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Is it time for Cryptic to relent on the T5U to T6 stance?
carlosbfly
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Looking through the thread on the new Command Ships, it seems to be a very divided reaction. A shame since I think the designs (minus the poor Klingons) are pretty good and they've put in some impressive work. But given how Cryptic seem to be unable to entice so many players over to T6 still, is it time for them to acknowledge how many players how dug their feet in and how many customers they are missing out by not making some more T5-U ships T6?
While I understand they cant do this for every T5-U ship, there are clearly several in high use that players will simply not abandon. I'm thinking the Oddy, Avenger, Scimitar, Galaxy, Advanced Escort, etc Metrics will help them identify the most used in game.
I suspect there is a massive and very easy amount of revenue to be made by giving them what they want (and it obviously isn't going to be any of these new T6 ship efforts) for very little work. Like with the Intrepid, just make another new, interchangeable skin, boost some stats, add a ship trait and (maybe) a console or some BOFF station tweeks if needed.
Its very little work by comparison and new money for old rope. At this stage, I honestly think they should just consider it as I can't see the T5-U supporters ever shifting on their stance and that is a LOT of money being sat on.
While I understand they cant do this for every T5-U ship, there are clearly several in high use that players will simply not abandon. I'm thinking the Oddy, Avenger, Scimitar, Galaxy, Advanced Escort, etc Metrics will help them identify the most used in game.
I suspect there is a massive and very easy amount of revenue to be made by giving them what they want (and it obviously isn't going to be any of these new T6 ship efforts) for very little work. Like with the Intrepid, just make another new, interchangeable skin, boost some stats, add a ship trait and (maybe) a console or some BOFF station tweeks if needed.
Its very little work by comparison and new money for old rope. At this stage, I honestly think they should just consider it as I can't see the T5-U supporters ever shifting on their stance and that is a LOT of money being sat on.
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I would say this is one promise that was upheld. I suppose others might disagree. But I like my vesta and xindi carrier still just as much. They are much better than the Intrepid and breen carrier T6 which I fly on other characters.
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As much as the idea of paying again for the same ships I already have irks me, rationally I realize these would effectively be new ships entirely, with their own gimmicks and BOff layouts. Different playstyles that just happen to support old skins, and if you don't like that playstyle, you don't have to buy. So yeah, I think in the end I'd be okay with it.
When all's said and done, if a T6 Prometheus drops with a Cmdr Tac and Lt. Cmdr Sci, I'll buy it. I'll take a T6 Luna with Cmdr Sci and Lt. Cmdr Tac while they're at it, too. I don't really care about anything else.
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I agree with you. If memory serves they've yet to knock a t5-U of the top spot at least for DPS. Or at least bring the cost of the T6 ships down by around 500 zen so cost wise they're at least on a levelish playing field with T5-U.
Yes and I guess the question is - how well did the Pathfinder do? Unfortunately, I doubt it was the best benchmark to base it on as the Intrepid was never a popular ship anyway. Now if it had been, say an Oddy class then it would have been a different story.
But one thing to consider for both us and them - the reason we have Tier 5 versions of all canon ships is because people want to play canon ships at endgame. And Tier 5 U is just not quite endgame!
It will inevitably take a lot of time, I think. First, if still necessary, to convince Cryptic that it's the thing the players want (and will sell best), second, to simply implement it. Because Cryptic has stated certain requirements for a ship to be Tier 6 implicitely:
- It needs a new console power.
- It needs a new Starship Mastery Trait.
- It needs specialization slots.
That may not seem much, but it means coming up with creative abilities.Also, they will have to figure out which specialization fits best to the ship, possibly even creating completely new specializations - and how to distinguish the ships from existing ones.
My hopes were dampened somewhat by the new Command ships. I think Command ships would have been the perfect candidates for a flagship overhaul, but it looks like they will instead stand on their own.
I guess if we really want to be certain they give us more Tier 6 variants of existing ships, we need to not buy the other Tier 6 ships. Or at least buy the Tier 6 variants more. Doubtful that will happen however, because people seem to buy "for power" a lot in this game, considering the happy outcries of players when a new lockbox ships comes out, saying "wow, that looks powerful, I must have it".
In fact, the Devs laid out the requirements of making an existing ship (at least, canon ships) T6; which they used to explain the Pathfinder's existence when they otherwise said they wouldn't create T6 versions of existing ships "at this time":
- Must be iconic enough to star in a major mission series
- Must had effort put into the NPC design they could copy/paste over to a playable design
- Must be central to the ongoing effort of the mission series
- Must have had the resources already spent on it to make selling it for some $$$ worthwhile.
Plenty of others have gone and purchased T6s; even just for the Mastery Traits to use on their favorite T5U/T5FU.
It'd be nice if Cryptic could just release Fleet T6 versions of the Fleet level T5s (Odyssey/Bortasqu/Scimitar, Dysons, Andorian Escorts, and Vestas). They just more or less need a Mastery Trait, an extra seat rank, and a Hybrid seat, and Cryptic would still make a profit since they would need Fleet Modules (and Fleet Credit) to buy.
Just give the Flagships a Universal Specialization Hybrid seat to be compatible with existing and future Primary Specializations. The rest can be made Specialization-specific. I suspect however, they're waiting until they get a 3rd Primary Specialization before they start releasing T6 versions of those Fleet level 3-Pack T5s (Tac is one Specialization, Sci is one Specialization, and Eng is one Specialization).
I really do hope though that at least the T6 Flagships would have a Universal Specialization seat. Guaranteed purchase by many, and guaranteed compatibility with all existing and future Specializations.
He didn't commit to it happening, but said that was the only way they'd go. I hope they do go for it as I have a lot of fleeties who'd jump all over them.
Me, only classic ships I really care that much about the looks of would be a Connie or guramba. And somehow, I doubt I'll ever see a t6 of either.
its thare plan to offer new ships and stuff for profit but TRIBBLE up your account so having anything to feel accomplished never happens no matter what thay will even delete your stuff in the hope of making you spend and that's bad in a years time sto has gone from best game ive played to a criminal expliote of the players that have invested
and like ive said your paying cash or hundreds of hours that is not free hell the free players earn about less than a dime an hour for grind to cash value that's not even slave wage and a dime is what I figure the gamers twice as good with this whole video game money bs that in my opnion is not fun at the level it has grown in sto
like really whos bad idea was it to turn sto into a banking bankers game anyhow its a game for TRIBBLE sake not the new York stock exchange dammit
I agree with the OP on this. I don't know how I can add more to what has already been stated. The only reason I have the breen carrir is so I can unlock the ship triat to use on my T5U Galaxy class. The only reason I'm grinding for the Koboli ship is for the console and the ship trait, both to be used on my T5U Galaxy class.
Can you tell I'm a TNG fan? I'm not giving up my favorite ships for this T6 stuff anytime soon.
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It cheaper to buy a T6 ship then get a fleet T5 then upgrade it to T5U so personally I think the whole upgrade system puts people off buying T5 ships.
So yeah if you a fan of TNG like myself and want the Galaxy and new to the game its going to cost more than a T6 ship and not be as good....
Now if they had upgraded all T5 ships so you get the first 4 mastery's and then gave you the option to upgrade to T6 to get the trait added that would of been a better route and less confusing.
For it to work, they'd absolutely need to start at the top ie; the ships that are very popular and have a lot of players stuck on them and refusing to budge. Everything on that list - barring the Dyson - would be a great place to start.
I would gladly give Cryptic money for T6 versions of the following ships:
Vesta
Bortasqu'
Excelsior
D'Deridex
I really think Cryptic is missing out on a massive money-making opportunity here. Give us T6 versions of our favorite ships!
That's fine for me. I mean either way, Cryptic gets their T6 money and the T5U players essentially get the same ship but enhanced. They don't even need to use the new skin option if they didn't want to. I think Cryptic are massively underestimating how many players would jump over to T6 if they could at least keep flying their beloved ship.
For many who are stuck on their stance, I'd say its less about money and more about the ship. They'd pay if the way is paved.
I think Tier 6 scimitars would sell like hotcakes - even though the T5U is still awesome.
I don't think they underestimate it at all. I think the forum u derestimates the spending habits of the silent players.
Consider the forum's opinion of the dyson bundle. And yet gecko said in the priority one interview that "bundles of bundles" were a huge money maker for them and something they were planning more of. Days later the command ships hit.
Believe me, there will be more 9-packs coming. They sell. Just not to forumites.
Absolutely. I don't fly one but the numbers I still see in game are staggering. I'd safely bet most Romulan players kept them over the T6 ships offered. Scimitar would easily be one of the first ships I'd suggest making a T6.
In addition to the above, even if players dislike the Dysons for whatever reason, it's a Science ship in 3 variants per faction, and would go a long way towards padding the otherwise non-existent Sci Ships for those two factions at T6. The addition of alternate skin options help make them more tolerable, and most players don't bother with it's useless Proton cannons anyway. They do need a fix to their inability to access their appropriate Commander level skill though.
After all those ships have been dealt with, it's a matter of Cryptic coming up with a major mission chain to star the most popular canon ships. Of them, the following 3 are the most likely based on the Pathfinder criteria:
- Rhode Island - If DR switches focus to Harry Kim for awhile, it would meet the requirements.
- Galaxy - Geordi La Forge in command of a Challenger and a hero ship like the Pathfinder (same core Boff seating class-wise)
- Defiant - Hero ship like the Pathfinder (same core Boff seating class-wise), could be made to star in some DS9 content.
This goes beyond the forum (which is, alas, a bit extreme). You only need to go in game to see the sheer number of T5U ships still in service. The popular ones are what I'm focusing on here - you can still easily enter numerous STF's at any hour of the day and you'll end up seeing an Oddy, Scimitar and Avenger paired in a team. That is an undeniable fact.
Those are perfectly viable consumers right there, sitting on a T5U.
Someone like you, flying a popular ship, is exactly the kind of consumer I mean. You wont part with the ship but will part with the money if they T6ed it. There is a lot of easy revenue to be made from people like you flying those still popular ships.
I think that might say more about the viability of t5u, just because you still see them doesn't mean those people aren't buying t6 ships. I know plenty of players who have t6s who still fly (and sometimes flip flop between) t5u ships...myself included
Did I say T6 ships weren't being purchased? No. I stated the clear resistance of a large chunk of players (and potential revenue) who just won't dump their T5U.
I wish I could put the BIG RED BALL OF DEATH console on my Faeht. Shame they don't make all the consoles that were bound to specific T5 ships now open to all T5U and T6 ships.
just let us upgrade the ships we already got to t6 fleet level, without traits. tie those to the new t6's to come. just as all the command/intel and whatever to come seatings.
more money in a whole lotta ton existing ships than i a few new ones imho...
it's like with t4 and t5, only that in comparison there are MUCH more t5's than t4 or t6 and that many players collected MANY t5's over years just to see them being outdated by now.
made a thread about, barely visited lol:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1353631