They found time to install a useless memorial on Faux Romulas but after a year still cant find the time to add a Security Officer to the Planet or Command Center. We can pay our respects but cant covert contraband unless we go to alien bases in distant star systems.
Maybe one of the people in the memorial team can 5 minutes out of the hectic memorial development and plop a freaking sec officer down
You know, I'll never really understand why people like you seem so driven to act the way people like you act. I don't even think you actually enjoy it all that much because when you are a toxic person you are toxic to everybody; including yourself. But all the same, there you people go, being toxic and probably hating yourselves for it at least a little bit but all the same feeling powerless to really do anything about it.
I'd say it's sad or something, but honestly, I don't really care all that much. People like you are sort of like really ugly lawn ornaments. You depress me slightly, but only for a very brief moment.
Then life moves on, and more interesting and less depressing things make me forget all about you.
Speaking of which, it's been a while since I made cheeseburgers. I should totally make some this week.
I agree with much of the content of of your complaints, OP-but not the manner in which they are delivered.
Yes, having a memorial to Spock right outside the gates to New Romulus is a bit.....awkward. (kinda like having a memorial to Andreas Katsulas at Starfleet Academy) And it is a reminder of how divergent Cryptic's Romulans are from the ones on the shows. Yes, the Republic is missing a lot of the 'basics' that members of other factions take for basics...
But you lost me when you started ranting about Nimoy not deserving a memorial.
Perhaps New Romulus wasn't the appropriate place for it....but insulting the memory of the actor and demanding the removal of the memorial like that is going a bit too far IMO.
It's counter intuitive as well to phrase it thus- it doesn't help the 'cause' of folks like you or me who might be more fond of the Romulans as depicted in the shows rather than the milquetoast generic rebel alliance faction we got. it's pretty easy for others to give flippant dismissals to legitimate criticisms of Cryptic's Romulans when they are phrased as yours are.
I agree with much of the content of of your complaints, OP-but not the manner in which they are delivered.
Yes, having a memorial to Spock right outside the gates to New Romulus is a bit.....awkward. (kinda like having a memorial to Andreas Katsulas at Starfleet Academy) And it is a reminder of how divergent Cryptic's Romulans are from the ones on the shows. Yes, the Republic is missing a lot of the 'basics' that members of other factions take for basics...
But you lost me when you started ranting about Nimoy not deserving a memorial.
Perhaps New Romulus wasn't the appropriate place for it....but insulting the memory of the actor and demanding the removal of the memorial like that is going a bit too far IMO.
It's counter intuitive as well to phrase it thus- it doesn't help the 'cause' of folks like you or me who might be more fond of the Romulans as depicted in the shows rather than the milquetoast generic rebel alliance faction we got. it's pretty easy for others to give flippant dismissals to legitimate criticisms of Cryptic's Romulans when they are phrased as yours are.
Well... They have D'Tan for a leader, and D'Tan does exactly what I would expect him to do at this point in time. (he practically worshiped Spock in TNG)
Yeah, we all know he's a Reunificationist. But I would find it implausible that the Reunificationist movement is popular enough that a monument to the founder of the Reunificationist movement right outside the steps to the capital would be a politically...sound move.
But 90% of the way the Republic operates makes little to no sense to me, so it's a drop in the bucket at this point IMO.
There's a door just right of the transporter room that takes you outside.
never found that so thanks for the tip i will look it up next time im there.
i was pleased to see the Memorials feature the vulcan idic that represents infinite diversity in infinite combinations that represents culteral diversity in the universe, the entire Star Trek ideal, i was most proud to wear my idic pin at the star trek conventions i attended.
Yeah, we all know he's a Reunificationist. But I would find it implausible that the Reunificationist movement is popular enough that a monument to the founder of the Reunificationist movement right outside the steps to the capital would be a politically...sound move.
But 90% of the way the Republic operates makes little to no sense to me, so it's a drop in the bucket at this point IMO.
Well, how many Romulans in TNG era actually hated Vulcans(or Starfleet)? It's hard to say, but it seems like that was part of why the Tal Shiar was allowed to be so heavy handed by the government. Spock was able to make his way to the Romulan homeworld after all. So it would seem that many Romulans supported reunification even at that time.
The Romulans in TOS certainly didn't seem to hate them either. I can think of two commanders that didn't. The guy from Neutral Zone was hesitant to attack, and did so because it was his duty, and nothing more. The one from Enterprise Incident told Spock she wanted to marry him and have his babies.... (she might have been lying, but... we don't really know for sure)
So.. yeah. The Republic was founded by a reunificationist, and we know that most of his supporters were people who left the RSE because they were unhappy with the government, especially the civil war. I doesn't stretch credulity to me to say that the majority of the Republic is favorable to reunification.
Well, how many Romulans in TNG era actually hated Vulcans(or Starfleet)? It's hard to say, but it seems like that was part of why the Tal Shiar was allowed to be so heavy handed by the government. Spock was able to make his way to the Romulan homeworld after all. So it would seem that many Romulans supported reunification even at that time.
The Romulans in TOS certainly didn't seem to hate them either. I can think of two commanders that didn't. The guy from Neutral Zone was hesitant to attack, and did so because it was his duty, and nothing more. The one from Enterprise Incident told Spock she wanted to marry him and have his babies.... (she might have been lying, but... we don't really know for sure)
So.. yeah. The Republic was founded by a reunificationist, and we know that most of his supporters were people who left the RSE because they were unhappy with the government, especially the civil war. I doesn't stretch credulity to me to say that the majority of the Republic is favorable to reunification.
*correction* Spock was able to make his way to Romulus to help in the Reunificationist movement because Pardek had been working a con game for years. The Romulan government let him in as part of a plot to take over Vulcan. Spock got away with what he was doing explicitly because Sela, Pardek and Neral let him-but the government never sincerely condoned the movement.
Yes, the TOS Romulans were different than their TNG/DS9/ENT counterparts. This is also true of the Klingons and Starfleet itself. That image had been mostly abandoned in the shows for a long time running, so it is strange and convenient for Cryptic to resurrect such ideas after so much time. It's a bit hard to justify their actions from a lore standpoint IMO, when by their own admission they did what they did to the Romulans because they didn't think a depiction closer to what we saw in the shows wouldn't be as profitable as the watered-down family friendly Bajoran resistance/rebel alliance we got.
Well, how many Romulans in TNG era actually hated Vulcans(or Starfleet)? It's hard to say, but it seems like that was part of why the Tal Shiar was allowed to be so heavy handed by the government. Spock was able to make his way to the Romulan homeworld after all. So it would seem that many Romulans supported reunification even at that time.
The Romulans in TOS certainly didn't seem to hate them either. I can think of two commanders that didn't. The guy from Neutral Zone was hesitant to attack, and did so because it was his duty, and nothing more. The one from Enterprise Incident told Spock she wanted to marry him and have his babies.... (she might have been lying, but... we don't really know for sure)
So.. yeah. The Republic was founded by a reunificationist, and we know that most of his supporters were people who left the RSE because they were unhappy with the government, especially the civil war. I doesn't stretch credulity to me to say that the majority of the Republic is favorable to reunification.
According to the few non tal shiar related event we have on the RSE, it seems the average Romulan (IE non military) is just like anybody else. They just want to be left at peace.
In the episode with Troy being disguised as a Romulan in a warbird, the captain says that the civilians often blame the military for the war, but it's the Tal Shiar who start them. Which seems to indicate the Romulan population is not too fond of the warmongering aspect of the Empire.
I don't think they hate the Vulcan for anything, they technically didn't have contact for centuries. Also, while I understand the Vulcan might hate them because they are a constant reminder that burying emotion was not needed for their survival, I don't understand why the Romulan would hate them. They left Vulcan willingly after all, and didn't have any grudges toward those who stayed. Including family members and friends.
As for Spock, his case is very special, even if they do hate Vulcan for some reason, Spock is the only Vulcan who came to help them during the Hoebus incident. And while he wasn't able to prevent the Homeworld destruction, he gave his life to protect the rest of the quadrant, including Romulan colonies.
So yeah, I think the memorial have its place on New Romulus, to remember the only known Vulcan willing to give his life to save the Romulan (and Reman). Also, a security officer have its place. For others reasons.
As a Romulan player, there are enough of those Security Officers around in the game that putting one on New Romulus is completely unnecessary. Thus, due to the OP's attitude shown, I will forevermore be on the side of the fence opposing ever seeing one installed there.
*correction* Spock was able to make his way to Romulus to help in the Reunificationist movement because Pardek had been working a con game for years. The Romulan government let him in as part of a plot to take over Vulcan. Spock got away with what he was doing explicitly because Sela, Pardek and Neral let him-but the government never sincerely condoned the movement.
Yes, the TOS Romulans were different than their TNG/DS9/ENT counterparts. This is also true of the Klingons and Starfleet itself. That image had been mostly abandoned in the shows for a long time running, so it is strange and convenient for Cryptic to resurrect such ideas after so much time. It's a bit hard to justify their actions from a lore standpoint IMO, when by their own admission they did what they did to the Romulans because they didn't think a depiction closer to what we saw in the shows wouldn't be as profitable as the watered-down family friendly Bajoran resistance/rebel alliance we got.
Of course the government didn't actually condone it. That would mean eroding their power base. What I was saying is that there were many Romulans willing to support it even though the government OPPOSED it.
Of course the government didn't actually condone it. That would mean eroding their power base. What I was saying is that there were many Romulans willing to support it even though the government OPPOSED it.
The government was secretly supporting the reunificationists. We don't know what their actual numbers were. We only ever see a dozen or so reunificationists, and the transports Sela sent to Vulcan had a capacity of only a few thousand, which puts a pretty low ceiling on their numbers. We certainly don't know enough to say that their numbers were 'many', only that they enjoyed as much success as they did because the government was secretly assisting them.
As for Toreth's comments on the Tal Shiar, she's hardly an unbiased person in that regard, as her father was killed by the Tal Shiar. She's no saint herself either. But any rate, Romulans not being in favor of invading and annexing their neighbors doesn't necessarily mean they are 'like everybody else'. It just means they don't want war. Remember, TNG Romulans have a very insular-even isolationist society. That could very easily get into conflict with the military's often expansionist policies, neither of those stances require Romulans to be open to outsiders like the Reunificationists are-quite the opposite.
But like Iv'e said, Spock getting a memorial on the planet is small potatoes. There are plenty of things in the game that make far less sense from a lore perspective than a memorial to the founder of the reunification movement on New Romulus.
I say we put the sec off on top of the scaffolding so they guy who so badly wants this guy on Romulus will have him there. We will put it in that spot so he can be punished while still having his way.
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1) I have no desire to be on Alien homeworlds, I'm not Klingon or Human. I shouldn't have to go to Qonos ever for anything.
2) Believe it or not its really inconvenient. So I do the warp. Now I am sectors away from where I need/want to be. Oh an now I have a cool down so Im supposed to either travel across sector space to get back to where I need to be or sit around some alien planet for 15 minutes. I have to make a special trip at least twice a day for the sole purpose of talking to an officer that should available for my faction.
Nobody forcing you to use the contraband turn ins. plenty of other methods to aquire dil.
Don't forget, Romulans are only half a faction anyways. So maybe that's why they have half the stuff other factions have.
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I will not let the childish acts of a criminal ruin this game for me.
-The actions of Cryptic, on the other hand......
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You know, I'll never really understand why people like you seem so driven to act the way people like you act. I don't even think you actually enjoy it all that much because when you are a toxic person you are toxic to everybody; including yourself. But all the same, there you people go, being toxic and probably hating yourselves for it at least a little bit but all the same feeling powerless to really do anything about it.
I'd say it's sad or something, but honestly, I don't really care all that much. People like you are sort of like really ugly lawn ornaments. You depress me slightly, but only for a very brief moment.
Then life moves on, and more interesting and less depressing things make me forget all about you.
Speaking of which, it's been a while since I made cheeseburgers. I should totally make some this week.
Yes, having a memorial to Spock right outside the gates to New Romulus is a bit.....awkward. (kinda like having a memorial to Andreas Katsulas at Starfleet Academy) And it is a reminder of how divergent Cryptic's Romulans are from the ones on the shows. Yes, the Republic is missing a lot of the 'basics' that members of other factions take for basics...
But you lost me when you started ranting about Nimoy not deserving a memorial.
Perhaps New Romulus wasn't the appropriate place for it....but insulting the memory of the actor and demanding the removal of the memorial like that is going a bit too far IMO.
It's counter intuitive as well to phrase it thus- it doesn't help the 'cause' of folks like you or me who might be more fond of the Romulans as depicted in the shows rather than the milquetoast generic rebel alliance faction we got. it's pretty easy for others to give flippant dismissals to legitimate criticisms of Cryptic's Romulans when they are phrased as yours are.
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...but he drowned it.
But 90% of the way the Republic operates makes little to no sense to me, so it's a drop in the bucket at this point IMO.
never found that so thanks for the tip i will look it up next time im there.
i was pleased to see the Memorials feature the vulcan idic that represents infinite diversity in infinite combinations that represents culteral diversity in the universe, the entire Star Trek ideal, i was most proud to wear my idic pin at the star trek conventions i attended.
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/1/12/VulcanIDIC.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20050306030400&path-prefix=en
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Doesn't sound like a faux Romulan to me
The Romulans in TOS certainly didn't seem to hate them either. I can think of two commanders that didn't. The guy from Neutral Zone was hesitant to attack, and did so because it was his duty, and nothing more. The one from Enterprise Incident told Spock she wanted to marry him and have his babies.... (she might have been lying, but... we don't really know for sure)
So.. yeah. The Republic was founded by a reunificationist, and we know that most of his supporters were people who left the RSE because they were unhappy with the government, especially the civil war. I doesn't stretch credulity to me to say that the majority of the Republic is favorable to reunification.
My character Tsin'xing
Yes, the TOS Romulans were different than their TNG/DS9/ENT counterparts. This is also true of the Klingons and Starfleet itself. That image had been mostly abandoned in the shows for a long time running, so it is strange and convenient for Cryptic to resurrect such ideas after so much time. It's a bit hard to justify their actions from a lore standpoint IMO, when by their own admission they did what they did to the Romulans because they didn't think a depiction closer to what we saw in the shows wouldn't be as profitable as the watered-down family friendly Bajoran resistance/rebel alliance we got.
In the episode with Troy being disguised as a Romulan in a warbird, the captain says that the civilians often blame the military for the war, but it's the Tal Shiar who start them. Which seems to indicate the Romulan population is not too fond of the warmongering aspect of the Empire.
I don't think they hate the Vulcan for anything, they technically didn't have contact for centuries. Also, while I understand the Vulcan might hate them because they are a constant reminder that burying emotion was not needed for their survival, I don't understand why the Romulan would hate them. They left Vulcan willingly after all, and didn't have any grudges toward those who stayed. Including family members and friends.
As for Spock, his case is very special, even if they do hate Vulcan for some reason, Spock is the only Vulcan who came to help them during the Hoebus incident. And while he wasn't able to prevent the Homeworld destruction, he gave his life to protect the rest of the quadrant, including Romulan colonies.
So yeah, I think the memorial have its place on New Romulus, to remember the only known Vulcan willing to give his life to save the Romulan (and Reman). Also, a security officer have its place. For others reasons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygE01sOhzz0
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As for Toreth's comments on the Tal Shiar, she's hardly an unbiased person in that regard, as her father was killed by the Tal Shiar. She's no saint herself either. But any rate, Romulans not being in favor of invading and annexing their neighbors doesn't necessarily mean they are 'like everybody else'. It just means they don't want war. Remember, TNG Romulans have a very insular-even isolationist society. That could very easily get into conflict with the military's often expansionist policies, neither of those stances require Romulans to be open to outsiders like the Reunificationists are-quite the opposite.
But like Iv'e said, Spock getting a memorial on the planet is small potatoes. There are plenty of things in the game that make far less sense from a lore perspective than a memorial to the founder of the reunification movement on New Romulus.
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Nobody forcing you to use the contraband turn ins. plenty of other methods to aquire dil.
Don't forget, Romulans are only half a faction anyways. So maybe that's why they have half the stuff other factions have.
-Rule of Acquisition #113: Always have sex with the boss.
-I am one of the many victims from the hijacked Caspian Division.
I will not let the childish acts of a criminal ruin this game for me.
-The actions of Cryptic, on the other hand......