What "11-th console" situation? There is no "11-th console" situation.
If you really think there's an "11-th console" situation, then I'm afraid you're 3 years too late.
The "11-th console" situation where new Command ships are also C-Store, like the previous Intel generation, but that the former suddenly are getting a free 11th Console, without having to wait a year, and without having to pay 500 Zen. That situation.
Nobody seems to care, though. Never mind that Fleet Intel is now getting pushed back another few months, just to accommodate the latest and shiniest.
Like I said, seems I'm alone in being miffed about this. So, yeah.
I must admit, I did chuckle to myself a bit yesterday. I signed in hoping to see sector space full of them, and I saw a handful at best. I don't think they really offer that much to be honest, and I'm unfortunately glad that people aren't buying into them. It's time Cryptic realized that we need more from them than a few more powers and overpriced ships.
Kudos to everyone that hasn't made the purchase. I am proud of you.
I deleted my science toon which could have used a romulan science command ship. Reason being is Cryptic never bothered to release a science ship at the launch of Delta Rising like they did for Feds and also I'm tired of having huge grinds for leveling and equipment upgrades. So I deleted my romulan science alt and also two other characters I was playing around with before Delta Rising.
My existing characters don't need the command cruisers. My Romulan Tac flies a Faeht, KDF Engie flies a Qib, and my Fed tac is in an Phantom. The only thing I'll spend money for at this point is fleet versions of those ships since the leveling and gearing isn't going to change and Cryptic was late to the show for filling out ships for the KDF and Romulans.
In short, Cryptic took to long to do what I wanted and aren't really giving me anything I can use now because I've moved on.
I wasn't around back then, or rather, I didn't use Tribble back then. Shame they took the feature away; I'd expect more people would make more purchases if they could try out what they were buying first. I've often thought about the Vesta Bundle, but have been reluctant to do so because of the cost. Guess Cryptic lost a purchase there locking the c-store from Tribble. Bit of a shame!
The "11-th console" situation where new Command ships are also C-Store, like the previous Intel generation, but that the former suddenly are getting a free 11th Console, without having to wait a year, and without having to pay 500 Zen. That situation.
Nobody seems to care, though. Never mind that Fleet Intel is now getting pushed back another few months, just to accommodate the latest and shiniest.
Like I said, seems I'm alone in being miffed about this. So, yeah.
You're not alone at all. Making Command ships fleet level if total B.S. and pisses me off big time.
The Intel ships are now the only T6 ships in the game without fleet stats. Typical stupid Cryptic incompetence.
I have no interest in buying any of the Command ships. I know a couple of people that have purchased the Fed ships and haven't been overly impressed by them.
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If only they knew how much money I put into getting things Epic! And don't give me 'entitled' now. I do, however, expect Cryptic to treat their customers fair, though.
I have no interest in buying any of the Command ships. I know a couple of people that have purchased the Fed ships and haven't been overly impressed by them.
And that's another reason I haven't bought them yet. So far, Command don't impress me much.
Besides, I think they released them waaaaay prematurely. They had only begun to touch on Intel, with only really 2 ships per action with Cmdr. Intel seats. And I bet the infamous '85%' of the playerbase hasn't even finished their Intel Specialization yet.
This would have been a good moment to introduce Fleet Intel; and then, a few months later maybe, Command ships.
The Fed ones are nice looking, but they have boring stats, the command space abilities are lame and useless, and their ship gimmicks aren't useful, either. I already have cruisers I can use.
The Romulan ones are very nice looking, but thanks to DR I never played my Rom characters anymore, so why would I spend money on them?
The "11-th console" situation where new Command ships are also C-Store, like the previous Intel generation, but that the former suddenly are getting a free 11th Console, without having to wait a year, and without having to pay 500 Zen. That situation.
Nobody seems to care, though. Never mind that Fleet Intel is now getting pushed back another few months, just to accommodate the latest and shiniest.
Like I said, seems I'm alone in being miffed about this. So, yeah.
You mean like my 9 console Guramba that costed me 2.5k Zen, while the Bortasqu' that costed me the same has 10? That's why I said, you're 3 years too late. This has all happened before, if nobody was miffed then or since then, you can't rationally expect many to be miffed now.
The Romulan ones are very nice looking, but thanks to DR I never played my Rom characters anymore, so why would I spend money on them?
I feel your pain, as I'm experiencing it myself. Rommie ones looks gorgeous (especially the parabole shaped one, as it were). But Geko killed my Rom alt, so that is no longer a purchase I will make.
You mean like my 9 console Guramba that costed me 2.5k Zen, while the Bortasqu' that costed me the same has 10? That's why I said, you're 3 years too late. This has all happened before, if nobody was miffed then or since then, you can't rationally expect many to be miffed now.
LOL, just checked that guy's video; not only does Presidio get 11 Consoles, it's got 8 weps positions, plus room for a pet!
I'm sorry to hear you got rogered on you Guramba, back when; but two wrongs don't make a right.
The "11-th console" situation where new Command ships are also C-Store, like the previous Intel generation, but that the former suddenly are getting a free 11th Console, without having to wait a year, and without having to pay 500 Zen. That situation.
Nobody seems to care, though. Never mind that Fleet Intel is now getting pushed back another few months, just to accommodate the latest and shiniest.
Like I said, seems I'm alone in being miffed about this. So, yeah.
I'm not pleased either, but it's to be expected. I'd like prices within a tier to at least be priced properly. But they have their gouging plan. I wish them well since it pays for a game I've never paid a cent for.
Overall the DR Pack is a better value. If AHoD is useful, then a tac command ship may be worth getting (my Dauntless would love sci ability cd reduction). Command is just not as useful for the individual player as Intel is.
The devs have made every possible move to kill the queues and turn us all into single players. Then the release ships designed with team based mechanics. That should tell us all we need to know about whether they play the game or not.
LOL, just checked that guy's video; not only does Presidio get 11 Consoles, it's got 8 weps positions, plus room for a pet!
I'm sorry to hear you got rogered on you Guramba, back when; but two wrongs don't make a right.
Yep, and my 9 console Mogh costed me 2.5 Zen while the Scimitar not only got 10 consoles, but 8 weapon slots, plus room for a pet! Can you see where I'm going with this yet?
I didn't get rogered on my Guramba, nor any of the 2.5k Zen ships I've got - I knew how it is, I knew what I was getting and I got them because I liked them.
I'm not saying two wrongs make right nor that I aprove of the business practice - I'm just saying that this has been an established practice in STO for years, so it doesn't suprise me. I wouldn't be shocked if a newbie came to the forum with these complaints, but quite frankly I'm suprised that this is comming from you, since you've been around for quite a while. Haven't you noticed this up until now?
its a dps game.
command ships offer... group support ... in a game that has all but ignored dps, tanking, crowd control, and every other aspect of the MMO genre (dps, tank, heal, support) in 99.99% of the content. The recently *removed* NWS needed some teamwork. The *ONE* elite mission works well with teamwork. The rest of the game ignores it entirely.
They are pretty hulls.
The console layouts are fine.
But they can't seat intel. They lack tac officer seats. They are not gonna be top tier dps boats and 30 bucks for a ship that has no role is steep.
If they made 3 or 4 new STFs that required something other than raw dps to beat, I would consider these ships and the command tree and the whole support thing. But without content, ... its all dressed up and nowhere to go.
I wouldn't be shocked if a newbie came to the forum with these complaints, but quite frankly I'm suprised that this is comming from you, since you've been around for quite a while. Haven't you noticed this up until now?
Haven't seen it happen in such a short time-span, no. And I honestly didn't see it coming. I thought, for sure, we'd get Fleet Intel first; and then, somewhere along the line, Command ships.
Ships are released much more infrequent KDF so I think good move.
Getting 3 tier 6 ships for the red faction feels like a late Christmas present from cryptic. My KDF Romii is good off with the Scimi but my pure KDF sci char currently sits on the Breen Carrier from winter event. Its ok but doesnt feel Klingon.
Is there one of the 3 kdf command cruiser you particularly recommend?
I've only tried the Ty'Gokor (Tac) version in Argala, but it seems a worthy replacement for the Bortas'qu CC my Eng flew for the best part of 2 years. With an Eng captain you can afford to slot all the consoles and max out on Tac / Command skills; BAFAW 3 + Command + 2 x APB = lots of dead Kazon.
I have to say only the Tac version as a beamboat looks really useful; the Eng version looks just too eng-heavy but could work if you were heavily into Command abilities.
Haven't seen it happen in such a short time-span, no. And I honestly didn't see it coming. I thought, for sure, we'd get Fleet Intel first; and then, somewhere along the line, Command ships.
We're 4 months in from DR now, I think that the key driver is *enough* people must have filled Intel that they needed to do something else. "Enough" in this context could just mean 10% of the playerbase. I know I'm only at about 30 spec points...
I have no interest in buying any of the Command ships. I know a couple of people that have purchased the Fed ships and haven't been overly impressed by them.
That likely depends on what they switched from.
The Tac variant is basically an upgraded T5-U FACR.
The "11-th console" situation where new Command ships are also C-Store, like the previous Intel generation, but that the former suddenly are getting a free 11th Console, without having to wait a year, and without having to pay 500 Zen. That situation.
Nobody seems to care, though. Never mind that Fleet Intel is now getting pushed back another few months, just to accommodate the latest and shiniest.
Like I said, seems I'm alone in being miffed about this. So, yeah.
To play the devil's advocate here for a moment, priorities and schedules do change. Sometimes not to our liking.
Soon or later, just as with Tier Five vessels before, fleet grade Tier Six ships were going to pop up in the C-Store.
So, I have no real issue with it. But that's just my own personal opinion.
This is very strange. I don't see many command ships flying around. This is against the laws of nature and the universe itself. There are new shiny toys out, but no one is flying them! WHERE ARE THEY!?
Am...Am I losing my mind? What is happening? :eek:
I've been flying my goblin rocket on WoW! Much more fun! Didn't have to spend really money to get it! Don't have to worry about my class being ignored for years on end (like science in this game) don't have to worry about the devs not listening to their own forums or the needs of their playerbase or shareholders who are in control of the development process.
It's far superior.
I suggest that if you have a problem with any part of the game (which I suspect is widespread) that you logout go find something else to play as I have and vote in the only way they'll listen, with your wallet!
While I'm not exactly inclined to buy one of these due to preference of play style, I have to say I *do* enjoy having one of these bad boys in my team for Elite or even just Advanced PvEs. They are in effect the ultimate support ship, and as a wise man once said in reguards to MMO's and RPG's:
When utilized properly, a well made/played support character is a force multiplier for team effectiveness.
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You get one of these Command Cruisers flying close with a JHDC or Scimi, you have a flying death fortress.
"Why all the sales"?
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
-jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'
Look at the announcement on Facebook, all the comments are 'I'm getting one,' and 'I can't wait to buy these.'
Cryptic is going to clean up on these ships.
None of that money will come from me, but they won't care. Their business model continues to work just fine. Neglect the actual game, continually release new ships, back up a dump truck to collect all the money.
Same as it always has been.
Agreed i have seen many flying around already. A game for the whales.
Personally i dislike the design and the trend of going bigger all the time. Beside that, I'm working on my Kobali cruiser.
Can't say i am fond of the intel ships either, though i would love to use SS/OSS on higher levels. The only zen i am planning to spend is on a Dauntless and I'm waiting for a ship discount for that one.
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The "11-th console" situation where new Command ships are also C-Store, like the previous Intel generation, but that the former suddenly are getting a free 11th Console, without having to wait a year, and without having to pay 500 Zen. That situation.
Nobody seems to care, though. Never mind that Fleet Intel is now getting pushed back another few months, just to accommodate the latest and shiniest.
Like I said, seems I'm alone in being miffed about this. So, yeah.
All past 3 Pack ships have also been Fleet Level ships.
It's pretty consistent with the past, so I think that is why few care to get enraged about it.
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The "11-th console" situation where new Command ships are also C-Store, like the previous Intel generation, but that the former suddenly are getting a free 11th Console, without having to wait a year, and without having to pay 500 Zen. That situation.
Nobody seems to care, though. Never mind that Fleet Intel is now getting pushed back another few months, just to accommodate the latest and shiniest.
Like I said, seems I'm alone in being miffed about this. So, yeah.
Kudos to everyone that hasn't made the purchase. I am proud of you.
You can't try C-Store ships out on Tribble.
You used to be able to. It's been ages since I've been on tribble though, so that is probably why I didn't know about said change.
My existing characters don't need the command cruisers. My Romulan Tac flies a Faeht, KDF Engie flies a Qib, and my Fed tac is in an Phantom. The only thing I'll spend money for at this point is fleet versions of those ships since the leveling and gearing isn't going to change and Cryptic was late to the show for filling out ships for the KDF and Romulans.
In short, Cryptic took to long to do what I wanted and aren't really giving me anything I can use now because I've moved on.
You're not alone at all. Making Command ships fleet level if total B.S. and pisses me off big time.
The Intel ships are now the only T6 ships in the game without fleet stats. Typical stupid Cryptic incompetence.
1.) Have not crafted a single item
2.) Have not even visited Delta
3.) Have not even looked at the stats or pupose of an Intel/ Command Ship
4.) The theory and practice of the game infuriates me to an extent where I maybe login briefly once ever 2 weeks to doff.
5.) I would not support STO if my life hung in the balance.
6.) Have not been in any queque in over 4 months.
7.) Have not touched any "Anniversary" content.
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No incompetence, just part of THE PLAN
If only they knew how much money I put into getting things Epic! And don't give me 'entitled' now. I do, however, expect Cryptic to treat their customers fair, though.
And that's another reason I haven't bought them yet. So far, Command don't impress me much.
Besides, I think they released them waaaaay prematurely. They had only begun to touch on Intel, with only really 2 ships per action with Cmdr. Intel seats. And I bet the infamous '85%' of the playerbase hasn't even finished their Intel Specialization yet.
This would have been a good moment to introduce Fleet Intel; and then, a few months later maybe, Command ships.
The Romulan ones are very nice looking, but thanks to DR I never played my Rom characters anymore, so why would I spend money on them?
The Klingon ones look terrible and looks > all.
You mean like my 9 console Guramba that costed me 2.5k Zen, while the Bortasqu' that costed me the same has 10? That's why I said, you're 3 years too late. This has all happened before, if nobody was miffed then or since then, you can't rationally expect many to be miffed now.
I feel your pain, as I'm experiencing it myself.
LOL, just checked that guy's video; not only does Presidio get 11 Consoles, it's got 8 weps positions, plus room for a pet!
I'm sorry to hear you got rogered on you Guramba, back when; but two wrongs don't make a right.
I'm not pleased either, but it's to be expected. I'd like prices within a tier to at least be priced properly. But they have their gouging plan. I wish them well since it pays for a game I've never paid a cent for.
Overall the DR Pack is a better value. If AHoD is useful, then a tac command ship may be worth getting (my Dauntless would love sci ability cd reduction). Command is just not as useful for the individual player as Intel is.
The devs have made every possible move to kill the queues and turn us all into single players. Then the release ships designed with team based mechanics. That should tell us all we need to know about whether they play the game or not.
Yep, and my 9 console Mogh costed me 2.5 Zen while the Scimitar not only got 10 consoles, but 8 weapon slots, plus room for a pet! Can you see where I'm going with this yet?
I didn't get rogered on my Guramba, nor any of the 2.5k Zen ships I've got - I knew how it is, I knew what I was getting and I got them because I liked them.
I'm not saying two wrongs make right nor that I aprove of the business practice - I'm just saying that this has been an established practice in STO for years, so it doesn't suprise me. I wouldn't be shocked if a newbie came to the forum with these complaints, but quite frankly I'm suprised that this is comming from you, since you've been around for quite a while. Haven't you noticed this up until now?
command ships offer... group support ... in a game that has all but ignored dps, tanking, crowd control, and every other aspect of the MMO genre (dps, tank, heal, support) in 99.99% of the content. The recently *removed* NWS needed some teamwork. The *ONE* elite mission works well with teamwork. The rest of the game ignores it entirely.
They are pretty hulls.
The console layouts are fine.
But they can't seat intel. They lack tac officer seats. They are not gonna be top tier dps boats and 30 bucks for a ship that has no role is steep.
If they made 3 or 4 new STFs that required something other than raw dps to beat, I would consider these ships and the command tree and the whole support thing. But without content, ... its all dressed up and nowhere to go.
Haven't seen it happen in such a short time-span, no. And I honestly didn't see it coming. I thought, for sure, we'd get Fleet Intel first; and then, somewhere along the line, Command ships.
I've only tried the Ty'Gokor (Tac) version in Argala, but it seems a worthy replacement for the Bortas'qu CC my Eng flew for the best part of 2 years. With an Eng captain you can afford to slot all the consoles and max out on Tac / Command skills; BAFAW 3 + Command + 2 x APB = lots of dead Kazon.
I have to say only the Tac version as a beamboat looks really useful; the Eng version looks just too eng-heavy but could work if you were heavily into Command abilities.
We're 4 months in from DR now, I think that the key driver is *enough* people must have filled Intel that they needed to do something else. "Enough" in this context could just mean 10% of the playerbase. I know I'm only at about 30 spec points...
I figure they'll take some time to filter through.
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That likely depends on what they switched from.
The Tac variant is basically an upgraded T5-U FACR.
To play the devil's advocate here for a moment, priorities and schedules do change. Sometimes not to our liking.
Soon or later, just as with Tier Five vessels before, fleet grade Tier Six ships were going to pop up in the C-Store.
So, I have no real issue with it. But that's just my own personal opinion.
I've been flying my Kobali for more than a week
It's far superior.
I suggest that if you have a problem with any part of the game (which I suspect is widespread) that you logout go find something else to play as I have and vote in the only way they'll listen, with your wallet!
When utilized properly, a well made/played support character is a force multiplier for team effectiveness.
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You get one of these Command Cruisers flying close with a JHDC or Scimi, you have a flying death fortress.
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
-jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'
Agreed i have seen many flying around already. A game for the whales.
Can't say i am fond of the intel ships either, though i would love to use SS/OSS on higher levels. The only zen i am planning to spend is on a Dauntless and I'm waiting for a ship discount for that one.
All past 3 Pack ships have also been Fleet Level ships.
It's pretty consistent with the past, so I think that is why few care to get enraged about it.