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T6 Tactical Escort - Valiant Class

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    baelogventurebaelogventure Member Posts: 1,002 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    My guess is that the T6 Defiant is going to contain the following seating.

    Cmdr Tac
    LTC Tac/Pilot
    Lt Eng
    Lt Sci
    Lt Uni

    Unless they give it

    Cmdr Tac
    LTC Tac/Pilot
    LTC Eng
    Lt Sci
    Ens Uni

    They might move the Pilot hybrid down to Lt rank, but you never know, since the Andromeda got a LTC Command seat while the Pathfinder got a Lt Intel seat.
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    bridgernbridgern Member Posts: 709 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    My guess is that the T6 Defiant is going to contain the following seating.

    Cmdr Tac
    LTC Tac/Pilot
    Lt Eng
    Lt Sci
    Lt Uni

    Unless they give it

    Cmdr Tac
    LTC Tac/Pilot
    LTC Eng
    Lt Sci
    Ens Uni

    They might move the Pilot hybrid down to Lt rank, but you never know, since the Andromeda got a LTC Command seat while the Pathfinder got a Lt Intel seat.

    I would prefer a Lt.Com Eng on the next Defiant seems to fit the ship more and would honor the work of Chief O'Brien who made the prototype operational in the first place.
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    hyperionx09hyperionx09 Member Posts: 1,709 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    If you don't like what I'm saying, then by all means, look at what Cryptic has done already and school yourself. Look up:
    T5 -> T6 Galaxy

    There were no drastic changes in any of these conversions. They were natural Next Tier improvements.
    The Andromeda is a technical exception; they changed its Boff Loadout from the old Intrepid/Galaxy/Defiant Trinity due to a plethora of complaints over the older two versions, among other of things (such as the fact that the second and third Eng seats were mostly useless due to shared CDs on the only useful Eng skills), and now shares a similar setup with the D'D (and in that round, the D'K got shafted with the Command Hybrid on its LtC Tac seat).

    I will agree otherwise that the Defiant is not likely to change from it's current setup, since it's always been useful. Thus, it'd follow the Pathfinder's loadout in Tac and Pilot flavor with an Ensign Tac being turned into an Lt Universal and the LT Sci seat getting the Pilot Hybrid seat.
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    medalionemissarymedalionemissary Member Posts: 612 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Enhanced Battle Cloak, or even regular Battle Cloak for T6 Defiant plz plz plz

    Make it integrated that doesn't take up a slot, oh yeahhhhhh
    Deep Space Nine in HD, make it so!
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    induperatorinduperator Member Posts: 806 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Enhanced Battle Cloak, or even regular Battle Cloak for T6 Defiant plz plz plz

    Make it integrated that doesn't take up a slot, oh yeahhhhhh

    A normal cloak maybe but a Battle cloak?

    No...
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    gl2814egl2814e Member Posts: 328 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    A normal cloak maybe but a Battle cloak?

    No...

    Or yes...

    It isn't like the cloak is what gets players to play Romulans or Klingons...

    Only a deep fan love accomplishes that.
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    warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    The Andromeda is a technical exception; they changed its Boff Loadout from the old Intrepid/Galaxy/Defiant Trinity due to a plethora of complaints over the older two versions, among other of things (such as the fact that the second and third Eng seats were mostly useless due to shared CDs on the only useful Eng skills), and now shares a similar setup with the D'D (and in that round, the D'K got shafted with the Command Hybrid on its LtC Tac seat).

    I will agree otherwise that the Defiant is not likely to change from it's current setup, since it's always been useful. Thus, it'd follow the Pathfinder's loadout in Tac and Pilot flavor with an Ensign Tac being turned into an Lt Universal and the LT Sci seat getting the Pilot Hybrid seat.

    The core of the T5 Galaxy BOFF setup is there at T6 with the natural T6 goodness.
    T5 Galaxy
    Lt TAC
    Cmdr ENG
    LtCmdr ENG
    Ens ENG
    Lt SCI
    T6 Galaxy
    LtCmdr TAC - The main +1 of T6
    Cmdr ENG
    LtCmdr ENG/Hybrid
    Ens Universal
    Lt SCI
    Pretty much a natural improvement going into T6. The exact same improvement towards T6 as what happened with the very first conversion, the Intrepid.
    T5 Intrepid
    Lt TAC
    Lt ENG
    Cmdr SCI
    LtCmdr SCI
    Ens SCI
    T6 Intrepid
    Lt TAC
    Lt ENG/Hybrid
    Cmdr SCI
    LtCmdr SCI
    Lt Universal
    Again, natural improvements going to T6.

    The guys expecting drastic **** are setting themselves up for heartbreak. Just like the guys who were assuming and talking about the Pilot Ships were going to be a T6 Defiant when history says otherwise. But yes, it's going to be fun watching the heartbreak with the T6 Defiant :D With all the history Cryptic had with these T5->T6 conversions, it's amazing how people think it's going to be different for their favorite ship.

    I'm a B'Rel and Mogai fanboi. But even I have more realistic guesses of what the T6 versions of those ships are going to be.
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    warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    This is my guess the T6 Defiant is going to be. It should be pretty easy to predict.

    T6 Defiant
    4/3 Weapons
    Cmdr TAC
    LtCdr TAC/Hybrid - Whatever Specialization Cryptic assigns it.
    Lt Universal
    Lt ENG
    Lt SCI

    Same Consoles as Fleet T5U.

    Same handling characteristics as T5.

    New item for T6; Makes a new 3 item Defiant Set - Cloaking Device, Quad Phasers, + the new T6 item.

    No crazy 5/2 change. No Pilot Maneuvers. No Gather Intel. No Inspiration.

    You can take that to the bank.

    And since the B'Rel and Mogai will be coming with the Defiant, here we go, quick, down, and dirty:

    T6 B'Rel
    Cmdr Universal
    LtCdr Universal / Hybrid
    LtCdr Universal
    Lt Universal


    Same general rules as what happened with Defiant.

    T6 B'Rel gets a new item to merge with the T1 B'Rel/B'Rotlh's Enhanced Unduction Coil Universal Console to form a 2 item set with bonus. The T5 C-Store B'Rel never came with anything.

    T6 T'Varo
    Cmdr TAC
    Ens TAC
    Lt ENG
    Lt SCI
    LtCmdr SCI / Hybrid

    Same general rules again on improvements.

    New T6 item, expanding existing T'Varo set to 3 items.

    There. Easy.
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    johnnymo1johnnymo1 Member Posts: 697 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Name it the sisco class. Red squad squandered the ship when they had it in a failed attack that showed why it should take you a few years to command a star ship, not an accident a few hours after you left the academy. I would love the t6 defiant to have the 5/2 weapon set up, a 5/3 for the fleet version would be amazing, but i can already imagine the complaining that would bring on. As far as an extra console/weapon, a 360 degree phaser array. Yes there is already the one made through crafting, but it would put phasers on a more level ground with AP weapons due to the ancient omni beam.
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