If they meant T6, they would have said T6. They did not.
They did actually. The blog for the previous JHAS promo actually specifically said it would get a free T6 upgrade at the launch of Delta Rising. It did not.
They did actually. The blog for the previous JHAS promo actually specifically said it would get a free T6 upgrade at the launch of Delta Rising. It did not.
T6 capabilities was the screenshot of that I saw - The capabilities is the hedge. If they meant T6 it would have simply said T6, not T6 capabilities.
If they meant T6, they would have said T6. They did not.
They did. In the blog that says T6 capabilities. It's clearly not getting them so someone goofed on the blog.
Edit: the jhas has t5u capabilities. It's what makes t5u what is. It's not the step up to t6 capabilities people were led to believe they were getting.
If you've come to the forums to complain about the AFK system, it's known to be bugged at the moment.
For re-released ship simply provide an upgrade path through the R&D system that require player's to invest once again in Dilithium store materials or C-Store packs to get the materials.
This uses existing systems to allow player's that already have the ship upgrade it
But Also...
Release the new T6 ship for player's that don't already have it.
There may be a more technical reason like issue with the ship (database tables) or how the player's data is overly complicated to manipulate or lack of a DBA on staff to do the work.
But whatever if the communities concerns are not heard by the dev team mores the pity.
I don't understand why people take criticism of Cryptic so personally.
Probaly the same reason people take the release of new higher level ships so personaly.
But jokes aside some people actualy like the game, they don't get all frothing with rage over some other player having a higher DPS or whatever than they do so for them nothing has changed and the game remains a enjoyable pass time. People defend things they like, that's basic human nature.
Players want a ship that's just "buy one and done" with free upgrades forever? Well, you should probably know by now that 's not how Cryptic operates.
Like I explained before, Bug ship is actually kinda meh, stats-wise: a slightly buffed, lowly T1 Fleet Patrol Escort (with some extra turn rate, and a console swapped). It has long since been surpassed as 'the best ship ever.' People got it, though, because it's a vanity item (like the 'monocle' in EvE). As a prestige vanity object, it was extremely expensive (500+ mil). I think ppl are upset because they're vanity item just got made worthless overnight.
Personally, I believe these ultra-rare vanity items, that are periodically briefly re-released every year so, should retain their value somehow, and Cryptic should auto-scale them with the latest and shiniest, else there's no point in ever getting them.
Why Cryptic? why &@%$^# us over again. I hate this nonsense, I don't mind spending zen to upgrade my t5 ships to t6, but I am not upgrading to t5u not even my lockbox/lobi ships that I can do for free and won't buy ANY new ship especially not the T6 ship.
I got 2000+ mil EC and 8 mil Dill. It is not about the money, it is the feeling you don't care about us. Most of us have invest heavily to get the jhas, and now you say please trash it and get a new one.
I will be sitting on my dill for a long long long very long time, till you guy care about us again. To bad you guy don't see you are digging your own grave.
Already they've made profit off the JHSS; look at how many are being won and imagine the low success rates for getting one, and the number of packs it probably took.
Players want a ship that's just "buy one and done" with free upgrades forever? Well, you should probably know by now that 's not how Cryptic operates.
There's a rather elegant and fully functional system for this?
Wanna hear?
Let's go:
R&D
The system is already in the game. They could allow players to craft Tier 6 Upgrade Tokens which brings a Tier 5 OR Tier 5-U upto full Tier 6 standard. No need to re-release a ship at all. AND they could turn a profit. Wanna know how?
Make the R&D Craft, require an item that is only sold on the C-Store, and which is normally Account Bound/Bind on Pickup. The item could be sold for say 500 Zen, and used in conjunction with existing R&D materials to craft the upgrade tokens. The tokens themselves would be Bind on Equip, and can be re-sold on the Exchange. Cryptic wins. Players wins. EVERYBODY WINS!
But nooooo.... Cryptic has to go the money-gouging, capitalist hungry route, and re-releasing a similar ship, with similar stats, with an OP trait and a somewhat useless console.
There's a rather elegant and fully functional system for this?
Wanna hear?
Let's go:
R&D
The system is already in the game. They could allow players to craft Tier 6 Upgrade Tokens which brings a Tier 5 OR Tier 5-U upto full Tier 6 standard. No need to re-release a ship at all. AND they could turn a profit. Wanna know how?
Make the R&D Craft, require an item that is only sold on the C-Store, and which is normally Account Bound/Bind on Pickup. The item could be sold for say 500 Zen, and used in conjunction with existing R&D materials to craft the upgrade tokens. The tokens themselves would be Bind on Equip, and can be re-sold on the Exchange. Cryptic wins. Players wins. EVERYBODY WINS!
But nooooo.... Cryptic has to go the money-gouging, capitalist hungry route, and re-releasing a similar ship, with similar stats, with an OP trait and a somewhat useless console.
People who DONOT have it are just SO jealous of those who DO.
To envy is human For the longest time people were salivating over it...they would not just admitt it.
IMO the T6 is inferior to the T5U and nothing to write home about it. For those who don't have either they will still wish they could have one...regardless of many glorious insults they can come up with. No other ship will compare close to those ones...then again to each its own and jealousy granted too
I wanted to take a moment to respond to the concerns over the blog text from last year that mentioned that the T5 JemHadar Attack Ship would be upgradable to T6 capability. That blog was originally written and released before the introduction of the concept of T5-U ships, so while we meant it could get upgraded to T5-U we couldnt outright mention this new type of ship at that time. When we released the chart that explained which ships would receive the free upgrade to T5-U, the JemHadar Attack Ship was listed among their ranks. We will be correcting the incorrect text from the original blog, and I would like to personally apologize for the misinformation.
I hope Ive helped to clear things up, and I will continue to work towards improving our communication with everyone in the community.
I wanted to take a moment to respond to the concerns over the blog text from last year that mentioned that the T5 JemHadar Attack Ship would be upgradable to T6 capability. That blog was originally written and released before the introduction of the concept of T5-U ships, so while we meant it could get upgraded to T5-U we couldnt outright mention this new type of ship at that time. When we released the chart that explained which ships would receive the free upgrade to T5-U, the JemHadar Attack Ship was listed among their ranks. We will be correcting the incorrect text from the original blog, and I would like to personally apologize for the misinformation.
I hope Ive helped to clear things up, and I will continue to work towards improving our communication with everyone in the community.
Stephen Ricossa
Executive Producer
There's no way this is true. The idea of an upgraded ship that is not tier 6 but close was announced at the same time as tier 6.
Probaly the same reason people take the release of new higher level ships so personaly.
But jokes aside some people actualy like the game, they don't get all frothing with rage over some other player having a higher DPS or whatever than they do so for them nothing has changed and the game remains a enjoyable pass time. People defend things they like, that's basic human nature.
I can say maybe doing a mission once every 6 months or so will do it for me now that I know that nothing is really changing with the game. As well I know one person cannot take this personally is the guy who returned to the EP chair and claimed it won't be like last time and we are going to make this game and not boring like it has been. Then we see this knock off gear grind TRIBBLE and now this oh yer old ship you had to gambled for is being replaced with another gamble ship lol. I mean seriously why is anyone going to do lockboxes any more if they know on top of it being a low low chance to get that it also can be not nerfed but completely obsolete as far as where the game went with DR aand continuing on.
I have seen in other games how they can do lockboxes without it feeling like their gameplay isn't going to be reduced if they don't participate but still holding value in doing them if you want too. I just think that the decisions being made with STO show sto has no future other than level cap implosions and gear grinds and if they take it personally well its their own fault they can no longer become unprofessional and blame their own shortcomings on their customers.
I wanted to take a moment to respond to the concerns over the blog text from last year that mentioned that the T5 JemHadar Attack Ship would be upgradable to T6 capability. That blog was originally written and released before the introduction of the concept of T5-U ships, so while we meant it could get upgraded to T5-U we couldnt outright mention this new type of ship at that time. When we released the chart that explained which ships would receive the free upgrade to T5-U, the JemHadar Attack Ship was listed among their ranks. We will be correcting the incorrect text from the original blog, and I would like to personally apologize for the misinformation.
I hope Ive helped to clear things up, and I will continue to work towards improving our communication with everyone in the community.
Stephen Ricossa
Executive Producer
Thank you for this (very reasonable) explanation!
And I'd like to take this opportunity to say I like your style. I feel STO is in good hands with you!
Thanks for coming on and stating your position Salami. It doesn't make any difference, the damage is done now, altering the original blog will just make it look like you're covering up a mistake imo.
Do you understand the level of grief this has caused, we are not talking about a 2000/3000 zen ship that can be upgraded to T5-U or T6 capabilities (or whatever other nebulous term you choose) we are talking about a ship that people literally spent hundreds, perhaps thousands of dollars on. By all means update it, but that update path should be included for existing owners. If not then you are putting your pinnacle of performance, your crown jewel of the game in with the same basket as every other ship. This ship is special, it should be treated as such.
I completely agree. I wouldn't mind at all spending some zen or lobi to upgrade it, but please allow us to get the upgraded version from our existing ships.
I wanted to take a moment to respond to the concerns over the blog text from last year that mentioned that the T5 JemHadar Attack Ship would be upgradable to T6 capability. That blog was originally written and released before the introduction of the concept of T5-U ships, so while we meant it could get upgraded to T5-U we couldnt outright mention this new type of ship at that time. When we released the chart that explained which ships would receive the free upgrade to T5-U, the JemHadar Attack Ship was listed among their ranks. We will be correcting the incorrect text from the original blog, and I would like to personally apologize for the misinformation.
I hope Ive helped to clear things up, and I will continue to work towards improving our communication with everyone in the community.
Stephen Ricossa
Executive Producer
Thank you for the explanation. I was wondering if you would be open to making any small changes to the JemHadar Attack Ship for those who feel that it should have been upgraded. Not to match the new strike ship but to buff it a bit? Maybe Add one boff ability? Change the weapons layout to add a 5th fore weapon. That way it still feels a bit more viable.
There's no way this is true. The idea of an upgraded ship that is not tier 6 but close was announced at the same time as tier 6.
For the longest time, in this thread, I argued along the same lines. But now I'm beginning to see that maybe holding them to 'T6 Capable', whist things like T5-U hadn't been clearly defined yet, is a wee unreasonable on my end.
I stlll, btw, absolutely stand by what I said about what 'T6 Capable' means, by today's standards. But for when it was released, I can see how there must have been a grey area. And it's always good not to assume malice, when a far more reasonable explanation is prevalent.
The man explained it, apologized for it, and changed the wording. Case Closed for me.
For the longest time, in this thread, I argued along the same lines. But now I'm beginning to see that maybe holding them to 'T6 Capable', whist things like T5-U hadn't been clearly defined yet, is a wee unreasonable on my end.
I stlll, btw, absolutely stand by what I said about what 'T6 Capable' means, by today's standards. But for when it was released, I can see how there must have been a grey area. And it's always good not to assume malice, when a far more reasonable explanation is prevalent.
The man explained it, apologized for it, and changed the wording. Case Closed for me.
And now, the wording is "Tier 5U starship capabilities"
I wanted to take a moment to respond to the concerns over the blog text from last year that mentioned that the T5 JemHadar Attack Ship would be upgradable to T6 capability. That blog was originally written and released before the introduction of the concept of T5-U ships, so while we meant it could get upgraded to T5-U we couldnt outright mention this new type of ship at that time. When we released the chart that explained which ships would receive the free upgrade to T5-U, the JemHadar Attack Ship was listed among their ranks. We will be correcting the incorrect text from the original blog, and I would like to personally apologize for the misinformation.
I hope Ive helped to clear things up, and I will continue to work towards improving our communication with everyone in the community.
Stephen Ricossa
Executive Producer
It is outrageous that you changed it to begin with, if it was just a "technical error" but you should remedy the solution by not gouging your player base that already spent considerable amounts of money on the game to acquire these ships in the first place. They should have the T6 option for free. Help repair some of the damage that has been done to the community over the years and make it look like you think of us as if we aren't a bunch of cash cows waiting to be milked.
I wanted to take a moment to respond to the concerns over the blog text from last year that mentioned that the T5 JemHadar Attack Ship would be upgradable to T6 capability. That blog was originally written and released before the introduction of the concept of T5-U ships, so while we meant it could get upgraded to T5-U we couldnt outright mention this new type of ship at that time. When we released the chart that explained which ships would receive the free upgrade to T5-U, the JemHadar Attack Ship was listed among their ranks. We will be correcting the incorrect text from the original blog, and I would like to personally apologize for the misinformation.
I hope Ive helped to clear things up, and I will continue to work towards improving our communication with everyone in the community.
Stephen Ricossa
Executive Producer
This is absolute bull****, you said one thing and then later decided to change it to another so you could make more money. And by that you screwed everyone who worked hard on getting the JHAS, thanks allot... :mad:
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They did actually. The blog for the previous JHAS promo actually specifically said it would get a free T6 upgrade at the launch of Delta Rising. It did not.
T6 capabilities was the screenshot of that I saw - The capabilities is the hedge. If they meant T6 it would have simply said T6, not T6 capabilities.
T6 capabilities cannot be interpreted as t5u capabilities.
They did. In the blog that says T6 capabilities. It's clearly not getting them so someone goofed on the blog.
Edit: the jhas has t5u capabilities. It's what makes t5u what is. It's not the step up to t6 capabilities people were led to believe they were getting.
This uses existing systems to allow player's that already have the ship upgrade it
But Also...
Release the new T6 ship for player's that don't already have it.
There may be a more technical reason like issue with the ship (database tables) or how the player's data is overly complicated to manipulate or lack of a DBA on staff to do the work.
But whatever if the communities concerns are not heard by the dev team mores the pity.
So, yeah, why can't they spell Jem'Hadar properly?!
Probaly the same reason people take the release of new higher level ships so personaly.
But jokes aside some people actualy like the game, they don't get all frothing with rage over some other player having a higher DPS or whatever than they do so for them nothing has changed and the game remains a enjoyable pass time. People defend things they like, that's basic human nature.
Like I explained before, Bug ship is actually kinda meh, stats-wise: a slightly buffed, lowly T1 Fleet Patrol Escort (with some extra turn rate, and a console swapped). It has long since been surpassed as 'the best ship ever.' People got it, though, because it's a vanity item (like the 'monocle' in EvE). As a prestige vanity object, it was extremely expensive (500+ mil). I think ppl are upset because they're vanity item just got made worthless overnight.
Personally, I believe these ultra-rare vanity items, that are periodically briefly re-released every year so, should retain their value somehow, and Cryptic should auto-scale them with the latest and shiniest, else there's no point in ever getting them.
I got 2000+ mil EC and 8 mil Dill. It is not about the money, it is the feeling you don't care about us. Most of us have invest heavily to get the jhas, and now you say please trash it and get a new one.
I will be sitting on my dill for a long long long very long time, till you guy care about us again. To bad you guy don't see you are digging your own grave.
Already they've made profit off the JHSS; look at how many are being won and imagine the low success rates for getting one, and the number of packs it probably took.
There's a rather elegant and fully functional system for this?
Wanna hear?
Let's go:
R&D
The system is already in the game. They could allow players to craft Tier 6 Upgrade Tokens which brings a Tier 5 OR Tier 5-U upto full Tier 6 standard. No need to re-release a ship at all. AND they could turn a profit. Wanna know how?
Make the R&D Craft, require an item that is only sold on the C-Store, and which is normally Account Bound/Bind on Pickup. The item could be sold for say 500 Zen, and used in conjunction with existing R&D materials to craft the upgrade tokens. The tokens themselves would be Bind on Equip, and can be re-sold on the Exchange. Cryptic wins. Players wins. EVERYBODY WINS!
But nooooo.... Cryptic has to go the money-gouging, capitalist hungry route, and re-releasing a similar ship, with similar stats, with an OP trait and a somewhat useless console.
I vote for this Idea
To envy is human
IMO the T6 is inferior to the T5U and nothing to write home about it. For those who don't have either they will still wish they could have one...regardless of many glorious insults they can come up with. No other ship will compare close to those ones...then again to each its own and jealousy granted too
I hope Ive helped to clear things up, and I will continue to work towards improving our communication with everyone in the community.
Stephen Ricossa
Executive Producer
There's no way this is true. The idea of an upgraded ship that is not tier 6 but close was announced at the same time as tier 6.
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I can say maybe doing a mission once every 6 months or so will do it for me now that I know that nothing is really changing with the game. As well I know one person cannot take this personally is the guy who returned to the EP chair and claimed it won't be like last time and we are going to make this game and not boring like it has been. Then we see this knock off gear grind TRIBBLE and now this oh yer old ship you had to gambled for is being replaced with another gamble ship lol. I mean seriously why is anyone going to do lockboxes any more if they know on top of it being a low low chance to get that it also can be not nerfed but completely obsolete as far as where the game went with DR aand continuing on.
I have seen in other games how they can do lockboxes without it feeling like their gameplay isn't going to be reduced if they don't participate but still holding value in doing them if you want too. I just think that the decisions being made with STO show sto has no future other than level cap implosions and gear grinds and if they take it personally well its their own fault they can no longer become unprofessional and blame their own shortcomings on their customers.
Thank you for this (very reasonable) explanation!
And I'd like to take this opportunity to say I like your style. I feel STO is in good hands with you!
I completely agree. I wouldn't mind at all spending some zen or lobi to upgrade it, but please allow us to get the upgraded version from our existing ships.
Thank you for the explanation. I was wondering if you would be open to making any small changes to the JemHadar Attack Ship for those who feel that it should have been upgraded. Not to match the new strike ship but to buff it a bit? Maybe Add one boff ability? Change the weapons layout to add a 5th fore weapon. That way it still feels a bit more viable.
For the longest time, in this thread, I argued along the same lines. But now I'm beginning to see that maybe holding them to 'T6 Capable', whist things like T5-U hadn't been clearly defined yet, is a wee unreasonable on my end.
I stlll, btw, absolutely stand by what I said about what 'T6 Capable' means, by today's standards. But for when it was released, I can see how there must have been a grey area. And it's always good not to assume malice, when a far more reasonable explanation is prevalent.
The man explained it, apologized for it, and changed the wording. Case Closed for me.
I agree. I'm still hoping for a small buff to the jhas as a nice token. Worse they can say is no.
And now, the wording is "Tier 5U starship capabilities"
Yep, they kept the "capabilities" anyway.
It is outrageous that you changed it to begin with, if it was just a "technical error" but you should remedy the solution by not gouging your player base that already spent considerable amounts of money on the game to acquire these ships in the first place. They should have the T6 option for free. Help repair some of the damage that has been done to the community over the years and make it look like you think of us as if we aren't a bunch of cash cows waiting to be milked.
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This is absolute bull****, you said one thing and then later decided to change it to another so you could make more money. And by that you screwed everyone who worked hard on getting the JHAS, thanks allot... :mad: