Now that's out my system, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, but yes they did say the Bug was going up to T6, so really I can foresee a lot of upset over this, and I can fully understand it, this is just another cash grab from Cryptic and sad to see how blatant it is but it just goes to show there's no shame in this company any more
this totally exposes their blatant lies about the previous bug ship promo. its a total ripoff and will be the most superior scort ingame with command/intel hybrid boff seating. its hilarious!
This is the worst company I've ever seen. So sad to see what once was a good game trashed.
Really? I can think of worse. BP and their oil spill disaster a few years back for example, or perhaps more recently Lenovo and their cute little bloatware mishap.
Cryptic are at least consistent, and everyone really should not be even fazed by such things by now.
For the record what they have done is Illegal in Canada... I won't bother digging up other countries statues.
They where completely complaint with the law right up until they decided to release an ACTUAL T6 Version of the ship in question. With out one existing they where free to claim that there words meant T5-U... and although we all know better it would not have been provable. Now that they are in fact selling this new T6 Version... which was advertised previously. They are in violation of this Canadian Statue.
Consumer Packaging and Labelling Act (R.S.C., 1985, c. C-38)
7. (1) No dealer shall apply to any prepackaged product or sell, import into Canada or advertise any prepackaged product that has applied to it a label containing any false or misleading representation that relates to or may reasonably be regarded as relating to that product.
(2) For the purposes of this section, false or misleading representation includes
(a) any representation in which expressions, words, figures, depictions or symbols are used, arranged or shown in a manner that may reasonably be regarded as qualifying the declared net quantity of a prepackaged product or as likely to deceive a consumer with respect to the net quantity of a prepackaged product;
(b) any expression, word, figure, depiction or symbol that implies or may reasonably be regarded as implying that a prepackaged product contains any matter not contained in it or does not contain any matter in fact contained in it; and
(c) any description or illustration of the type, quality, performance, function, origin or method of manufacture or production of a prepackaged product that may reasonably be regarded as likely to deceive a consumer with respect to the matter so described or illustrated.
Really? I can think of worse. BP and their oil spill disaster a few years back for example, or perhaps more recently Lenovo and their cute little bloatware mishap.
Cryptic are at least consistent, and everyone really should not be even fazed by such things by now.
They already clarified that awhile back with the T5U = T6 posts they've made way back, so they at least covered their T5U = "T6 Capabilities" stance.
And since this is a new ship with enough differences to class it as new, rather than the old one (much like the Pathfinder vs older Intrepid variants), it's technically a new product; just with an option to use the old skin.
They already clarified that awhile back with the T5U = T6 posts they've made way back, so they at least covered their T5U = "T6 Capabilities" stance.
And since this is a new ship with enough differences to class it as new, rather than the old one (much like the Pathfinder vs older Intrepid variants), it's technically a new product; just with an option to use the old skin.
Lol, the anger will grow once they announce the boff seating and what the trait does.
Not so hard to understand if you know Cryptic-speak. It's a derivative of jive.
We all suspected at the time cause you know, Cryptic.
However they made a point of saying T5U for other ships... and T6 Capabilities on the attack ship, cause there was a promo underway cashing in on that one at the time.
Lol, the anger will grow once they announce the boff seating and what the trait does.
Of course it will. It did for the Pathfinder.
With that being said; some did try to bring up the laws of their area to argue why the T5 Intrepid should be given the T6 upgrade, and were promptly shut down.
So to say it bluntly; one can try taking them to court, but good luck winning. They've covered their bases enough.
For the record what they have done is Illegal in Canada... I won't bother digging up other countries statues.
They where completely complaint with the law right up until they decided to release an ACTUAL T6 Version of the ship in question. With out one existing they where free to claim that there words meant T5-U... and although we all know better it would not have been provable. Now that they are in fact selling this new T6 Version... which was advertised previously. They are in violation of this Canadian Statue.
Consumer Packaging and Labelling Act (R.S.C., 1985, c. C-38)
7. (1) No dealer shall apply to any prepackaged product or sell, import into Canada or advertise any prepackaged product that has applied to it a label containing any false or misleading representation that relates to or may reasonably be regarded as relating to that product.
(2) For the purposes of this section, false or misleading representation includes
(a) any representation in which expressions, words, figures, depictions or symbols are used, arranged or shown in a manner that may reasonably be regarded as qualifying the declared net quantity of a prepackaged product or as likely to deceive a consumer with respect to the net quantity of a prepackaged product;
(b) any expression, word, figure, depiction or symbol that implies or may reasonably be regarded as implying that a prepackaged product contains any matter not contained in it or does not contain any matter in fact contained in it; and
(c) any description or illustration of the type, quality, performance, function, origin or method of manufacture or production of a prepackaged product that may reasonably be regarded as likely to deceive a consumer with respect to the matter so described or illustrated.
rotf, pls don't try to be a legal advisor as you're terrible@it.
With that being said; some did try to bring up the laws of their area to argue why the T5 Intrepid should be given the T6 upgrade, and were promptly shut down.
So to say it bluntly; one can try taking them to court, but good luck winning. They've covered their bases enough.
They clearly mislabeled a product. They did this while it was on Sale. Had they did this to products people had already purchased under an old agreement, they would be in the clear.
Had the refused to ever release a Real T6 Attack ship... they could likewise claim that by T6 Capable they where referencing there T5-U level.
However taking both things into account... they are in violation of Canadian law at the least. I do know however that American laws are almost identical as are British and EU laws.
rotf, pls don't try to be a legal advisor as you're terrible@it.
I'm a member of the Manitoba Bar association, and have defended clients on this very statute. Of course no one is really going to launch proceedings over the Attack ship... however that doesn't mean Cryptic isn't in the wrong legally on this one.
Could someone explain to me what precisely is the big deal with this? I'm not arguing, I really am curious what the difference between T5U and T6 is, other than the traits thing.
Last week all the threads were how T6 ships were not catching on because T5U ships were almost identical in performance. Now it appears it's swinging the other way and T5U ships are garbage and T6 are must have or fail.
I'm flying a T5U FA and since T6 ships have arrived I haven't noticed any marked difference in my ship's performance in PVE. Is the frustration because of differences made by T6 in PvP?
I got the T6 Kobali ship, looked at it and left it in dry dock, it really doesn't strike me as worth trading the FA's cool factor that I like, for a trait on a ship I don't like the looks of.
Could someone explain to me what precisely is the big deal with this? I'm not arguing, I really am curious what the difference between T5U and T6 is, other than the traits thing.
Last week all the threads were how T6 ships were not catching on because T5U ships were almost identical in performance. Now it appears it's swinging the other way and T5U ships are garbage and T6 are must have or fail.
I'm flying a T5U FA and since T6 ships have arrived I haven't noticed any marked difference in my ship's performance in PVE. Is the frustration because of differences made by T6 in PvP?
I got the T6 Kobali ship, looked at it and left it in dry dock, it really doesn't strike me as worth trading the FA's cool factor that I like, for a trait on a ship I don't like the looks of.
Hmmm simple question :
T5 Bug Ship vs. T6 Bug Ship .... now let's hire some rocket-scientists, to figure out which one is better ...
Patch Notes : Resolved an Issue, where people would accidently experience Fun.
I bought the scryer for the trait on the last sale here and it is absolute garbage next to my vesta.
The Vesta does twice the damage and is more durable.
Now if there ever is a T6 Vesta or Xindi Aquatic - sign me up!
Why dont you just "pretend" the t5 vesta/aquatic it's a T6 and ENJOY!...isnt it the same they're doing with the JASH...same ship just called it T6
I'm a member of the Manitoba Bar association, and have defended clients on this very statue. Of course no one is really going to launch proceedings over the Attack ship... however that doesn't mean Cryptic isn't in the wrong legally on this one.
Down in Puerto Rico, you could sue them in small claims court for false advertising. Much stricter with advertising than in the mainland US where they can then issue a statement saying they were wrong and get away with it. Because they did advertise a T6 ship, they'll be forced by the court to give you the T6 ship if you obtained the Bug ship during the R&D promotion with the understanding you would get a T6 ship AND pay a penalty for breaking that law. Works pretty well. Comp USA once mistakenly advertised Photoshop (not the upgrade which was the intended product) for only $60. They refused to sell it to my father, he took them to court, and they ended up having to sell it to him at $60 (A $700 product) plus pay a $100 fine.
Could someone explain to me what precisely is the big deal with this? I'm not arguing, I really am curious what the difference between T5U and T6 is, other than the traits thing.
Last week all the threads were how T6 ships were not catching on because T5U ships were almost identical in performance. Now it appears it's swinging the other way and T5U ships are garbage and T6 are must have or fail.
I'm flying a T5U FA and since T6 ships have arrived I haven't noticed any marked difference in my ship's performance in PVE. Is the frustration because of differences made by T6 in PvP?
I got the T6 Kobali ship, looked at it and left it in dry dock, it really doesn't strike me as worth trading the FA's cool factor that I like, for a trait on a ship I don't like the looks of.
actually since day 1 ppl have been argueing back and forth on this subject with no real answer....many still try to claim T6 makes all other ships obsolete but in my experience they are only marginally better (at least for a PVE standpoint). Depending on stats and boff seating there are quite a few T6s that are considered inferior their T5U conterparts
whether a ship is good or not should be evaluated on a case by case basis regardless of Tier
frankly I think until they actually release the stats on this "new bug" , i'm going to reserve my judgement on the similarities
frankly I think until they actually release the stats on this "new bug" , i'm going to reserve my judgement on the similarities
And this is the appropriate response instead of jumping to conclusions. The whole Tier 6 capabilities never meant it was a Tier 6 ship, but it was comparable to a Tier 6 ship. After all, the only real difference between T5-U ships and Tier 6 ships is the starship trait, specialization slots, and the extra bridge officer power.
The Tier 5-U Long Range Science Vessel Retrofit has 10 consoles and 12 bridge officer abilities while the Pathfinder has 10 consoles and 13 bridge officer abilities while everything else is about the same. So the only real difference between the JHAS and JHSS at this point is having an extra bridge officer ability. After all, it is not like you can put Surgical Strike 3 on the JHSS.
Why don't they just sell an "fully upgradable token" for those who already own a JHAS T5 to convert to JHSS T6. I don't see what they would do with the other epic ships like the Cardi, aquatic or the voth dread. They are going to TRIBBLE off those who "spent" huge amounts of cash into this game...NOT cool :P
... who needs to play the game for entertainment, the blogs and resulting forum storms are far more entertaining and free! Free 2 Laugh!
Ok, This is goona sound like I'm siding with cryptic bet let me explain that I'm not! I'm quite sad this happened, but I knew it would before long so now I have to put this here...
Why would you expect a 30 year old (or more) to be a t6? you wouldn't, t5-u is as high as they go. look at all the ships from that generation. all are t5-u. Cryptic has taken the base models of some of the more iconic ships and gave them a new and updated flare, new ships t6. complain as much as you like but in the end they are just adding a updated version of iconic ships. I saw this coming back when they released the pathfinder. Since the game is now geared towards t6 WHY would you expect the promotions to grant a t5 ship? why would you bother? This is the second permotion to include a t6 ship and they even updated the damn bug. BE HAPPY!! It's a better version of the same ship, likely to include some form of hybrid seating. Im sorry for you lot who bought it for 400m on the exchange or to those of you who payed hundreds during promotions just to get the bug....But if your willing to spend it for that one little ship I do not feel sorry for you.
Quit the entitlement talk. It's a different ship. you were willing to pay obscenely to get it once, do so again. stop acting like you were screwed over when you CHOSE to pay for it. And t5-u is just as good as any t6 without the pretty new look, a starship trait, and wooo... 1 extra boff slot!! maybe console too if it is fleet level t6.
I personally think this is great! a new chance to get the bug ship but at t6 instead of the overpriced t5. For the record, since the delta update I have seen a handfull of bugs about, thats it. If it's so good, why is next to no one flying the 400m ship?
And this is the appropriate response instead of jumping to conclusions. The whole Tier 6 capabilities never meant it was a Tier 6 ship, but it was comparable to a Tier 6 ship. After all, the only real difference between T5-U ships and Tier 6 ships is the starship trait, specialization slots, and the extra bridge officer power.
The Tier 5-U Long Range Science Vessel Retrofit has 10 consoles and 12 bridge officer abilities while the Pathfinder has 10 consoles and 13 bridge officer abilities while everything else is about the same. So the only real difference between the JHAS and JHSS at this point is having an extra bridge officer ability. After all, it is not like you can put Surgical Strike 3 on the JHSS.
We already know the console, the name of the trait (not what it does), the boff seating, the turn rate, the shield mod......
Posting them on the forums will get your account hand slapped for a few days of vacation though, much like when all the pre-DR intel info was posted by a few people here.
Sorry. RP'ing isn't fun to me. I play this because it's an MMO, and the Star Trek stuff is a side benefit. I'm glad you're having fun with RP'ing or whatever else you're doing. That doesn't mean that your method of enjoyment is the only right one.
Ok, This is goona sound like I'm siding with cryptic bet let me explain that I'm not! I'm quite sad this happened, but I knew it would before long so now I have to put this here...
Why would you expect a 30 year old (or more) to be a t6? you wouldn't, t5-u is as high as they go. look at all the ships from that generation. all are t5-u. Cryptic has taken the base models of some of the more iconic ships and gave them a new and updated flare, new ships t6. complain as much as you like but in the end they are just adding a updated version of iconic ships. I saw this coming back when they released the pathfinder. Since the game is now geared towards t6 WHY would you expect the promotions to grant a t5 ship? why would you bother? This is the second permotion to include a t6 ship and they even updated the damn bug. BE HAPPY!! It's a better version of the same ship, likely to include some form of hybrid seating. Im sorry for you lot who bought it for 400m on the exchange or to those of you who payed hundreds during promotions just to get the bug....But if your willing to spend it for that one little ship I do not feel sorry for you.
Quit the entitlement talk. It's a different ship. you were willing to pay obscenely to get it once, do so again. stop acting like you were screwed over when you CHOSE to pay for it. And t5-u is just as good as any t6 without the pretty new look, a starship trait, and wooo... 1 extra boff slot!! maybe console too if it is fleet level t6.
I personally think this is great! a new chance to get the bug ship but at t6 instead of the overpriced t5. For the record, since the delta update I have seen a handfull of bugs about, thats it. If it's so good, why is next to no one flying the 400m ship?
...what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points...
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Nor is there regard for legal business practices.
Really? I can think of worse. BP and their oil spill disaster a few years back for example, or perhaps more recently Lenovo and their cute little bloatware mishap.
Cryptic are at least consistent, and everyone really should not be even fazed by such things by now.
They where completely complaint with the law right up until they decided to release an ACTUAL T6 Version of the ship in question. With out one existing they where free to claim that there words meant T5-U... and although we all know better it would not have been provable. Now that they are in fact selling this new T6 Version... which was advertised previously. They are in violation of this Canadian Statue.
Consumer Packaging and Labelling Act (R.S.C., 1985, c. C-38)
7. (1) No dealer shall apply to any prepackaged product or sell, import into Canada or advertise any prepackaged product that has applied to it a label containing any false or misleading representation that relates to or may reasonably be regarded as relating to that product.
(2) For the purposes of this section, false or misleading representation includes
(a) any representation in which expressions, words, figures, depictions or symbols are used, arranged or shown in a manner that may reasonably be regarded as qualifying the declared net quantity of a prepackaged product or as likely to deceive a consumer with respect to the net quantity of a prepackaged product;
(b) any expression, word, figure, depiction or symbol that implies or may reasonably be regarded as implying that a prepackaged product contains any matter not contained in it or does not contain any matter in fact contained in it; and
(c) any description or illustration of the type, quality, performance, function, origin or method of manufacture or production of a prepackaged product that may reasonably be regarded as likely to deceive a consumer with respect to the matter so described or illustrated.
lemme rephrase it.
This is the worst gaming company I've ever seen.
Better?
It lacks several basic capabilities - specialization abilities, a 13th bridge officer ability, and a starship trait. It's very distinctly different.
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And since this is a new ship with enough differences to class it as new, rather than the old one (much like the Pathfinder vs older Intrepid variants), it's technically a new product; just with an option to use the old skin.
Lol, the anger will grow once they announce the boff seating and what the trait does.
Its theoretically possible (although admittedly unlikely) that the bog standard JHAS could get a free upgrade to the new Strike Cruiser stats.
...
Wait, why are you laughing?
We all suspected at the time cause you know, Cryptic.
However they made a point of saying T5U for other ships... and T6 Capabilities on the attack ship, cause there was a promo underway cashing in on that one at the time.
Of course it will. It did for the Pathfinder.
With that being said; some did try to bring up the laws of their area to argue why the T5 Intrepid should be given the T6 upgrade, and were promptly shut down.
So to say it bluntly; one can try taking them to court, but good luck winning. They've covered their bases enough.
rotf, pls don't try to be a legal advisor as you're terrible@it.
They where using the wrong laws.
In this case Cryptic is 100% in the wrong. http://i.imgur.com/tsT6fGb.png
They clearly mislabeled a product. They did this while it was on Sale. Had they did this to products people had already purchased under an old agreement, they would be in the clear.
Had the refused to ever release a Real T6 Attack ship... they could likewise claim that by T6 Capable they where referencing there T5-U level.
However taking both things into account... they are in violation of Canadian law at the least. I do know however that American laws are almost identical as are British and EU laws.
I'm a member of the Manitoba Bar association, and have defended clients on this very statute. Of course no one is really going to launch proceedings over the Attack ship... however that doesn't mean Cryptic isn't in the wrong legally on this one.
Last week all the threads were how T6 ships were not catching on because T5U ships were almost identical in performance. Now it appears it's swinging the other way and T5U ships are garbage and T6 are must have or fail.
I'm flying a T5U FA and since T6 ships have arrived I haven't noticed any marked difference in my ship's performance in PVE. Is the frustration because of differences made by T6 in PvP?
I got the T6 Kobali ship, looked at it and left it in dry dock, it really doesn't strike me as worth trading the FA's cool factor that I like, for a trait on a ship I don't like the looks of.
Hmmm simple question :
T5 Bug Ship vs. T6 Bug Ship .... now let's hire some rocket-scientists, to figure out which one is better ...
Why dont you just "pretend" the t5 vesta/aquatic it's a T6 and ENJOY!...isnt it the same they're doing with the JASH...same ship just called it T6
Down in Puerto Rico, you could sue them in small claims court for false advertising. Much stricter with advertising than in the mainland US where they can then issue a statement saying they were wrong and get away with it. Because they did advertise a T6 ship, they'll be forced by the court to give you the T6 ship if you obtained the Bug ship during the R&D promotion with the understanding you would get a T6 ship AND pay a penalty for breaking that law. Works pretty well. Comp USA once mistakenly advertised Photoshop (not the upgrade which was the intended product) for only $60. They refused to sell it to my father, he took them to court, and they ended up having to sell it to him at $60 (A $700 product) plus pay a $100 fine.
http://daco.gobierno.pr/legal/reglamentos/PublishingImages/Pages/Reglamento%207932-Reglamento%20contra%20Pr%C3%A1cticas%20y%20Anuncios%20Enga%C3%B1osos/Regulation_against_Deceptive_Practices_and_Advertisements.pdf
And yes, it applies to the internet.
actually since day 1 ppl have been argueing back and forth on this subject with no real answer....many still try to claim T6 makes all other ships obsolete but in my experience they are only marginally better (at least for a PVE standpoint). Depending on stats and boff seating there are quite a few T6s that are considered inferior their T5U conterparts
whether a ship is good or not should be evaluated on a case by case basis regardless of Tier
frankly I think until they actually release the stats on this "new bug" , i'm going to reserve my judgement on the similarities
And this is the appropriate response instead of jumping to conclusions. The whole Tier 6 capabilities never meant it was a Tier 6 ship, but it was comparable to a Tier 6 ship. After all, the only real difference between T5-U ships and Tier 6 ships is the starship trait, specialization slots, and the extra bridge officer power.
The Tier 5-U Long Range Science Vessel Retrofit has 10 consoles and 12 bridge officer abilities while the Pathfinder has 10 consoles and 13 bridge officer abilities while everything else is about the same. So the only real difference between the JHAS and JHSS at this point is having an extra bridge officer ability. After all, it is not like you can put Surgical Strike 3 on the JHSS.
Why would you expect a 30 year old (or more) to be a t6? you wouldn't, t5-u is as high as they go. look at all the ships from that generation. all are t5-u. Cryptic has taken the base models of some of the more iconic ships and gave them a new and updated flare, new ships t6. complain as much as you like but in the end they are just adding a updated version of iconic ships. I saw this coming back when they released the pathfinder. Since the game is now geared towards t6 WHY would you expect the promotions to grant a t5 ship? why would you bother? This is the second permotion to include a t6 ship and they even updated the damn bug. BE HAPPY!! It's a better version of the same ship, likely to include some form of hybrid seating. Im sorry for you lot who bought it for 400m on the exchange or to those of you who payed hundreds during promotions just to get the bug....But if your willing to spend it for that one little ship I do not feel sorry for you.
Quit the entitlement talk. It's a different ship. you were willing to pay obscenely to get it once, do so again. stop acting like you were screwed over when you CHOSE to pay for it. And t5-u is just as good as any t6 without the pretty new look, a starship trait, and wooo... 1 extra boff slot!! maybe console too if it is fleet level t6.
I personally think this is great! a new chance to get the bug ship but at t6 instead of the overpriced t5. For the record, since the delta update I have seen a handfull of bugs about, thats it. If it's so good, why is next to no one flying the 400m ship?
We already know the console, the name of the trait (not what it does), the boff seating, the turn rate, the shield mod......
Posting them on the forums will get your account hand slapped for a few days of vacation though, much like when all the pre-DR intel info was posted by a few people here.
Where did he say you had to play like him?
...what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points...