.S.S. Enterprise was just decommissioned, after 5 decades of service. She may have continued in use if not for the vase expense of refitting her 8 reactors.
The 1911 pistol in the US army stills serves in active special forces units, a design over a century old.
The list of exceptions is so long that it's really the rule. And if anything, the trend in military hardware is towards every increasing life spans.
2. All other T5 3+ Bundle ships - Even the hated ones such as the Dysons. Instant T6 Sci ships for Roms and KDF in the short term. As well, they can be spec'd into certain Specializations, or given low level UniSpec hybrid seats so that players can pick and choose what variant they want to use with whatever Specialization.
Because really; most of the work is already done. T5U brings them to near-T6F levels: they already have the scaling, the Masteries, and everything but a T6 Rank 5 Mastery Trait and a Hybrid Specialist Seat or two. Giving them UniSpec Hybrid seats guarantees more purchases, since unlike regular individual C-Store ships, they will never have a Fleet version. So charging 35 USD would be more palatable due to the advantage of being able to use any Specialization, but all at the lower levels (excluding the Flagships; which would be the sole exceptions).
Aside from that, they just have to update the consoles with a modernized bonus that's a lot more beneficial, and would warrant actual keeping of the consoles, similar to the Command Ship Console Bonuses. Tweak some of the consoles themselves; such as allowing both the Aquarius and Odyssey Saucer to separate at the same time (and with even a bit better AI) on the Odyssey for example. Better yet, build some of those capabilities into the ships themselves, and give them entirely new consoles.
Lastly, add a new material skin or two if necessary, and some alternate hull designs (mainly to the Odyssey and Bortasqu').
An extra option they can do with the Flagships is give them a special slot (equivalent to a Secondary Deflector Slot as a unique equip) that allows them to gain an ability like that of a Specialized ship; so for example; a separate Specialist Console (sell them individually in the C-Store for another 500 Zen each) slot that allows a T6 Odyssey or Bortasqu or Scimitar to have Intel Scan, or Command Inspiration, or whatever the Specialized Pilot ships will get, or any future Specialized Ship ability to come. This further extends their value as a Flagship, makes them a solid endgame ship until T7, and the modules individual costs already make up for the increased capability of the Flagships. Assuming 3500 Zen for one ship, that's 4000 Zen if just one ship and one Specialist Console, or 6500 for one Faction Flagship bundle and 1 Specialist console. More based on any other Specialist Consoles bought.
1. T6 Hegh'ta Heavy BoP Retrofit
2. T6 Ha'nom Science Warbird Retrofit
B'rel Bird of Prey
2. T5 3 ship bundles
3. Iconic TV ships (defiant, galaxy, etc etc...and umm...CONNIE?!)
+ purchaseble universal spec upgrade for universal boff slots
Interested in Role Playing? Join the 12th Fleet Science division!
also.....a seperate inv slot for spacesuits........!!!!!!!!
That argument may have worked if the Akira model wasn't designed many years before the NX...if anything the NX was designed to look like the Akira...
There were people who always felt the T'varo was out of place and possibly from the future, seeing as how bad of shaped the Romulans were in TOS, they needed Klingon assistance...though not proven it's possible.
The Excelsior...well lets look at the Connie, in the matter of what 50 years...the ship had received a major overhaul yet even when it was rather fresh they were building it's successors...the Miranda was a much more efficient workhorse to build and the Excelsior was a superior Cruiser.
Both were seen in the TNG era...I'd say a T6 Miranda and Excelsior would make a million times more sense than the NX or Connie.
MVAE - Intel spec (It was a deep space scout/recon ship, Intel is right up that ally)
Defiant/Norway - Pilot Spec
B'rel - Intel
Vo'quv - Command
Vor'cha - Pilot
Mogai - Pilot
D'deridex - Intel
Ar'kif - Command
They did guarantee it before the post was magically altered.
Pretty much this.
Into a fixed T-6'ed Dyson, preferably.
But I'm reasonably certain a lockbox update is already planned.
The Olympus, the Miranda., the Guramba.
Oh, and that weird cruiser with the 4 nacelles.
My Dauntless is already a nearly perfect PvE platform. I just need something with a Lt.Cmdr. Eng station and base hull in the 40k range.
Beyond that, I'll buy mostly for traits.
In the end, we DID buy them with real money, correct?
Of course they should have. But it would have been "too hard"