So they host an event where the only profit can come from long term character investments using normal game mechanics if players decided to hold onto their recruits?
Really?
No bonus reason, that's what I've interpreted as well (though it would be interesting if in future events cryptic has one or two token objectives for delta recruits, say a very short non-combat dialog mission on Risa during the next summer event that yields a few bonus favors.)
I've said it before,PWE/Cryptic are all about the short term profits.
They were going all out to suck as much money out of player's wallets as they could....and now it's too late,the damage is done,the game is dead...
This game is dead, eh? Your proof is where exactly? I ask because it seems that the game is still in development/still running. So, where's your proof that the game is dead? Don't say that it's due to the Queues or whatever.
This game is dead, eh? Your proof is where exactly? I ask because it seems that the game is still in development/still running. So, where's your proof that the game is dead? Don't say that it's due to the Queues or whatever.
Yes please don't say anything that would make sense ... here is what you're supposed to say instead :
"The game is in a lull point right now ... it's a reporting bug ... EVERYONE is doing Patrols instead ... it'll kick back up in about a month or so ... since the last 6 months or so ... just have some patience" yadda yadda yadda ...
Patch Notes : Resolved an Issue, where people would accidently experience Fun.
This game is dead, eh? Your proof is where exactly? I ask because it seems that the game is still in development/still running. So, where's your proof that the game is dead? Don't say that it's due to the Queues or whatever.
I wholeheartedly agree with you and I also get sick of people saying "game dead" in every online video game ever made. Take a look at Blizzard Forums and see all the people complaining about "game dead" despite the fact that Blizzard's BattleNet gives an exact number of accounts logged on at any given time as well as the number of games in progress at any given time. Some people just enjoy going around spewing "game dead, game dead". They might as well be typing out "the sky is falling, the sky is falling".
Here is a wonderful idea Cryptic let us trade a lockbox ship for a T-6 Constution Refit.
This certainly would be inducement enough for me to roll a new alt at this stage.
I'd already be committed and chompin at the bits to start.
As things stand now, meh, I have no information on any rewards, kinda hard for me to get excited at the moment.
But hey, glass half full, new free character slot right? That's somethin, Thank's Cryptic ! Too bad things aren't exactly alt friendly at the moment tho.
Because the Flotilla is the main Romulan hub, right?
It is for Romulan Republic player characters until they chose a faction to ally with; and this is primarily for new/starting characters.
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They were going all out to suck as much money out of player's wallets as they could....and now it's too late,the damage is done,the game is dead...
The second blog was about a PvE queue. I hardly consider that grind.
Oh well. Like everything else, no matter what Cryptic adds to the game, some players will scream "grind," "nerf," or "cash-grab" - or proclaim the game "dead' yet again - regardless of the actual content.
I for one am just looking forward to the bonus stuff that comes from the Delta Recruit event. It'll be a nice to have a reason to go back and do those missions again, plus the revamped Romulan Mystery arc.
I see the same angry forum trolls are out in force. If you don't like it, don't play it. Keep your sanctimonious, trolliness to yourself. Seriously, for a group of people that make it perfectly clear you are unhappy with life, you spend a TON of time spreading hate, anger, and vitriol on the forums. It is a very bad place to be, it is not healthy. I hope all of you find a better state of mind about your entertainment.
The second blog was about a PvE queue. I hardly consider that grind.
Oh well. Like everything else, no matter what Cryptic adds to the game, some players will scream "grind," "nerf," or "cash-grab" - or proclaim the game "dead' yet again - regardless of the actual content.
I for one am just looking forward to the bonus stuff that comes from the Delta Recruit event. It'll be a nice to have a reason to go back and do those missions again, plus the revamped Romulan Mystery arc.
Well said
HA! If you are looking forward to it so much than there's no logic is saying a damn thing... HA! some people
its already mentioned well before in a previous blog about a temporal agent, and its adding nothing more then what is already stated really. also not a lot of non specific details and even if there was, all i see is a "bag of hot air". a lot of blustering and exaggeration so far without actually getting to a point.
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Like, all characters above level 60 are reverted to level 50, all spec points reversed, and all reputations set to 0.
All characters under level 50 will be reverted to level 1 and be stuck in a time loop where you replay the new character tutorial mission over and over and over.
All fleet starbases will be dropped down a full tier.
Joking aside, the Delta Recruit stuff sounds interesting and I'm excited for it.
I'm guessing this means that if we want rewards on all different factions, we have to have a delta recruit made up for each faction? Or are the rewards faction agnostic, so we can make a fed delta and send the rewards to a KDF or ROM toon?
I'm guessing this means that if we want rewards on all different factions, we have to have a delta recruit made up for each faction? Or are the rewards faction agnostic, so we can make a fed delta and send the rewards to a KDF or ROM toon?
It looks like you only need one. Of course, I'll be making three, because I'm delighted to see an event for altoholics.
I'm guessing this means that if we want rewards on all different factions, we have to have a delta recruit made up for each faction? Or are the rewards faction agnostic, so we can make a fed delta and send the rewards to a KDF or ROM toon?
Having the unlocks be faction based would sour my idea of making a KDF for the event.
I have one KDF. Who only ever gets logged in when they have lower level ship give aways that include the KDF on the off chance I ever would get the urge to actually play KDF.
This is my Risian Corvette. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
This is going to be "City of Heroes: Going Rogue" all over again, with the dev and marketing investment coming to almost nothing (like a 1% spike in new subs for a month at most) at the cost of annoying existing players enough to drive them away faster than you pick up new players.
That is a rather unfair comparison. First because Going Rogue was actually awesome. Second because COH was very alt-friendly. (~50 alts here.) As for the "annoying existing players" part, I really don't know what you're on about. From personal experience, I didn't get such a reaction from the channels and SGs I played with, and I and my friends had a great time.
"We know playing a Delta Recruit is going to be a time investment away from playing your main character. Because of that, we wanted to give your other characters rewards for the time you spend completing Delta Recruit tasks. You shouldnt feel like you're missing out because you're playing a Delta Recruit."
So...if this was true, why not just let us get the rewards on our main character by replaying the missions on them?
If this is not just to pad metrics for new characters created, then why force players to re-grind a whole new character?
When we need so much xp just to grind out levels, are we going to get 100% of the xp earned on the Delta Recruit given to all of our characters? If not, then for most that already have characters, this is a waste of time.
We have had xp nerfs to drag the ridiculous grind from 50-60+ out longer, and now you want us to start all new characters, and grind the same content all over again.
Why not spend time improving the game play mechanics? Why not let our existing characters replay those missions, and get the rewards, instead of locking it behind re-grinding a new character?
Another bad decision made by ones that don't know what the problems are with the game. Just throwing new shiny stuff out there to try and draw attention away from the real problems in the game.
This is just bad management to be honest.
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"We know playing a Delta Recruit is going to be a time investment away from playing your main character. Because of that, we wanted to give your other characters rewards for the time you spend completing Delta Recruit tasks. You shouldnt feel like you're missing out because you're playing a Delta Recruit."
So...if this was true, why not just let us get the rewards on our main character by replaying the missions on them?
If this is not just to pad metrics for new characters created, then why force players to re-grind a whole new character?
It's because, like any reward in the game, we have to do something specific to earn the reward. If you don't want to participate in the event, then that's fine. You have that choice.
But don't go about calling it bad management. This is an alt-friendly approach that players had recently been calling out for. Bad management would be focusing solely on one aspect over another. And it's been a while since we've seen something focused towards alts or new players, so we're definitely due for something like this.
Either way, we're still getting fixes, content updates, and new mechanics fairly regularly. Season 10 is just around the corner, and weekly maintenance is only a couple days away. If Cryptic had said they'd be putting Season 10 and bug fixes on hold for the Delta Recruitment event, yeah that'd be a concern - but they're chugging along with everything just fine.
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This is going to be "City of Heroes: Going Rogue" all over again, with the dev and marketing investment coming to almost nothing (like a 1% spike in new subs for a month at most) at the cost of annoying existing players enough to drive them away faster than you pick up new players.
Sounds like a good event. Existing characters can unlock perks attained by the new Delta recruit. There isn't much for"disenfranchised" main types to complain about. As a final perk if the event "costs" the forums and game annoying existing players this could be one the best one yet. Not sure what would become of the forums though.
It's because, like any reward in the game, we have to do something specific to earn the reward. If you don't want to participate in the event, then that's fine. You have that choice.
But don't go about calling it bad management. This is an alt-friendly approach that players had recently been calling out for. Bad management would be focusing solely on one aspect over another. And it's been a while since we've seen something focused towards alts or new players, so we're definitely due for something like this.
Either way, we're still getting fixes, content updates, and new mechanics fairly regularly. Season 10 is just around the corner, and weekly maintenance is only a couple days away. If Cryptic had said they'd be putting Season 10 and bug fixes on hold for the Delta Recruitment event, yeah that'd be a concern - but they're chugging along with everything just fine.
Actually, you are wrong. Most of the calls for help were not for starting a new alt. It was that we wanted help with our existing alts. The Delta Recruit only benefits those wanting to start NEW alts, or New players. Those that have alts already are screwed.
Last year, they gave us the sponsorship token for alts. It was something that helped both new, and EXISTING alts. You didn't need to re-grind a new character just to be able to start using the sponsorship tokens. You only needed one character that had them completed. And, if you had an alt that had already started a rep system, then you could use the sponsorship token on them, and the rest of it was finished quicker.
This is not helping with existing alts, unless you start another one from scratch. And after reaching level 50, you then need to redo the ridiculous grind from 50-60 because they made the CapSpec system part of the leveling process.
If they were an "alt-friendly approach that players had recently been calling out for." then it would have been something we could have done with our existing characters, and not required starting a new character.
Bad management is not listening to players, and not fixing things wrong with the game besides just the bugs.
I am all for new players getting help. In fact, it may help keep so many of them from leaving after they get a taste of what happens after level 50.
Also, I never said that they were not doing bug fixes, or were not working on season 10. Since you only focused on only part of what I said, I will quote the rest of what I quoted earlier.
"When we need so much xp just to grind out levels, are we going to get 100% of the xp earned on the Delta Recruit given to all of our characters? If not, then for most that already have characters, this is a waste of time.
We have had xp nerfs to drag the ridiculous grind from 50-60+ out longer, and now you want us to start all new characters, and grind the same content all over again.
Why not spend time improving the game play mechanics? Why not let our existing characters replay those missions, and get the rewards, instead of locking it behind re-grinding a new character?
Another bad decision made by ones that don't know what the problems are with the game. Just throwing new shiny stuff out there to try and draw attention away from the real problems in the game.
This is just bad management to be honest."
I hope this helps clear up what I was saying earlier.
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I just started playing STO over a week ago, and while grinding out a new character so soon doesn't really appeal to me, I have been wanting to play a Romulan.
If I do decided to make a Romulan, can my Federation main character claim the rewards, or are they faction locked?
I just started playing STO over a week ago, and while grinding out a new character so soon doesn't really appeal to me, I have been wanting to play a Romulan.
If I do decided to make a Romulan, can my Federation main character claim the rewards, or are they faction locked?
Thanks.
They haven't been perfectly clear on this yet. We may need to wait till they eventually give a Dev blog with more useful information.
Till then, I there is no telling what they will do about that.
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As Delta Recruits complete the goals presented to them in the Recruit UI, they are earning rewards. Many of these rewards are account-bound, so if youd like to send them all to other characters, thats completely fine, and in fact an intended possible use of those rewards. In addition, Delta Recruits will also unlock rewards that can be claimed by other characters on your account.
Maybe the phrasing was just ambiguous, but that looks to me like there are 3 categories of Delta Recruit rewards:
1) Single-character rewards given to the Recruit
2) Single-character, account-bound rewards that the Recruit can transfer to other toons (like a Main)
3) Account-wide rewards that individual toons have to visit the temporal agents to redeem
That's a lot better than what I was expecting after the first blog post, but unless categories one and two go away (or I'm mistaken about their existence in the first place) it still kinda smells like they're trying to "obsolete" existing toons and/or failing at the "You shouldnt feel like you're missing out because you're playing a Delta Recruit" objective.
I've said it before,PWE/Cryptic are all about the short term profits.
They were going all out to suck as much money out of player's wallets as they could....and now it's too late,the damage is done,the game is dead...
I cant see this event getting much money from existing players, most have already purchased any c-store items they want and in most cases they can be claimed by the delta depending on faction you choose to play.
for most FTP players if they haven't spent any money yet I cant see this event opening their wallets.
having said that I hope there are some whales out there who spend a fortune, the more money the game makes the better for all of us.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
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This event,this is the 'too late' part....the damage is already done.
Take back your home,end the grind!
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Yes please don't say anything that would make sense ... here is what you're supposed to say instead :
"The game is in a lull point right now ... it's a reporting bug ... EVERYONE is doing Patrols instead ... it'll kick back up in about a month or so ... since the last 6 months or so ... just have some patience" yadda yadda yadda ...
I wholeheartedly agree with you and I also get sick of people saying "game dead" in every online video game ever made. Take a look at Blizzard Forums and see all the people complaining about "game dead" despite the fact that Blizzard's BattleNet gives an exact number of accounts logged on at any given time as well as the number of games in progress at any given time. Some people just enjoy going around spewing "game dead, game dead". They might as well be typing out "the sky is falling, the sky is falling".
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This certainly would be inducement enough for me to roll a new alt at this stage.
I'd already be committed and chompin at the bits to start.
As things stand now, meh, I have no information on any rewards, kinda hard for me to get excited at the moment.
But hey, glass half full, new free character slot right? That's somethin, Thank's Cryptic ! Too bad things aren't exactly alt friendly at the moment tho.
It is for Romulan Republic player characters until they chose a faction to ally with; and this is primarily for new/starting characters.
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The second blog was about a PvE queue. I hardly consider that grind.
Oh well. Like everything else, no matter what Cryptic adds to the game, some players will scream "grind," "nerf," or "cash-grab" - or proclaim the game "dead' yet again - regardless of the actual content.
I for one am just looking forward to the bonus stuff that comes from the Delta Recruit event. It'll be a nice to have a reason to go back and do those missions again, plus the revamped Romulan Mystery arc.
Well said
On topic: Looking forward to this, and more info on rewards as well.
People should also check out the Frequently Created Threads (F.C.T) post (http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1162461) as there are comments that are once again covering topics that have been asked and answered!
HA! If you are looking forward to it so much than there's no logic is saying a damn thing... HA! some people
its already mentioned well before in a previous blog about a temporal agent, and its adding nothing more then what is already stated really. also not a lot of non specific details and even if there was, all i see is a "bag of hot air". a lot of blustering and exaggeration so far without actually getting to a point.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
What if our accounts actually go back in time?
Like, all characters above level 60 are reverted to level 50, all spec points reversed, and all reputations set to 0.
All characters under level 50 will be reverted to level 1 and be stuck in a time loop where you replay the new character tutorial mission over and over and over.
All fleet starbases will be dropped down a full tier.
Joking aside, the Delta Recruit stuff sounds interesting and I'm excited for it.
I kinda feel like Johnny 5: after all that reading, still need more input. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj-qBUWOYfE
It's blogception! :eek:
It looks like you only need one. Of course, I'll be making three, because I'm delighted to see an event for altoholics.
Having the unlocks be faction based would sour my idea of making a KDF for the event.
I have one KDF. Who only ever gets logged in when they have lower level ship give aways that include the KDF on the off chance I ever would get the urge to actually play KDF.
That is a rather unfair comparison. First because Going Rogue was actually awesome. Second because COH was very alt-friendly. (~50 alts here.) As for the "annoying existing players" part, I really don't know what you're on about. From personal experience, I didn't get such a reaction from the channels and SGs I played with, and I and my friends had a great time.
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So...if this was true, why not just let us get the rewards on our main character by replaying the missions on them?
If this is not just to pad metrics for new characters created, then why force players to re-grind a whole new character?
When we need so much xp just to grind out levels, are we going to get 100% of the xp earned on the Delta Recruit given to all of our characters? If not, then for most that already have characters, this is a waste of time.
We have had xp nerfs to drag the ridiculous grind from 50-60+ out longer, and now you want us to start all new characters, and grind the same content all over again.
Why not spend time improving the game play mechanics? Why not let our existing characters replay those missions, and get the rewards, instead of locking it behind re-grinding a new character?
Another bad decision made by ones that don't know what the problems are with the game. Just throwing new shiny stuff out there to try and draw attention away from the real problems in the game.
This is just bad management to be honest.
It's because, like any reward in the game, we have to do something specific to earn the reward. If you don't want to participate in the event, then that's fine. You have that choice.
But don't go about calling it bad management. This is an alt-friendly approach that players had recently been calling out for. Bad management would be focusing solely on one aspect over another. And it's been a while since we've seen something focused towards alts or new players, so we're definitely due for something like this.
Either way, we're still getting fixes, content updates, and new mechanics fairly regularly. Season 10 is just around the corner, and weekly maintenance is only a couple days away. If Cryptic had said they'd be putting Season 10 and bug fixes on hold for the Delta Recruitment event, yeah that'd be a concern - but they're chugging along with everything just fine.
Me too! I have 22 toons and several free slots already waiting!
Sounds like a good event. Existing characters can unlock perks attained by the new Delta recruit. There isn't much for"disenfranchised" main types to complain about. As a final perk if the event "costs" the forums and game annoying existing players this could be one the best one yet. Not sure what would become of the forums though.
Actually, you are wrong. Most of the calls for help were not for starting a new alt. It was that we wanted help with our existing alts. The Delta Recruit only benefits those wanting to start NEW alts, or New players. Those that have alts already are screwed.
Last year, they gave us the sponsorship token for alts. It was something that helped both new, and EXISTING alts. You didn't need to re-grind a new character just to be able to start using the sponsorship tokens. You only needed one character that had them completed. And, if you had an alt that had already started a rep system, then you could use the sponsorship token on them, and the rest of it was finished quicker.
This is not helping with existing alts, unless you start another one from scratch. And after reaching level 50, you then need to redo the ridiculous grind from 50-60 because they made the CapSpec system part of the leveling process.
If they were an "alt-friendly approach that players had recently been calling out for." then it would have been something we could have done with our existing characters, and not required starting a new character.
Bad management is not listening to players, and not fixing things wrong with the game besides just the bugs.
I am all for new players getting help. In fact, it may help keep so many of them from leaving after they get a taste of what happens after level 50.
Also, I never said that they were not doing bug fixes, or were not working on season 10. Since you only focused on only part of what I said, I will quote the rest of what I quoted earlier.
"When we need so much xp just to grind out levels, are we going to get 100% of the xp earned on the Delta Recruit given to all of our characters? If not, then for most that already have characters, this is a waste of time.
We have had xp nerfs to drag the ridiculous grind from 50-60+ out longer, and now you want us to start all new characters, and grind the same content all over again.
Why not spend time improving the game play mechanics? Why not let our existing characters replay those missions, and get the rewards, instead of locking it behind re-grinding a new character?
Another bad decision made by ones that don't know what the problems are with the game. Just throwing new shiny stuff out there to try and draw attention away from the real problems in the game.
This is just bad management to be honest."
I hope this helps clear up what I was saying earlier.
If I do decided to make a Romulan, can my Federation main character claim the rewards, or are they faction locked?
Thanks.
They haven't been perfectly clear on this yet. We may need to wait till they eventually give a Dev blog with more useful information.
Till then, I there is no telling what they will do about that.
Probably the Janitor and the cafeteria staff.:P
ROMULAN CAPTAIN: "What, he's NOT the janitor he's with Timefleet?"
ROMULAN FIRST OFFICER: "Now you know why HQ never runs out of TP."
Maybe the phrasing was just ambiguous, but that looks to me like there are 3 categories of Delta Recruit rewards:
1) Single-character rewards given to the Recruit
2) Single-character, account-bound rewards that the Recruit can transfer to other toons (like a Main)
3) Account-wide rewards that individual toons have to visit the temporal agents to redeem
That's a lot better than what I was expecting after the first blog post, but unless categories one and two go away (or I'm mistaken about their existence in the first place) it still kinda smells like they're trying to "obsolete" existing toons and/or failing at the "You shouldnt feel like you're missing out because you're playing a Delta Recruit" objective.
I cant see this event getting much money from existing players, most have already purchased any c-store items they want and in most cases they can be claimed by the delta depending on faction you choose to play.
for most FTP players if they haven't spent any money yet I cant see this event opening their wallets.
having said that I hope there are some whales out there who spend a fortune, the more money the game makes the better for all of us.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.