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Rumor: Layoffs hit PWE

hyplhypl Member Posts: 3,719 Arc User
edited March 2015 in Ten Forward
http://www.mmorpg.com/newsroom.cfm/read/34211/General-RUMOR-Lay-Offs-Hit-Perfect-World.html

*adjusts tinfoil hat*

If true, I wonder if this will affect STO and other Cryptic games...
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I wonder if it's true....

    Rumors... often aren't.
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  • simeion1simeion1 Member Posts: 898 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    While PWE owns Crytpic it does not mean anyone working at Crytpic is getting laid off. If Crytpic is making money they don't need layoffs. While if PWE is struggling with its games it might. It all comes dow to what each of them need to be successful.
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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I hope the top-heavy management at PWE gets the axe. For all the criticism I give to Smirk and Trendy, I can't blame the people at the bottom of the food chain. They deserve to keep their jobs. They are actually the ones doing work.

    Most of PWE's management is the fat that needs to get cut to make for a leaner company and encourage growth. They don't do anything except reap the rewards made by people like Trendy and Smirk.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again. Most of Cryptic's problems lie with PWE. Most of PWE's problems lie with the people at the top. Not the people we deal with on the forums.

    And yes, I fully expect Trendy to close this thread too. It speaks volumes that our community managers spend more time trying to put out these rumor mill fires than they do speaking honestly and openly about the issues that players care about for their titles.

    Res ipsa loquitur.
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    edited March 2015
    iconians wrote: »
    I hope the top-heavy management at PWE gets the axe. For all the criticism I give to Smirk and Trendy, I can't blame the people at the bottom of the food chain. They deserve to keep their jobs. They are actually the ones doing work.

    Most of PWE's management is the fat that needs to get cut to make for a leaner company and encourage growth. They don't do anything except reap the rewards made by people like Trendy and Smirk.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again. Most of Cryptic's problems lie with PWE. Most of PWE's problems lie with the people at the top. Not the people we deal with on the forums.

    And yes, I fully expect Trendy to close this thread too. It speaks volumes that our community managers spend more time trying to put out these rumor mill fires than they do speaking honestly and openly about the issues that players care about for their titles.

    Res ipsa loquitur.
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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    nakedsnake001 wrote: »
    Don't forget about possible NDA's pushed onto employees, it happens.

    It happens. Does it need to happen? Yes. Is there a point where NDA's become a sword instead of a shield? Yes.

    There is a fine line between NDA and Gag Order. PWE has made it their policy to blur that line as much as possible.
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  • cidjackcidjack Member Posts: 2,017 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Didn't the last thread about this subject get closed?
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  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    markhawkman wrote: »
    I wonder if it's true....

    Rumors... often aren't.

    how would you know? cryptic logic doesnt work as intended to typical logic, assuming the cryptic arm got hit with layoffs.
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  • hippiejonhippiejon Member Posts: 1,581 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    https://twitter.com/MMODesigner/status/577797205290938369

    Matt Miller , former lead designer on City of Heroes , most recently a content(?) designer for STO. (Did the new Tutorials Klingon and Fed side -pretty sure-) .

    There you go.
    It affects STO.

    One Matt Miller is worth Ten Al Riveras.
    And he got laid off.
    Bets on who we see next ?

    Smirk, Miller .....


    No way that's all
  • nyxadrillnyxadrill Member Posts: 1,242 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    hippiejon wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/MMODesigner/status/577797205290938369

    Matt Miller , former lead designer on City of Heroes , most recently a content(?) designer for STO. (Did the new Tutorials Klingon and Fed side -pretty sure-) .

    There you go.
    It affects STO.

    One Matt Miller is worth Ten Al Riveras.
    And he got laid off.
    Bets on who we see next ?

    Smirk, Miller .....


    No way that's all

    Well reading through the comments on the original article on MMORPG it looks like there's another rumour about Smirk being canned as well.
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  • alfred399alfred399 Member Posts: 181 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    nyxadrill wrote: »
    Well reading through the comments on the original article on MMORPG it looks like there's another rumour about Smirk being canned as well.

    Not to mention Smirk's twitter handle has changed from PWECaptainSmirk, to THECaptainSmirk :(
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    hippiejon wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/MMODesigner/status/577797205290938369

    Matt Miller , former lead designer on City of Heroes , most recently a content(?) designer for STO. (Did the new Tutorials Klingon and Fed side -pretty sure-) .

    There you go.
    It affects STO.

    One Matt Miller is worth Ten Al Riveras.
    And he got laid off.
    Bets on who we see next ?

    Smirk, Miller .....


    No way that's all

    WOW!!! :eek: I'm kinda' shocked. :eek:

    Matt Miller was probably one of the best assets this half-arsed company ever had. This is their loss completely and believe me, they'll feel this loss soon enough. Miller.....wow, I'm still half-speachless. Really loved his work. :(

    And hippiejon, to say a Matt Miller is worth 10 Riveras is a gross understatement. There's no real way to measure the difference between awesomness and utter fail.

    At the same time, I'm kinda happy for Matt (although getting laid-off and potentially losing your livelyhood even temporarily is never a good thing) - I hope now he'll get the chance to be hired by a proper company that will apreciate the talent he brings to the table instead of working for the clown of the gaming industry.

    I wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors and employment Mr.Miller, you are one of the people I respected and apreciated most in this company. You'll be missed around here. Wind in the sails.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Hrmmm, I hate the instability that the one suggests. Cause have seen that #1 gone, #2 becomes #1, so #2 decides to go down the road when the chance presents itself rather than being the next #1 gone.

    Hrmmm, I hate what the other one suggests...as far as the future of the game itself.

    The first suggests clueless management. The second suggests a chronic demise.
  • jam3s1701jam3s1701 Member Posts: 1,825 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    virusdancer wrote: »
    Hrmmm, I hate the instability that the one suggests. Cause have seen that #1 gone, #2 becomes #1, so #2 decides to go down the road when the chance presents itself rather than being the next #1 gone.

    Hrmmm, I hate what the other one suggests...as far as the future of the game itself.

    The first suggests clueless management. The second suggests a chronic demise.

    Redundancies are a fact of life within any company regardless of who or what they are. .

    A company can still be making money and still have to lay off people.

    Just cause there is job cuts does not mean doom. . .
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    jam3s1701 wrote: »
    Redundancies are a fact of life within any company regardless of who or what they are. .

    A company can still be making money and still have to lay off people.

    Just cause there is job cuts does not mean doom. . .

    Yes, in companies with redundancies those redundancies are usually seen by some bean counter and the fat trimmed. In companies that scream out that they're understaffed though...
  • jam3s1701jam3s1701 Member Posts: 1,825 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    virusdancer wrote: »
    Yes, in companies with redundancies those redundancies are usually seen by some bean counter and the fat trimmed. In companies that scream out that they're understaffed though...

    It can still happen.

    Restructuring a company to make it more profitable in the areas it needs to be can lead to lay off else where regardless of staffing levels etc.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    jam3s1701 wrote: »
    It can still happen.

    Restructuring a company to make it more profitable in the areas it needs to be can lead to lay off else where regardless of staffing levels etc.

    Cutting off the healthy right arm to save the diseased left arm...is the wisdom espoused by a business mentality that grew out of the 80s and into the 90s. That hasn't done so well in general except for the few individuals involved in the flip.
  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,460 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    What pisses me off here is that while STO may (or may not) have redundant position, CO is heavily understaffed. And Positron becoming a CO designer would have been amazingly good publicity. They could have just transferred him over - hell, he probably could have telecommuted, if he didn't want to move to Seattle.

    Instead, he's laid off???

    Even a Picard facepalm isn't enough here...
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,951 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Smirk is no longer appearing on the dev tracker ... i hope I'm wrong cause he seemed like he was going to start taking STO in the right direction, but it looks like he may be gone ... wonder who the new EP would be if that's the case?
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  • alfred399alfred399 Member Posts: 181 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    evilmark444 wrote: »
    Smirk is no longer appearing on the dev tracker ... i hope I'm wrong cause he seemed like he was going to start taking STO in the right direction, but it looks like he may be gone ... wonder who the new EP would be if that's the case?

    Smirk wasn't the Executive Producer - that's Steve Ricossa aka Salamiinferno.

    Smirk was the Community Manager
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    evilmark444 wrote: »
    Smirk is no longer appearing on the dev tracker ... i hope I'm wrong cause he seemed like he was going to start taking STO in the right direction, but it looks like he may be gone ... wonder who the new EP would be if that's the case?

    Smirk is (or was, I don't have confirmation about his position atm) the Community Manager for STO, not the EP. The new EP is Stephen "SalamiInferno" Ricossa that replaced D'Angelo few weeks ago.

    EDIT: Ninja'd by alfred399. :D
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,951 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Screwed up then, still Smirk was a good guy, to see him get the axe over some others would be shocking. Next to Taco he's one of the few that actually seemed to care about the players.
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  • chandlerasharichandlerashari Member Posts: 348 Arc User
    edited March 2015
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  • jam3s1701jam3s1701 Member Posts: 1,825 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    evilmark444 wrote: »
    Screwed up then, still Smirk was a good guy, to see him get the axe over some others would be shocking. Next to Taco he's one of the few that actually seemed to care about the players.

    Judging that his twitter has gone personal and from what trendy has been almost saying (reading between the lines) I would say he

    He has... GONE :(

    I WANT to know what's going on man this sucks OK we won't hear the ins and outs but we need to know what's going on for the sake of the game if nothing else..

    So pls can someone at STO please let us all know what is going on.
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    valoreah wrote: »
    Matt Miller is better than Cryptic IMO.

    I have to agree with this.
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  • lucho80lucho80 Member Posts: 6,600 Bug Hunter
    edited March 2015
    Well, let's wish Smirk a fun time in his post PWE era vacations. Layoffs suck, and it's all because over in China, they're seeing low margins on US based games like STO.
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