I have the new command ships and it's the most fun I've had with a new ship in a while. On top of that, a chunk of command abilities got buffed today.
Mind you, these ships are not about DPS, but about support. So people who are only in it for the personal pew pew are the ones that are disappointed. But it fits my playstyle perfectly. I am a science captain, after all.
And if Geko claims the ship sales were a success, I believe him. There are A LOT of command ships flying around. They are freaking *everywhere*. In fact, I waited a week before purchasing mine because I didn't want to feel like I was jumping on the proverbial bandwagon. Although now I wonder if I should have waited another week to get them on sale
On another note ... does anyone know if the free upgrade token ALSO includes T5 *Fleet* ships that are purchased? I have an Atrox I'd like to fleet up.
People seriously still want to give Cryptic money after all this nonsense?
A fool and his wallet are easily parted, I suppose.
Spending any money at all on virtual starships for a computer game, regardless of whatever nonsense Cryptic might be up to, is foolish no matter what. Everyone has their vices.
Giving free upgrade to all T5's is really pushing the boat out for Cryptic, i mean it's like they really are trying to get people to buy things and are just throwing it all at us! They've monetized and grindified so much of the game and now they really want us to blow more cash on the dammed game.
If the ships were the discount price all the time then they'd be more appealing, but $30 for a single ship is a lot to expect from people.
Whales will buy any old junk thrown at them but the more savvy average player isn't going to be swayed by fancy marketing tricks.
Give me a working bug free game with decent end-game content that doesn't herd me down the pre-chosen route the devs want me to play plus a dev team who respect the players and their opinions and feedback...then i'll start giving you some of my cash...maybe.
People love to complain and they'll find any excuse to do so.
Patch comes out that fixes a few important things and also offers a TON of new rewards for players ... and they complain about the one bit that doesn't go their way.
Ship sale comes along with tons of interesting offerings ... and they complain that they got shafted by buying new things when they weren't on sale. Or complain that the company is trying to pawn off older ships on them to try and shaft them into spending money they shouldn't.
Ah Internet ... you certainly do get off on outrage
if you look at the track record of ship sales , when they released the oddy,vesta,dyson when they released, the following ship sale they werent included . it showed that ships that dont sell well go on sale those that are selling well dont , which makes sense . if players like the ship and its perks they will buy it . if not only the ship collectors tend to bother with acquiring them and for some its worth the wait for a sale to collect it .
This proves to me that my observations about the command ships is true , and that Geko's statements on P1 is falsehood to try to promote sales of a poor performing ship as far as giving up intel ship for it . IMO
More conspiracy theories in a single post than illuminati.
It's because almost nobody did adopt this time. Command has flopped huge.
It's obvious from the complaints regarding boffs that most players assume they need to level the command spec in order to make effective use of the command boffs.
Either the game does a terrible job explaining this, or the option to train specialization boffs via the exchange is unappealing to many players.
But, more importantly, this sets a terrible precedent.
How will Cryptic react when players almost entirely ignore the next line of specialization ships, and instead choose to wait the extra month or so until they go on sale?
Because when players willingly delayed turning in marks and elite marks until a dilithium bonus weekend, Cryptic declared that behavior abusive.
So, will they consider the same kind of behavior, but with regards to c-store ships, equally abusive? As I asked, how will they then react? By retroactively deducting zen/dilithium from anyone who bought the ships on sale to make up for the "lost revenue?"
It's obvious from the complaints regarding boffs that most players assume they need to level the command spec in order to make effective use of the command boffs.
Either the game does a terrible job explaining this, or the option to train specialization boffs via the exchange is unappealing to many players.
But, more importantly, this sets a terrible precedent.
How will Cryptic react when players almost entirely ignore the next line of specialization ships, and instead choose to wait the extra month or so until they go on sale?
Because when players willingly delayed turning in marks and elite marks until a dilithium bonus weekend, they considered that behavior abusive.
So, will they consider the same kind of behavior, but with regards to c-store ships, equally abusive? As I asked, how will they then react? By retroactively deducting zen/dilithium from anyone who bought the ships on sale to make up for the "lost revenue?"
Which only reinforces my question.
funny, I don't recall cryptic taking away marks or dilithium during the bonus dilithium weekend :rolleyes:
What I'm referring, with a hint of irony, is that they're free to make the ship sales they want. Intrepid was even worse: it got released in three fashions, one more expensive than the other, and before the bridge+Pathfinder could warp away it went on a massive sale. I know that they didn't put new ships on sale sometimes in the past, like with the Avenger, but doesn't necessarily mean Command cruisers are a fail.
funny, I don't recall cryptic taking away marks or dilithium during the bonus dilithium weekend
It was just a hypothetical.
There's no bonus to remove from the sale, except for the sale itself.
I suppose they could drop sales from their current percent discount to something less, but that seems counterproductive to running the sale in the first place.
My point is, it was a bad precedent to establish that rational economic behavior (saving marks for bonus weekend) is abusive. It then becomes an equally bad precedent to establish that new ships will go on sale not long after they're released.
If players can rely on a sale to come so soon after the release of a new batch of ships, they're more likely to engage in rational economic behavior and forgo purchasing a new ship until it comes on sale.
Consider also that the grinds in this game are measured in months and longer. The game itself conditions you to delay gratification, by demanding you do so. A month wait to get a X% discount on a ship is hardly difficult.
So, it's likely that many players will delay purchasing the new ships until the sale. Which means it will start freaking Cryptic out as it becomes a larger factor in their metrics. Which means they'll label it abusive.
The question is, how will they respond?
And if the marks example continues to add confusion, remember that they just did the same thing with DR patrols, they've done the same thing to Tau Dewa patrols, they've done the same thing to mark and elite mark turn-ins (the base, not during bonus weekends), they've done the same thing with contraband turn-ins (or so I've been told), and I'm sure a more experienced and veteran player could elaborate on that list until it's several pages long.
"Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society." - Aristotle
but doesn't necessarily mean Command cruisers are a fail.
It's more likely that the boff specialization system is the failure, because it's the most common complaint given in regards to the command cruisers.
I would have expected them to sell well, because I know cruiser captains make up a disproportionate percentage of the playerbase. They mostly fly escorts and science ships, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't rather be flying a cruiser.
And yet Geko *JUST* said on the last P1 podcast that these ships were their most successful ever. I'm starting to see a pattern with the things this guy says and it's not comforting.
he says that every time about fed ship releases. I've hardly seen any through out the game personally.
LMAO!!! :P Are people really saying the Command Cruisers are bad ships??
I came to the conclusion tha the Fed. and Romulan Command Cruisers are the last ships I'll ever get for those factions. They're that good. They're rock solid. Everything I ever wanted and eveything I ever needed from a ship in this game.
LMAO!!! :P Are people really saying the Command Cruisers are bad ships??
I came to the conclusion tha the Fed. and Romulan Command Cruisers are the last ships I'll ever get for those factions. They're that good. They're rock solid. Everything I ever wanted and eveything I ever needed from a ship in this game.
Not bad per say, just not different enough to already available ships.
The Tac version cannot remotely keep up with my Avenger, and I tested them back to back..
To each their own, though. It is open to personal preference in the end.
Yeah I was thinking the same. I wouldn't necessarily agree that they've flopped based on the amount I've seen flying around.
A ship I do believe flopped big-time is the Dauntless. I think I've seen maybe one of those since it was introduced. Must've been that one Star Trek fan who thought it was a cool design.
The Dauntless is a damage dealing tank with the right set up.
Just like the pathfinder they are both two of the best ships in the game.
What conspiracy theories?! I got mine during the 15% off Zen sale; so that evens about out.
A sale so shortly after their release, though, I can see how one might think they weren't selling too well.
The biggest news here is that you can double dip on discounts if you buy ZEN during ZEN sales and sit on it to spend during ship sales.
There have been variations on that since Atari though and it became very common under PWE to a point where I assume their production budgets reflect an expected percentage of people doing that.
"I'm not big on telepaths myself. I'm not big on guns either. But if everyone else has them, I want to make sure I can get my hands on the biggest one I can."
Why don't they work, though? Did Cryptic leave em broken, so they could nerf em later, and we wouldn't be so upset?! I suspect they found a way to monetize them in the long run. I dunno, something's up.
Like someone pointed out earlier in the thread, the Command Cruisers were technically 'on sale' on launch since their release coincided with a Bonus Zen period. Taking less money to get the Zen to purchase them and paying less Zen to get them is functionally the same thing.
I've seen ship sales shortly after the release of a new ship(s) several times, but I've never seen the new ship(s) be apart of the sale. Generally they exclude the new ship from the sale. Rather nice of them to include it or if you're a conspiracy theorist they are selling terribly and cryptic wanted to boost sales.
15% discount vs. full price at 15% bonus are not technically equivalent.
<nerd>3000*.85=2550, 3000/1.15=2608.7</nerd>
Not that anyone probably cares about the 58.7 zen difference, since it means that the ships under the current sale are a whopping 2.25% cheaper than under the last one. The bigger issue is how mediocre the command ships are; they should really be under a much steeper discount if anyone's gonna bother to buy them.
Why don't they work, though? Did Cryptic leave em broken, so they could nerf em later, and we wouldn't be so upset?! I suspect they found a way to monetize them in the long run. I dunno, something's up.
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Mind you, these ships are not about DPS, but about support. So people who are only in it for the personal pew pew are the ones that are disappointed. But it fits my playstyle perfectly. I am a science captain, after all.
And if Geko claims the ship sales were a success, I believe him. There are A LOT of command ships flying around. They are freaking *everywhere*. In fact, I waited a week before purchasing mine because I didn't want to feel like I was jumping on the proverbial bandwagon. Although now I wonder if I should have waited another week to get them on sale
On another note ... does anyone know if the free upgrade token ALSO includes T5 *Fleet* ships that are purchased? I have an Atrox I'd like to fleet up.
Spending any money at all on virtual starships for a computer game, regardless of whatever nonsense Cryptic might be up to, is foolish no matter what. Everyone has their vices.
Giving free upgrade to all T5's is really pushing the boat out for Cryptic, i mean it's like they really are trying to get people to buy things and are just throwing it all at us! They've monetized and grindified so much of the game and now they really want us to blow more cash on the dammed game.
If the ships were the discount price all the time then they'd be more appealing, but $30 for a single ship is a lot to expect from people.
Whales will buy any old junk thrown at them but the more savvy average player isn't going to be swayed by fancy marketing tricks.
Give me a working bug free game with decent end-game content that doesn't herd me down the pre-chosen route the devs want me to play plus a dev team who respect the players and their opinions and feedback...then i'll start giving you some of my cash...maybe.
Patch comes out that fixes a few important things and also offers a TON of new rewards for players ... and they complain about the one bit that doesn't go their way.
Ship sale comes along with tons of interesting offerings ... and they complain that they got shafted by buying new things when they weren't on sale. Or complain that the company is trying to pawn off older ships on them to try and shaft them into spending money they shouldn't.
Ah Internet ... you certainly do get off on outrage
More conspiracy theories in a single post than illuminati.
Either the game does a terrible job explaining this, or the option to train specialization boffs via the exchange is unappealing to many players.
But, more importantly, this sets a terrible precedent.
How will Cryptic react when players almost entirely ignore the next line of specialization ships, and instead choose to wait the extra month or so until they go on sale?
Because when players willingly delayed turning in marks and elite marks until a dilithium bonus weekend, Cryptic declared that behavior abusive.
So, will they consider the same kind of behavior, but with regards to c-store ships, equally abusive? As I asked, how will they then react? By retroactively deducting zen/dilithium from anyone who bought the ships on sale to make up for the "lost revenue?"
Which only reinforces my question.
Is it? Care to track the data? What was offered may be anecdotal, but it may not be inaccurate.
Because according to sopwithsnipe, you would expect a sale to accompany every ship. So, what ships weren't put on sale, excluding a c-store wide sale.
funny, I don't recall cryptic taking away marks or dilithium during the bonus dilithium weekend :rolleyes:
There's no bonus to remove from the sale, except for the sale itself.
I suppose they could drop sales from their current percent discount to something less, but that seems counterproductive to running the sale in the first place.
My point is, it was a bad precedent to establish that rational economic behavior (saving marks for bonus weekend) is abusive. It then becomes an equally bad precedent to establish that new ships will go on sale not long after they're released.
If players can rely on a sale to come so soon after the release of a new batch of ships, they're more likely to engage in rational economic behavior and forgo purchasing a new ship until it comes on sale.
Consider also that the grinds in this game are measured in months and longer. The game itself conditions you to delay gratification, by demanding you do so. A month wait to get a X% discount on a ship is hardly difficult.
So, it's likely that many players will delay purchasing the new ships until the sale. Which means it will start freaking Cryptic out as it becomes a larger factor in their metrics. Which means they'll label it abusive.
The question is, how will they respond?
And if the marks example continues to add confusion, remember that they just did the same thing with DR patrols, they've done the same thing to Tau Dewa patrols, they've done the same thing to mark and elite mark turn-ins (the base, not during bonus weekends), they've done the same thing with contraband turn-ins (or so I've been told), and I'm sure a more experienced and veteran player could elaborate on that list until it's several pages long.
I would have expected them to sell well, because I know cruiser captains make up a disproportionate percentage of the playerbase. They mostly fly escorts and science ships, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't rather be flying a cruiser.
That could explain it; poor trait layout.
Your definition of good must be different than mine. Maybe you are a sci player.
They are very good ships and the consoles/set bonus are awesome and good fun to use.
he says that every time about fed ship releases. I've hardly seen any through out the game personally.
I came to the conclusion tha the Fed. and Romulan Command Cruisers are the last ships I'll ever get for those factions. They're that good. They're rock solid. Everything I ever wanted and eveything I ever needed from a ship in this game.
Apparently nobody cares to read the truth when there are conspiracy theories to be hatched.
**passes out more tinfoil hats**
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Not bad per say, just not different enough to already available ships.
The Tac version cannot remotely keep up with my Avenger, and I tested them back to back..
To each their own, though. It is open to personal preference in the end.
The Dauntless is a damage dealing tank with the right set up.
Just like the pathfinder they are both two of the best ships in the game.
What conspiracy theories?! I got mine during the 15% off Zen sale; so that evens about out.
A sale so shortly after their release, though, I can see how one might think they weren't selling too well.
The biggest news here is that you can double dip on discounts if you buy ZEN during ZEN sales and sit on it to spend during ship sales.
There have been variations on that since Atari though and it became very common under PWE to a point where I assume their production budgets reflect an expected percentage of people doing that.
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Ok, that was good.
Why don't they work, though? Did Cryptic leave em broken, so they could nerf em later, and we wouldn't be so upset?! I suspect they found a way to monetize them in the long run. I dunno, something's up.
<nerd>3000*.85=2550, 3000/1.15=2608.7</nerd>
Not that anyone probably cares about the 58.7 zen difference, since it means that the ships under the current sale are a whopping 2.25% cheaper than under the last one. The bigger issue is how mediocre the command ships are; they should really be under a much steeper discount if anyone's gonna bother to buy them.
I can still hear the voices
Let us upgrade the Seleya Ceremonial Lirpa and Kri'stak Blade
Thats not a good sign. Cryptic never did such a thing.
Then again DR hit us all, why shouldnt it hit the sales of ships sooner or later as well
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