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nickcastletonnickcastleton Member Posts: 1,212 Arc User
edited April 2015 in Ten Forward
We all know This will only end badly
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  • grandnaguszek1grandnaguszek1 Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    We will find the Iconians.
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  • tlaloconeinfptlaloconeinfp Member Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    grandnaguszek1 wrote: »
    We will find the Iconians.


    We already have found them! XD

    Otherwise there would not be a peace treaty again between KDF and Starfleet!XDD :pp

    We caught their attention all right! And i am not even mentioning that new episode or the upcoming Quonos invasion pve queue!xDDD
  • sarreoussarreous Member Posts: 336 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    What we see: StarCastle_citade-1.jpg

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  • theredcomettheredcomet Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    As a space geek i am bewildered at people's excitement at the possibility of finding new life out there.

    Whatever we'll discover is likely to be so woefully beyond us in every aspect. It's also likely that they'll be violent and/or give no more thought to squashing us than we would to squashing a bug.
    Cortez vs the natives on steroids.

    Violence is inherent to all life on this planet and there's nothing to say it isn't the law of the universe.

    We're better off hidden in the interstellar grass.
  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,476 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    theredcomet wrote: »
    As a space geek i am bewildered at people's excitement at the possibility of finding new life out there.

    Whatever we'll discover is likely to be so woefully beyond us in every aspect. It's also likely that they'll be violent and/or give no more thought to squashing us than we would to squashing a bug.
    Cortez vs the natives on steroids.

    Violence is inherent to all life on this planet and there's nothing to say it isn't the law of the universe.

    We're better off hidden in the interstellar grass.
    The conquistadores were after the legendary Lost City of Gold, though. The locals had something they wanted.

    I have trouble imagining anything Earth has to offer that can't be gotten much more cheaply, easily, and without fighting anyone from various smallbodies in microgravity. Water? The outer system - hell, the universe at large - is lousy with it! Gold? Mine some asteroids, so much easier than digging deeply into a planetary crust. Iron? Why do you think Mars is red? Slaves? Yeah, you might want to look into a different species. Humans don't really do the "slave" thing that well. Protein? Give us access to your advanced technology, which you needed in order to cross between the stars, and we'll build you meat-tissue culture racks, no fighting required - we could use them too, you know.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    jonsills wrote: »
    The conquistadores were after the legendary Lost City of Gold, though. The locals had something they wanted.

    I have trouble imagining anything Earth has to offer that can't be gotten much more cheaply, easily, and without fighting anyone from various smallbodies in microgravity. Water? The outer system - hell, the universe at large - is lousy with it! Gold? Mine some asteroids, so much easier than digging deeply into a planetary crust. Iron? Why do you think Mars is red? Slaves? Yeah, you might want to look into a different species. Humans don't really do the "slave" thing that well. Protein? Give us access to your advanced technology, which you needed in order to cross between the stars, and we'll build you meat-tissue culture racks, no fighting required - we could use them too, you know.

    V: The Miniseries had one of their main reasons for invading Earth as stealing water. The others were using humans as a food supply and cannon fodder.
  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,476 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    starkaos wrote: »
    V: The Miniseries had one of their main reasons for invading Earth as stealing water. The others were using humans as a food supply and cannon fodder.
    That was the claimed reason in the original miniseries, and it was as dumb in the '80s as it is now. (The secret reason was because they thought humans were delicious; however, a little cooperation with the right people, and they could develop the means to clone human flesh without cloning full-blown humans, much like the Gligstith(click)optok in Larry Niven's short, "Assimilating Our Culture, That's What They're Doing!". Would have made for a much shorter series, with far less drama, but there you go.)
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  • rambowdoubledashrambowdoubledash Member Posts: 298 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Humans actually do the slave thing perfectly well. For the majority of human history, the majority of humans lived as either slaves or essentially slaves (serfs), and few raised any real objections. The major slave uprisings in human history (that is, an entire population of slaves in a given country or colony against their masters, verses individual riots or rebellions here or there) can be counted on one hand, and the successful ones..only the Haitian Revolution springs to mind. Individual slaves might attempt to escape bondage, but as a whole? Not really, no.

    This is why all of the world's major revolutions tend to be lead from the educated middle or upper class, not the lower classes. Lenin? Jefferson? Robspierre? Mao? Minh? Mandela? Ghandi? Castro? Guevera? Sure, you'll get occasional outliers, but for the most part the oppressed stay oppressed until someone who isn't oppressed decides to organize them and emancipate them.

    Education is the key thing there, I think. Africa is in the sorry state it is for a number of reasons, but at least one of those reasons is because the colonial empires collapsed in the 50s and 60s when most former colonies had less than 1 college graduate per 10,000 adults, and the majority of them had vast illiteracy issues.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,687 Community Moderator
    edited March 2015
    starkaos wrote: »
    V: The Miniseries had one of their main reasons for invading Earth as stealing water. The others were using humans as a food supply and cannon fodder.

    The water thing was a theory mentioned in Battle: Los Angeles. But it wasn't just water. It was water in liquid form.

    And in Transformers: Dark of the Moon, it was slave labor to rebuild a planet. A planet, that by all rights would have probably destroyed Earth via proximity if it has been successfully Space Gated to be near Earth. Hell... the chunk that did make it should have played havoc with the planet until it poofed.

    Plot hole in that one methinks.
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  • bluegeekbluegeek Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    If all they're using it for is for SETI, it was a huge waste of money.

    Betting its' pure astrophysics applications are FAR more productive.
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  • shevetshevet Member Posts: 1,667 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    To an extent, V made slightly better sense than is sometimes claimed. To an extent.

    Yes, the premise is obvious nonsense (water in its liquid form, i.e. water, is the simplest possible compound of the most common element in the universe and one of the runners-up for that title), but, well, the Visitors were ruled by a charismatic dictator. And if you are a megalomaniac reptiloid dictator, and you have a choice between a sensible and cost-effective ecological restoration programme on one hand, and a mega-humongous fleet of massive space battleships on the other... well, that's not even a choice, really, amirite? :D
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  • frontierplanetsfrontierplanets Member Posts: 61 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    rattler2 wrote: »
    And in Transformers: Dark of the Moon, it was slave labor to rebuild a planet. A planet, that by all rights would have probably destroyed Earth via proximity if it has been successfully Space Gated to be near Earth. Hell... the chunk that did make it should have played havoc with the planet until it poofed.

    Plot hole in that one methinks.


    It's Michael Bay's Transformers. I think it goes without saying there'll be some TRIBBLE to astrophysics. :rolleyes:
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  • cmdrscarletcmdrscarlet Member Posts: 5,137 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    And sarreous wins the thread.
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  • hevachhevach Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    frontierplanets wrote: »
    It's Michael Bay's Transformers. I think it goes without saying there'll be some TRIBBLE to astrophysics. :rolleyes:

    At any given point in the Transformers series it should be pretty clear that no thought was being put in aside from getting from one sex joke to the next and one CGI battlesplosion to the next.

    I mean, the Decepticons were in possession of at least one shard of the All Spark, which was, despite most of the cube being destroyed, was still capable of transforming almost any electrical or mechanical device into a sentient machine pound-for-pound far superior to a human. But after using it to revive their defeated leader they apparently just... left it on the ocean floor or something. Maybe pushed it to the back of the drawer and forgot it was in there.

    But, yeah, sure, we needed the human enslavement so we could have a human bad guy leader so that we have a reason for Doctor McDreamy to get in a fistfight with the kid from Disturbia.
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  • lilchibiclarililchibiclari Member Posts: 1,193 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    shevet wrote: »
    To an extent, V made slightly better sense than is sometimes claimed. To an extent.

    Yes, the premise is obvious nonsense (water in its liquid form, i.e. water, is the simplest possible compound of the most common element in the universe and one of the runners-up for that title), but, well, the Visitors were ruled by a charismatic dictator. And if you are a megalomaniac reptiloid dictator, and you have a choice between a sensible and cost-effective ecological restoration programme on one hand, and a mega-humongous fleet of massive space battleships on the other... well, that's not even a choice, really, amirite? :D

    Seriously, the energy required to excavate and melt ice is trivial compared to the energy required to transport it from Earth's surface to another solar system. There is dozens of times more water frozen in the moons of the outer planets and the Kuiper belt than on Earth. The only things that require coming to Earth to get are biological in origin.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    shevet wrote: »
    To an extent, V made slightly better sense than is sometimes claimed. To an extent.

    Yes, the premise is obvious nonsense (water in its liquid form, i.e. water, is the simplest possible compound of the most common element in the universe and one of the runners-up for that title), but, well, the Visitors were ruled by a charismatic dictator. And if you are a megalomaniac reptiloid dictator, and you have a choice between a sensible and cost-effective ecological restoration programme on one hand, and a mega-humongous fleet of massive space battleships on the other... well, that's not even a choice, really, amirite? :D
    Yeah, Looking at it from that viewpoint is weird, but it does make sense in a way. We don't have the tech to mine what we need but we have the weapons to steal it.

    It doesn't make a lot of sense to other races, but to a race of warmongers who are used to stealing what they need..... Well, it might make sense to them.

    Oh and it was hilarious seeing the V eat mice in the original.
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  • psycoticvulcanpsycoticvulcan Member Posts: 4,160 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    theredcomet wrote: »
    there's nothing to say [violence] isn't the law of the universe.

    There's nothing to say it is, either. Humans may well be the exception, and I think even we might evolve past that eventually.

    Only one way to find out.
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  • jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    nickcastleton wrote: »
    We all know This will only end badly

    all they are going to find are twinkies :D
  • kojirohellfirekojirohellfire Member Posts: 1,606 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I think it would be a far more frightening idea that the aliens find out our biology produces a chemical that is a key ingredient to a narcotic their civilization developed and decided to... harvest.

    Also frightening would be the possibility that they're a different form of life that views our kind as a sort of... infestation and come over to fumigate.

    Or, they might not even recognize that we're technically sentient and just might steamroll over us out of ignorance while they strip mine the entire solar system for resources to build one of their cosmic superstructures.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    kojirohellfire wrote: »
    I think it would be a far more frightening idea that the aliens find out our biology produces a chemical that is a key ingredient to a narcotic their civilization developed and decided to... harvest.

    Also frightening would be the possibility that they're a different form of life that views our kind as a sort of... infestation and come over to fumigate.

    Or, they might not even recognize that we're technically sentient and just might steamroll over us out of ignorance while they strip mine the entire solar system for resources to build one of their cosmic superstructures.
    Maybe a form of fungus that's technically only sentient when in giant foot-ball field size colonies? Also it would think too slowly for a proper conversation, but fast enough to shoot people.
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  • liniisanliniisan Member Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    nickcastleton wrote: »
    We all know This will only end badly

    Hoe don't do it
    :P
  • jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    kojirohellfire wrote: »
    I think it would be a far more frightening idea that the aliens find out our biology produces a chemical that is a key ingredient to a narcotic their civilization developed and decided to... harvest.

    Also frightening would be the possibility that they're a different form of life that views our kind as a sort of... infestation and come over to fumigate.

    Or, they might not even recognize that we're technically sentient and just might steamroll over us out of ignorance while they strip mine the entire solar system for resources to build one of their cosmic superstructures.

    But what if we discover a new species of sentient life and they turn out to be friendly?
  • kojirohellfirekojirohellfire Member Posts: 1,606 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    jorantomalak wrote: »
    But what if we discover a new species of sentient life and they turn out to be friendly?

    Then we dodged a bullet.
  • lilchibiclarililchibiclari Member Posts: 1,193 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    valoreah wrote: »
    Why? Chances are just as good that we'll find someone of equal or lesser development to us as there are superior civilizations.

    If we aren't building starships yet, then we probably won't be detecting civilizations of "lesser development". Civilizations would be detected remotely by their electromagnetic emissions, which implies that a civilization that has not yet discovered radio (or other electrical-based communication such as maser/laser) would be undetected (plus however many years it takes the radio signal to reach us). For example, a 50-lightyears-away civilization being detected right now would be fifty years past the invention of radio right now.
  • bcwhguderian1941bcwhguderian1941 Member Posts: 804 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    It seems to me that a species (Carbon Based as ourselves), which achieves sentience would
    more likley than not, be a "predatory" species. Predators on average having a higher intelligence
    in order to survive. If they are "emotion" dominated, we have a chance to co-exsist. If they
    are "instinct" dominated... maybe not so good? Us soft skinned critters may just make really
    nice pillow cases. :eek:

    Of course the above is a massive assumption based on Earth's evolutionary models. But I think
    those that assume an advanced society must be benevolent is dismissing many possible
    alternatives. They wouldn't have to be "evil" to be terrifying, just indifferent.


    BCW. :)
  • lilchibiclarililchibiclari Member Posts: 1,193 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    They would not necessarily be benevolent towards those not-of-their-species, but if they survived to achieve starflight, then they were presumably able to resist the urge to nuke each other, which implies a measure of self-restraint.
  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,476 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    lilchibiclari wrote: »
    They would not necessarily be benevolent towards those not-of-their-species, but if they survived to achieve starflight, then they were presumably able to resist the urge to nuke each other, which implies a measure of self-restraint.
    That is in fact one of the answers to Fermi's Question ("Where is everybody?") - the idea that any species advanced enough to engage in spaceflight will hit the bottleneck of nuclear warfare and/or the ability to utterly destroy their planetary ecosystem with industrial pollution. Only those species able to control their impulses can possibly survive this bottleneck. (It's interesting to note that according to this hypothesis, we haven't passed that point ourselves - we still might manage to wipe ourselves out, joining in the Great Silence.)
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  • kojirohellfirekojirohellfire Member Posts: 1,606 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    jonsills wrote: »
    That is in fact one of the answers to Fermi's Question ("Where is everybody?") - the idea that any species advanced enough to engage in spaceflight will hit the bottleneck of nuclear warfare and/or the ability to utterly destroy their planetary ecosystem with industrial pollution. Only those species able to control their impulses can possibly survive this bottleneck. (It's interesting to note that according to this hypothesis, we haven't passed that point ourselves - we still might manage to wipe ourselves out, joining in the Great Silence.)

    Then there's the other nasty possibility: The berserker probes.
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