GCS, although preferably not the Enterprise because I wouldn't trust Picard as my CO after the number of times he unnecessarily took a beating and completely ignored quite prudent advice from his tactical officer.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
I would have to go with the BeeBop. But only if it comes with Jet and Spikes ships. I wouldn't mind if Fayes ship was in there too, but not needed. It also MUST come with Einstein, Edd is optional.
Yeah, the first thing I wonder about those is how/when did the Empire find the time to build them?
Well, the Empire didn't build the Star Forge (or at least, that Empire didn't). As for the rest, it was Tarkin's doing in large part--he had this thing called the Tarkin Doctrine which more or less boils down to the standard dictatorship "rule by scaring people into doing your bidding" thing.
The obvious flaw in the theory being that some people will keep fighting no matter how scared they are because they're more scared of what will happen if they don't beat you. As a rule, fascism is not a sustainable form of government. (I'm looking at you, Romulan Star Empire fetishists.)
True. Even the New Republic kinda had a 'huge ship fetish' as well for a time. See: Star Defenders.
I admit I like the design of the Viscount-class, but still, just seems wasteful for a rather 'young' government.
IIRC they were built as a hard counter for Imperial super star destroyers (rather than having to beat them by mobbing them), and surprisingly they're less resource-intensive. Just in terms of crew, an Executor-class SSD requires a quarter of a million crew members. A Viscount-class can get away with 60,000 (only about twice the crew of an Imperial II-class ISD, and the Empire built a ****-ton of those of which the Republic acquired dozens, minimum).
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Right, but giant ships are somewhat different than giant GUNS. Sure a SSD has immense firepower, but it's a space ship, and can be used for a variety of things, not just blowing things up. Granted, it's BEST at blowing things up, but can be used for other things.
Well, the Empire didn't build the Star Forge (or at least, that Empire didn't). As for the rest, it was Tarkin's doing in large part--he had this thing called the Tarkin Doctrine which more or less boils down to the standard dictatorship "rule by scaring people into doing your bidding" thing.
The obvious flaw in the theory being that some people will keep fighting no matter how scared they are because they're more scared of what will happen if they don't beat you. As a rule, fascism is not a sustainable form of government. (I'm looking at you, Romulan Star Empire fetishists.)
IIRC they were built as a hard counter for Imperial super star destroyers (rather than having to beat them by mobbing them), and surprisingly they're less resource-intensive. Just in terms of crew, an Executor-class SSD requires a quarter of a million crew members. A Viscount-class can get away with 60,000 (only about twice the crew of an Imperial II-class ISD, and the Empire built a ****-ton of those of which the Republic acquired dozens, minimum).
Personally I always found the Tarkin Doctrine a REALLY cheap way of justifying all those super weapons and such. It just felt like an excuse more than anything.
I agree with what you said, just that I dislike how they went about explaining it.
Fair enough on that, being more efficient, fewer personnel, all that stuff is good, but it wasn't a sustainable thing for them to do. As those various SSDs started to get destroyed or captured, the need for large ships began to take it's toil due to their cost to keep them running. And as time went on, they got older and more out-dated as technology moved on. It wasn't sustainable forever.
And sure, capturing smaller ships, like ISDs, and I'm sure PLENTY of other even smaller ships of other classes were captured, which is all good, but they were still smaller and cheaper to handle though as well.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Personally I always found the Tarkin Doctrine a REALLY cheap way of justifying all those super weapons and such. It just felt like an excuse more than anything.
I agree with what you said, just that I dislike how they went about explaining it.
Fair enough on that, being more efficient, fewer personnel, all that stuff is good, but it wasn't a sustainable thing for them to do. As those various SSDs started to get destroyed or captured, the need for large ships began to take it's toil due to their cost to keep them running. And as time went on, they got older and more out-dated as technology moved on. It wasn't sustainable forever.
And sure, capturing smaller ships, like ISDs, and I'm sure PLENTY of other even smaller ships of other classes were captured, which is all good, but they were still smaller and cheaper to handle though as well.
Not to mention the crews.... Seriously.... each one has the population of a small city....
Not to mention the crews.... Seriously.... each one has the population of a small city....
There are some Romulan ships in this game with bigger populations than the town I live in. You want to nitpick the crew numbers for a starship, do it to the government that set up housekeeping less than a year ago and only populates part of one planet, not the government that has a recruitment base covering most of a galaxy.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Well, the Empire didn't build the Star Forge (or at least, that Empire didn't). As for the rest, it was Tarkin's doing in large part--he had this thing called the Tarkin Doctrine which more or less boils down to the standard dictatorship "rule by scaring people into doing your bidding" thing.
The obvious flaw in the theory being that some people will keep fighting no matter how scared they are because they're more scared of what will happen if they don't beat you. As a rule, fascism is not a sustainable form of government. (I'm looking at you, Romulan Star Empire fetishists.)
While Fascism in and of itself tends to fall apart, dicatorship does not. Keep in mind that the RSE, the later iterations, is based more upon the late Roman Empire(the real one, not the holy one), which lasted for several thousand years (up to the 1400's when Constantinople was sacked by the turks). The RSE even straight up copies the names and titles used by the Roman Empire and the Roman Republic.
I would describe most iterations of the RSE as less fascistic and more Paranoid and Xenophobic, and since most Romulans shared that as a cultural trait, it wasn't seen as a negative of the government itself (senators couldn't even get Re-elected if they were seen as "soft").
There are some Romulan ships in this game with bigger populations than the town I live in. You want to nitpick the crew numbers for a starship, do it to the government that set up housekeeping less than a year ago and only populates part of one planet, not the government that has a recruitment base covering most of a galaxy.
yeah, but.... there's a big difference between a crew of 2500 and 60k....
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True. Even the New Republic kinda had a 'huge ship fetish' as well for a time. See: Star Defenders.
I admit I like the design of the Viscount-class, but still, just seems wasteful for a rather 'young' government.
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Well, the Empire didn't build the Star Forge (or at least, that Empire didn't). As for the rest, it was Tarkin's doing in large part--he had this thing called the Tarkin Doctrine which more or less boils down to the standard dictatorship "rule by scaring people into doing your bidding" thing.
The obvious flaw in the theory being that some people will keep fighting no matter how scared they are because they're more scared of what will happen if they don't beat you. As a rule, fascism is not a sustainable form of government. (I'm looking at you, Romulan Star Empire fetishists.)
IIRC they were built as a hard counter for Imperial super star destroyers (rather than having to beat them by mobbing them), and surprisingly they're less resource-intensive. Just in terms of crew, an Executor-class SSD requires a quarter of a million crew members. A Viscount-class can get away with 60,000 (only about twice the crew of an Imperial II-class ISD, and the Empire built a ****-ton of those of which the Republic acquired dozens, minimum).
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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Barring that... modified Phoenix class Support ship ala UNSC Spirit of Fire. Dat Observation Deck has quite a view.
Although I wouldn't mind an O'Neil class Space Station like Babylon 5 either.
Join The Space Invaders,..... Federation and KDF fleets.
Personally I always found the Tarkin Doctrine a REALLY cheap way of justifying all those super weapons and such. It just felt like an excuse more than anything.
I agree with what you said, just that I dislike how they went about explaining it.
Fair enough on that, being more efficient, fewer personnel, all that stuff is good, but it wasn't a sustainable thing for them to do. As those various SSDs started to get destroyed or captured, the need for large ships began to take it's toil due to their cost to keep them running. And as time went on, they got older and more out-dated as technology moved on. It wasn't sustainable forever.
And sure, capturing smaller ships, like ISDs, and I'm sure PLENTY of other even smaller ships of other classes were captured, which is all good, but they were still smaller and cheaper to handle though as well.
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There are some Romulan ships in this game with bigger populations than the town I live in. You want to nitpick the crew numbers for a starship, do it to the government that set up housekeeping less than a year ago and only populates part of one planet, not the government that has a recruitment base covering most of a galaxy.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
While Fascism in and of itself tends to fall apart, dicatorship does not. Keep in mind that the RSE, the later iterations, is based more upon the late Roman Empire(the real one, not the holy one), which lasted for several thousand years (up to the 1400's when Constantinople was sacked by the turks). The RSE even straight up copies the names and titles used by the Roman Empire and the Roman Republic.
I would describe most iterations of the RSE as less fascistic and more Paranoid and Xenophobic, and since most Romulans shared that as a cultural trait, it wasn't seen as a negative of the government itself (senators couldn't even get Re-elected if they were seen as "soft").
...besides, it's a fun thread in Ten Forward, so we should really just relax!
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