I really don't understand peoples fascination with the Delta Quadrant, remember it gave us Neelix, Borg that were more of a comedy hour than something terrifying, Khazon and awesome hairdos, and a Captain who was so inept I truly felt that Tom Paris should have just shot her and taken them back home.
People say they want to see more of Delta Quadrant, I say just watch voyager, its been shown to death. The Gamma Quadrant is where exploration will happen, we saw a small tiny fraction of that space during the Dominion Wars, if Cryptic wanted to be totally original and have creative freedom, that's where they should go, yet, a good amount of people still want more copy paste even if they yell about it with ships :rolleyes:
I really don't understand peoples fascination with the Delta Quadrant, remember it gave us Neelix, Borg that were more of a comedy hour than something terrifying, Khazon and awesome hairdos, and a Captain who was so inept I truly felt that Tom Paris should have just shot her and taken them back home.
People say they want to see more of Delta Quadrant, I say just watch voyager, its been shown to death. The Gamma Quadrant is where exploration will happen, we saw a small tiny fraction of that space during the Dominion Wars, if Cryptic wanted to be totally original and have creative freedom, that's where they should go, yet, a good amount of people still want more copy paste even if they yell about it with ships :rolleyes:
If you remember...there was a poll 18montha or so ago asking what quadrant content everyone wanted....delta won..hence delta rising.
If I remember correctly gamma quadrant came second...so this all makes perfect sense...
Personally I can't wait for the gamma quadrant...spiral wave dhcs please?
Because if the Iconian storyline is resolved too fast, all that'll be left will be filler storylines.
It's like watching a Transformers series and wondering "Hmm, why don't you just finish the first storyline and kill off Megatron and the Decepticons?".
Because they're the main villains and thus can only be defeated at the very end of a series (unless it's cancelled before the resolution).
And hence the reason Megatron never stays dead.....
Appropriately enough I read that post while watching Bumblebee and a few random transformers try to beat up Underbite... amusingly one of the Transformers helping him is apparently a Decepticon.
I'd also like a GQ arch with Dominion antagonists. A second Dominion war would have made a far better story than the increasingly ridiculous Iconian arch if you ask me. The Dominion was also (aside presumably from a Borg incursion) the only threat able to legitimately unite the Alpha Quadrant superpowers in canon.
all that being said, it sudden occurs to me that the iconians have yet to attempt to stir things up between the dominion and any of the other factions...which is strangely odd, considering how easy it is to set off the dominion
it would only take another one of those iconian-created fleets of federation, klingon and romulan starships like the ones that entered fluidic space in the revamped Fluid Dynamics mission attacking any dominion world to spark off a second dominion war
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doubtful, the dominion choose their own fights, they are very deliberate in this.
So they're just going to up and ignore another faction taking military action against them, even if it's just small scale raids and skirmishes... I don't think so, they'd more than likely throw their entire weight behind a large scale offensive..
This could potentially leave themselves open to a sneak attack on their home world by a fleet of ships that can, apparently, appear and disappear at will, for example...
the dominion are also not as stupid as they look either, they know when they are being played as well, their entire setup is based around the founders and their empire and the founders trust no one who is a solid. its entirely possible information and characters are treated as guilty until proven innocent, but their information is always accurate.
Except when it came to the virus created by Section 31, they had no idea what it was, nor how to stop it and, IIRC, it was the crew of DS9 who assisted Odo with obtaining the cure in the end.
Their information services are clearly not infallible, and clearly do not know all, despite what propaganda they like the spew amongst their subordinates...
what possible scenario could you bring to the discussion that would invalidate or help debate your point more? because from the way i see it the dominion are harder to trick into something then it appears, the jem'hadar are smart enough to tell the difference, the vorta are highly manipulative both in telling lies and spotting them, as for the rest, even the economy of the dominion, its not needed for them, thats just a bonus means to an end.
Again, the very fact they were completely incapable of dealing with the virus created by Section 31 is clear evidence that they are indeed fallible, and I see no reason why a race which predates the Alpha, Beta, Gamma and Delta Quadrant species (besides perhaps the Voth) could not pose a threat to the Dominion...
The Iconians, or at least their servitors, created the Dyson Spheres and Gateway network... Do even the Dominion have the technology and resources to achieve anything close to this? I don't believe they do... Yes, they are technologically advanced, perhaps even more advanced than the Alpha Quadrant factions, but they are not at the same level as the Iconians...
as for the other bit i will get back to you on that at some point.
An Iconian appearing at will on Qo'nos is indeed further evidence of what I am saying, if they wanted to undermine The Dominion, it would not be impossible...
Because Iconia was bombed back to stoneage USAF style like 200k years ago. We know at least 1 iconian is alive in STO, but mabbe he's just a janitor for the gateway room. And not capable of disposing a galactic force that's controlling the Gamma quadrant.
Yes, their home world was bombed into oblivion, however the Iconians have had tens of millenia to recover and draw up plans to reconquer the known galaxy...
Alot can happen in 200,000 years - in all reality, if they are truely that old we're all dead as not even The Domion could withstand that level of technological advantage...
Look at our own planet... Even a decades' difference in weaponry can make a massive difference to the outcome of a war...
Try pitting WW1 era biplanes against today's jet aircraft... We're only talking a century's separation, imagine 2,000 centuries of separation...
Clearly, we're not all gonna die as there would be no STO in the aftermath, however, to say the Iconians do not have the ability to undermine even The Dominion is failing to consider just how ancient, and how technologically superior they are...
all that being said, it sudden occurs to me that the iconians have yet to attempt to stir things up between the dominion and any of the other factions...which is strangely odd, considering how easy it is to set off the dominion
it would only take another one of those iconian-created fleets of federation, klingon and romulan starships like the ones that entered fluidic space in the revamped Fluid Dynamics mission attacking any dominion world to spark off a second dominion war
Indeed you'd think that would have been one of their first ideas considering their modus operandi seems to be to manipulate "lesser" races into doing their bidding. There is/was enormous potential with the Dominion and I hope it's explored at some point. The Iconians being behind everything is starting to get tedious. Next it'll be the Borg, Undine and probably even the Voth. Even the super races are probably on their strings.
You don't need to create pantomime super villains to tell a story. They don't need to be cartoonishly "evil." Both sides of any conflict are in the right from their own perspective. A realistic, extremely powerful potential enemy is sitting behind a wormhole waiting for the slightest provocation to set them off. They were more than a match for the Federation, Klingons and Romulans combined, and would have won the war if not for some "celestial" intervention. The Cardassians funnily enough had a lot of fascist elements about them in DS9 especially with the Bajor occupation. Now Cardassia's current situation strikes a lot of similarities with the Treaty of Versailles. We've got the melting pot of a political war story which mirrors WW2 with them.
Missions and STFs could then be more like what you'd expect. Assaulting Dominion shipyards/supply lines, deep space dogfights, assaulting/defending planets/stations - following on from the good work they did with the Vaadwaur gameplay IMO. Getting into dogfights with bugs like an episode straight out of DS9 would beat turreting an enormous transwarp gate. I thought Korfez was well done aside from the bugs. That kind of thing against the Dominion, with allied NPC ships being our own faction rather than an assortment of random races from the other side of the galaxy we're assisting for some reason, would really create a fun setting true to the IP if you ask me.
The Dominion is not in fact "stronger than" (or even as strong as) the Iconians.
Play "The 2800". When you're about to escort the Vorta from DS9 to Facility 4028, talk to him about the Iconians (among other things). Basically, the Dominion is aware of the Iconians - and their strategy boils down to, "Try not to attract their attention. Try hard." (In fact, his advice concludes with, "If you find yourself in conflict with the Iconians, do not ask us for help. We will not give it.")
Yeah. Eraun made it VERY clear that the Dominion is not about to pick a fight with the Iconians, even alongside the Alpha and Beta Quadrant's species. And I think that the Dominion knows just as much or more about the Iconians than we do at the moment, pending Sela's intel. They had that gateway on Vandros IV for some time, so they would have had some time to do research.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
Dunno why anyone would willingly pick a fight with the Iconians, even if you could find them to take you seriously. The Dominion could hold their own but would eventually lose.
I recently read a "Rewatch" blog of Deep Space Nine, and one thing that I hadn't realized before - the Dominion might have had a powerful fleet and strong soldier, but they also used a lot of misdirection, smoke and mirrors to trick their opponents.
They managed to lure the Obsidian Ordner and the Tal'Shiar with basically just one Changling in their midst.
In the Federation, they created a panic among Starfleet Officers that led them to believe that there could be Changlings everywhere, leading almost to a military coup.
Just with a bit of rumor-mongering about Cardassia and a Changling in the Klingon Defense Force, they managed to break the alliance between Klingons and Federation and had the Klingons invade Cardassia. (BTW, yet another reason the True Way shouldn't have Dominion allies... As if attempted genocide on the Cardassians isn't enough.)
And then they faked a great assault on Deep Space Nine just so that the Klingon and Federation forces would unite at DS9 - and be swallowed by the Bajoran star going supernova - something that was only averted by the last minue.
The Dominion is certainly not infallible - but they know their enemies aren't either, and they will mislead them as much as possible.
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People say they want to see more of Delta Quadrant, I say just watch voyager, its been shown to death. The Gamma Quadrant is where exploration will happen, we saw a small tiny fraction of that space during the Dominion Wars, if Cryptic wanted to be totally original and have creative freedom, that's where they should go, yet, a good amount of people still want more copy paste even if they yell about it with ships :rolleyes:
If you remember...there was a poll 18montha or so ago asking what quadrant content everyone wanted....delta won..hence delta rising.
If I remember correctly gamma quadrant came second...so this all makes perfect sense...
Personally I can't wait for the gamma quadrant...spiral wave dhcs please?
Appropriately enough I read that post while watching Bumblebee and a few random transformers try to beat up Underbite... amusingly one of the Transformers helping him is apparently a Decepticon.
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it would only take another one of those iconian-created fleets of federation, klingon and romulan starships like the ones that entered fluidic space in the revamped Fluid Dynamics mission attacking any dominion world to spark off a second dominion war
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
So they're just going to up and ignore another faction taking military action against them, even if it's just small scale raids and skirmishes... I don't think so, they'd more than likely throw their entire weight behind a large scale offensive..
This could potentially leave themselves open to a sneak attack on their home world by a fleet of ships that can, apparently, appear and disappear at will, for example...
Except when it came to the virus created by Section 31, they had no idea what it was, nor how to stop it and, IIRC, it was the crew of DS9 who assisted Odo with obtaining the cure in the end.
Their information services are clearly not infallible, and clearly do not know all, despite what propaganda they like the spew amongst their subordinates...
Again, the very fact they were completely incapable of dealing with the virus created by Section 31 is clear evidence that they are indeed fallible, and I see no reason why a race which predates the Alpha, Beta, Gamma and Delta Quadrant species (besides perhaps the Voth) could not pose a threat to the Dominion...
The Iconians, or at least their servitors, created the Dyson Spheres and Gateway network... Do even the Dominion have the technology and resources to achieve anything close to this? I don't believe they do... Yes, they are technologically advanced, perhaps even more advanced than the Alpha Quadrant factions, but they are not at the same level as the Iconians...
An Iconian appearing at will on Qo'nos is indeed further evidence of what I am saying, if they wanted to undermine The Dominion, it would not be impossible...
Yes, their home world was bombed into oblivion, however the Iconians have had tens of millenia to recover and draw up plans to reconquer the known galaxy...
Alot can happen in 200,000 years - in all reality, if they are truely that old we're all dead as not even The Domion could withstand that level of technological advantage...
Look at our own planet... Even a decades' difference in weaponry can make a massive difference to the outcome of a war...
Try pitting WW1 era biplanes against today's jet aircraft... We're only talking a century's separation, imagine 2,000 centuries of separation...
Clearly, we're not all gonna die as there would be no STO in the aftermath, however, to say the Iconians do not have the ability to undermine even The Dominion is failing to consider just how ancient, and how technologically superior they are...
Indeed you'd think that would have been one of their first ideas considering their modus operandi seems to be to manipulate "lesser" races into doing their bidding. There is/was enormous potential with the Dominion and I hope it's explored at some point. The Iconians being behind everything is starting to get tedious. Next it'll be the Borg, Undine and probably even the Voth. Even the super races are probably on their strings.
You don't need to create pantomime super villains to tell a story. They don't need to be cartoonishly "evil." Both sides of any conflict are in the right from their own perspective. A realistic, extremely powerful potential enemy is sitting behind a wormhole waiting for the slightest provocation to set them off. They were more than a match for the Federation, Klingons and Romulans combined, and would have won the war if not for some "celestial" intervention. The Cardassians funnily enough had a lot of fascist elements about them in DS9 especially with the Bajor occupation. Now Cardassia's current situation strikes a lot of similarities with the Treaty of Versailles. We've got the melting pot of a political war story which mirrors WW2 with them.
Missions and STFs could then be more like what you'd expect. Assaulting Dominion shipyards/supply lines, deep space dogfights, assaulting/defending planets/stations - following on from the good work they did with the Vaadwaur gameplay IMO. Getting into dogfights with bugs like an episode straight out of DS9 would beat turreting an enormous transwarp gate. I thought Korfez was well done aside from the bugs. That kind of thing against the Dominion, with allied NPC ships being our own faction rather than an assortment of random races from the other side of the galaxy we're assisting for some reason, would really create a fun setting true to the IP if you ask me.
Play "The 2800". When you're about to escort the Vorta from DS9 to Facility 4028, talk to him about the Iconians (among other things). Basically, the Dominion is aware of the Iconians - and their strategy boils down to, "Try not to attract their attention. Try hard." (In fact, his advice concludes with, "If you find yourself in conflict with the Iconians, do not ask us for help. We will not give it.")
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
They managed to lure the Obsidian Ordner and the Tal'Shiar with basically just one Changling in their midst.
In the Federation, they created a panic among Starfleet Officers that led them to believe that there could be Changlings everywhere, leading almost to a military coup.
Just with a bit of rumor-mongering about Cardassia and a Changling in the Klingon Defense Force, they managed to break the alliance between Klingons and Federation and had the Klingons invade Cardassia. (BTW, yet another reason the True Way shouldn't have Dominion allies... As if attempted genocide on the Cardassians isn't enough.)
And then they faked a great assault on Deep Space Nine just so that the Klingon and Federation forces would unite at DS9 - and be swallowed by the Bajoran star going supernova - something that was only averted by the last minue.
The Dominion is certainly not infallible - but they know their enemies aren't either, and they will mislead them as much as possible.
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