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FT6 as a means for updating old ships to T6
jexsamx
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Some ships were released to the C-Store as Fleet-level out of the gate. The Odyssey, Vesta, etc.
What if we used the inevitable release of T6 Fleet ships as a means of updating these ships, both in stats and BOff seats?
Imagine - FT6 Odyssey with a Lt. Cmdr Universal/Command BOff seat. FT6 Vesta with a Lt. Intel seat.
This could even be extended to older T5 ships that don't have a C-Store counterpart, such as the Luna or DSSV or Star Cruisers. FT6 versions would have slightly different BOff layouts, to avoid selling exactly the same ship twice in situations where you might already have a FT5U ship - for instance, an FT6 Luna might have an Intel seat and a Lt. Cmdr Tac seat.
This method would address player demands for Command Flagships neatly and provide an avenue for playing with old ships by given them new BOff seats.
Thoughts?
What if we used the inevitable release of T6 Fleet ships as a means of updating these ships, both in stats and BOff seats?
Imagine - FT6 Odyssey with a Lt. Cmdr Universal/Command BOff seat. FT6 Vesta with a Lt. Intel seat.
This could even be extended to older T5 ships that don't have a C-Store counterpart, such as the Luna or DSSV or Star Cruisers. FT6 versions would have slightly different BOff layouts, to avoid selling exactly the same ship twice in situations where you might already have a FT5U ship - for instance, an FT6 Luna might have an Intel seat and a Lt. Cmdr Tac seat.
This method would address player demands for Command Flagships neatly and provide an avenue for playing with old ships by given them new BOff seats.
Thoughts?
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Why?
Because the company would like to make money off of double dipping.
Might as well close this thread and add such T5 upgrade to T6 topics to the FCT.
Besides. Some of these have no C-Store counterpart. That Luna variant? It'll cost at minimum 4 Fleet modules, perhaps 5, or even 6 to set it on par with C-Store T6 ships. And while I don't think they'd be quite this cruel, there's really no reason to think they'd offer a discount if you have the FT5 already, upgraded or not.
Cryptic haters got their blinders on so tight they can't even come up with a pessimistic way to make this work. Gotta let the "CDF member" be pessimistic for them. :rolleyes:
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Now, with that said, I don't think EVERY old T5 ship will get an update... I think the Oddy and Vesta are prime candidates for the new fleet holding. This would not require Cryptic to cannibalize the current 3-packs of these ships, nor would it require a new console to be created (leaving both ships with 3-piece console sets). Admittedly, the Command Battlecruisers opened the door for 4-piece console sets, and the 11/13 model that Fleet T6 will have... so, I suppose they could flip the Oddy and Vesta into 4-packs... but, there's no precedence for 4-packs.
I think "hero ships" like the Defiant and Galaxy will be reserved for new C-Store offerings when appropriate... and I am less optimistic about ships like the Sovereign, Luna, Tempest, Prometheus, Excelsior, and the like.
It's not an upgrade and has nothing to do with upgrading.
I'm talking about outright selling an FT6 ship with old ship skins for full Fleet ship price, plus whatever markup they may include for being T6. Just like you could buy a FT5 MVAE but didn't have to have to C-Store MVAE before.
Effectively, I'm talking about unabashed double-dipping. Obviously where C-Store Fleet-grade equivalents exist, we'd expect to see a discount, but in cases like the Luna or Star Cruisers, they'd be stuck at full price. And all for relatively minimal work.
You could label is greedy, but it would address player requests/demands, provide income, require minimal new assets, and expand the number of truly viable T6 ships at endgame by quite a bit. Everybody wins.
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This is what I'm worried about the most... what will these things cost? 40,000 FCs and 5 FSMs per ship is not crazy talk, sadly. :roll eyes:
This is also why I think the Fleet T6 offerings will be limited... all of the Delta Pack ships, plus the Pathfinder, will almost certainly get a FT6 variant. (The Command Battlecruisers won't, IMO, because they are already at the 11/13 mark.) You could employ a discount fairly easily on these, much similar to the current system. You could do the same with the Oddy and Vesta, since they have no FT5 variants (a discount here would not TRIBBLE over current bundle owners, and would help give a reason to continue to sell the current 3-packs, as is).
I agree, but Geko loves him some Galaxy (apparently). So, this makes me think that the Excelsior and Sovereign will get the Ambassador-class treatment.
I hope I'm wrong!
If someone wants to upgrade their Fleet Heavy Cruiser into a Command Constellation-class? I say let them.
I don't mind giving money to Cryptic, but I would prefer not to be price-gauged on double-dipping. They painted themselves into this corner with this monetization.
Even the $7 upgrade tokens to T5-U are too much. Too much zen for too little performance.
I stand by my original feedback before Delta Rising -- give us a very clear and concise pathway from T5 to T6. Cut the buzzwords and marketing doublespeak and allow your loyal players who have already made their choice of ship to be just as awesome and shiny as any new T6 ship.
I'm okay with monetization. I'm not okay with unethical monetization. The current pathway they are on is ethically questionable from my perspective.
^^ Words I find myself 100% in agreement with!
Still don't think they're gonna do it; but we can hope.
T5U -T6 upgrade = 3000 zen (many, many players would pay it for their favorites)
Traits for these T6 ships would be the same as their unique console (unless the console is part of a set), effectively allowing you to get the effect without losing a console slot
And 1 use, limit 1 per ship T6 seat upgrade tokens to add specializations as follows:
Lt = 1000 zen
Lt Commander = 2000 zen
Commander = 3000 zen
Limited effort, gaurunteed windfall of cash ... i mean thats $60 for a T6 with commander spec seat and the assets already exist ... i know my eng would be back in his sovereign tomorrow if they did this, and id still have to buy the upgradeable c-store version cause i was using the odessey before getting the guardian, so that's even more cash.
People will literally hand you their wallets for their favorite ships cryptic, remember that.
As far as the 3-pack ships go, it's possible they "could" release T6 versions as part of a T6 Fleet holding, or they would just release a T6 3-pack to TRIBBLE on previous owners, if they refuse to go back and grandfather previous owners of them to the updated packs.
The T5U version are practically at Fleet T6 level; they just need a Mastery Trait and 1 more Boff seat, so I'm hoping that they just do the latter; and grandfather existing owners of the bundle ships over to T6 and up the old cost to 6000 for new and future buyers.
1) Say, "sorry" and make FT6 versions of the Oddy, Bort, Vesta, etc as seperate full price c-store purchases.
2) Create a new "super upgrade token" in the 1000 zen area that will let people take their T5U ships to FT6.
Personally, I just don't see Cryptic letting regular upgrade tokens be enough to jump a tier level, even if though the distinction between FT5U and T6 is vanishingly small. Eventually they're gonna have to stop stringing along the T5U and say enough is enough. For whatever it's worth, I also expect new c-store "refit" T6 versions of the vanilla T5 Sovereign, Luna, Prometheus, etc. that will be upgradable to FT6 via tokens along with the intel, pathfinder, dauntless and other non-FT6 level ships.
Im afraid to me this sounds more like a we want 3k zen from you for that than just a grab one of our fleet module pack and upgrade your fleet deal.
Tier 6 Odyssey and Vesta packs would mean a cool seller for them. The prices are 3k for one ship 6k for all 3 I do believe.
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For me that means one of two things:
They have either scrapped the whole notion or they put it on the back burner and they are riding the current Trait & Tree pony for as long as it's good (aka as long as you let them with your spendings on the current model) .
... after all, by their reckoning their T5U model scratches that itch to play the Classics without taking too much of a bite out of their current scheme ... . They are in the businesses of selling systems and power after all ... , and they don't have to make missions to feed the current scheme , unlike the Reputation scheme = money saved + the money gets funneled into systems for the new scheme ... -- and who are the systems guys? Our former EP for one ...
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i'll qoute this:
i think that's it about my opinion on the topic lol
Also usually a fleet ship costs more them 1 module.
I think t6 fleet will be 5 or 6 modules.
May be the 1 module thing stays for those who have a cstore t5 but.... I believe a lot who purchased those won't pay full price for the same ship again.
Fleet version with Z store ship already purchased - 1 module
Fleet version without Z store ship purchase - 4 modules
That's how it's worked before delta. So if you already own the ship by buying it from the Z store you get a huge discount module wise.
Taking that to the T6 level, 6 for ship without prior purchase, 2 for ships already purchased from the Z store. So yeah 6 modules isn't far off if you don't own the T6 ship you want a fleet version of I'd agree.
Also - own the Oddy 3 pack. Own the Galaxy pack. Don't think I'll spend 6000 zen to re-buy the Oddy, so not sure how many people would.
i won't get anymore t6's! i think i got all on my main xcept for the new 3-packs, but that's it for now for sure.
and the bitter taste i would get if i'd had to buy any of the t5's i got on t6 for full price: bwahahaha
i'd bring all my ships to fleet t6 for, let's say 2k zen max. that would be around 100k zen only from my main.
but cryptic decided to not let me, so yeah. no 100k zen! saving money sometimes is so easy