And the only way for us to prove them wrong is for all of us to buy the KDF command ships! Thus making them tons of money! They win either way! Diabolical.
i went the buy it to show support for kdf route with the mogh which i hate and the 2 t6 we got. not again its clear they are done with us now.
Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days.
Like the stats, hate the looks. Now if the Neg'vhar had the stats of the tactical command cruiser... MUAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I would get in that ship and NEVER get out! Shame I like my Tor'kaht too much.
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
They aren't really battlecruisers despite the names. If you wanna copy a bog-standard FAW boat then they work fine, but with a turn of 8 and neither the +turn or -drain comm settings available, they'd make pretty poor DHC or DBB platforms. That'll work fine for a Fed or Rom cruiser, but for a Klingon cruiser its lacking.
They aren't really battlecruisers despite the names. If you wanna copy a bog-standard FAW boat then they work fine, but with a turn of 8 and neither the +turn or -drain comm settings available, they'd make pretty poor DHC or DBB platforms. That'll work fine for a Fed or Rom cruiser, but for a Klingon cruiser its lacking.
Well, with the 2-piece set bonus they're suposed to have +2 turn rate which considering I've had no problems lining up the DHCs on a Bortasqu' in PvE is not awfull. Combined with existing turn rate boosting consoles, I supose they'll be pretty decent to use DHC on.
I'm kinda' suprised by the turn rate of 8, I'd given them 6 or 7 based on looks. It makes me wonder about their actual size in game, I remember the Avenger looking huge on blog pictures, but in game it's roughly the size of an Intrepid.
Anyway, I build my ships in canon setups and based on how they look. So on a Ty'Gokor Class I'd most certainly use DHC/Turrets because the ship just doesn't speak "beams" to me. The Klinzhai and An'Quat on the other hand, I have no problem equiping them with beam setups.
Well, with the 2-piece set bonus they're suposed to have +2 turn rate which considering I've had no problems lining up the DHCs on a Bortasqu' in PvE is not awfull. Combined with existing turn rate boosting consoles, I supose they'll be pretty decent to use DHC on.
I'm kinda' suprised by the turn rate of 8, I'd given them 6 or 7 based on looks. It makes me wonder about their actual size in game, I remember the Avenger looking huge on blog pictures, but in game it's roughly the size of an Intrepid.
Oh I know ya can, just that its not really a 'standard Klingon' setup. If I'd been designing the stats the Fed and Rom versions would have the 6-7 turn and stats like listed, then the Klingon version would have a 1.0 shield and a couple thousand less hull but +3-4 on the turning and battlecruiser comm options. The Klingon mindset tends to lead from front and shed armor for more agility, and this just isn't it. Its like a repeat of the Odyssey/Bortasqu launch; sure the Bortasqu can be set up as a very solid and capable ship, but thematically its not quite right. IMHO anyways. *shrugs*
Oh I know ya can, just that its not really a 'standard Klingon' setup. If I'd been designing the stats the Fed and Rom versions would have the 6-7 turn and stats like listed, then the Klingon version would have a 1.0 shield and a couple thousand less hull but +3-4 on the turning and battlecruiser comm options. The Klingon mindset tends to lead from front and shed armor for more agility, and this just isn't it. Its like a repeat of the Odyssey/Bortasqu launch; sure the Bortasqu can be set up as a very solid and capable ship, but thematically its not quite right. IMHO anyways. *shrugs*
Well.....I'm one of those "heretics" that actually loved the Bortasqu'. :eek:
Well.....I'm one of those "heretics" that actually loved the Bortasqu'. :eek:
*runs away and hides* :P
"Loved the Bortasqu?" Wow. I thought that was just something Geko made up for marketing or something, "Best cruiser ever and the High Council loves it" and so on. Huh.
I alt like mad, so when I want to fly a big heavy slab of a ship, I have a Fed tac cruiser captain for that purpose. My Klingon cruiser captain, she likes her 'fat escorts' like the Tor'kaht or the Qib, and she'd stab me if I assigned her a Bortasqu or one of these things.
Anyone else think its too bad the new ships are too Klingon, and not an Orion design instead.
"Too Kllingon" in the Klingon Defense Force?
No.
But I will say, there needs to be more KDF faction ships which includes the other races aligned with the Klingon Empire. But I will never be disappointed if a ship is "Klingon."
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And I wouldn't call these things "Battleships." When you throw that word around, it implies immense firepower and protection. These ships have the protection but not the firepower. The lack of Weapon System Efficiency Cruiser Command actually goes a very long way in negating that. Even the TAC oriented variant only has the Shield and Attract Fire Cruiser Commands. Any Cruiser worth its salt for damage purposes uses Weapon System Efficiency Cruiser Command. That's a huge dealbreaker if dmg is your goal.
That said, these are basically T6 Fleet Dacoits with the new Command flair, and all the perks and negative aspects that implies. If you loved flying the Fleet Dacoit and FDCs like that, these ships are up your alley. But if you loved the performance of the Fleet Vor'Cha, Intel Qib, Mogh, these new Command Cruisers, even the TAC variant, are very lacking.
For dmg purposes, Command is extremely lacking compared to Intel. For KDF T6, in terms of damage capability with options for great flexiblity, the Battle Cloaking Qib with its powerful Intel seating is a far, FAR superior choice.
So, if these fall flat (which is a distinct possibility), Cryptic and the CDF will loudly proclaim that "The KDF got ships, and no one bought them."
I see a long, long KDF drought coming, although I would love to be proven wrong.
well this time im not falling for the buy even though i dont want it idea. they dont care if the 16% of us support it or not. its clear they dont want to sell us what we actually want. they have had plenty of time to do it if they cared.
Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days.
well this time im not falling for the buy even though i dont want it idea. they dont care if the 16% of us support it or not. its clear they dont want to sell us what we actually want. they have had plenty of time to do it if they cared.
Its a quandary- buy a 3 pack of garbage you don't want to support the KDF, or don't buy the garbage because you don't want to support them giving us garbage.
As an Eng Captain who has maxed out his Pilot Spec these look pretty damn fun to me.
Heck the only thing I find fault with is the lack of a better pet thasn To'duj fighters as the default pet, Everything else I can work with. Oh these do look fun, I'll have to get the 3 pack just for access to all the mastery traits for my 4 Kdf toons.
I am pleased
Thanks for the Advanced Light Cruiser, Allied Escort Bundles, Jem-Hadar Light Battlecruiser, and Mek'leth
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T6 updates for the Kamarag & Vor'Cha
Heavy Cruiser & a Movie Era Style AoY Utility Cruiser
So, if these fall flat (which is a distinct possibility), Cryptic and the CDF will loudly proclaim that "The KDF got ships, and no one bought them."
I see a long, long KDF drought coming, although I would love to be proven wrong.
These ships will sell in the KDF.
What ships in C-Store for the KDF have not sold?
The Guramba long ago was the hottest ship that a Klingon player could use outside of a BOP. It was even wildly popular in PVP until the advent of Fleet ships and the 5 TAC Defiants and Prometheus, which became monsters at the time.
The Marauder FDC is old, old, old, old, yet you see the Giant Space Hamster out and about here and there.
The B'Rel was one of our first C-Store endgame ships. It's still quite popular and a signature ship with the IP and the game.
The Veranus was not a high number ship but these are flown regularly enough. Or as another piece of evidence, the sheer number of times you've seen the Repair Platforms pop up in Qo'nos System Space, implying that a KDF player had to have bought the Veranus to get that console to begin with (or part of the freebie promos a while back).
The Mogh sold quite well and is still a popular and capable ship. I see these things all over the place still.
The Mat'ha did even better and for me, the most commonly flown faction T6 ship of the KDF. Even when you consider all the ships KDF players fly, the Mat'ha still is frequently found.
The Qib? Frequently flown and I see them often but not as much as the Mat'ha.
The Bortasqu', the ship that KDF players either absolutely adore or think it's the worst thing since Daikatana, has always been a frequently flown vessel. And this ship/ship pack is long in the tooth also.
Even the damn DSDs are still all over the place.
So, KDF players HAVE responded with buying the premium KDF ships that have hit the C-Store. You can even throw in Fleet ships into that. What's even more telling is that a heavy number of our Fleet ships have no C-Store version so they regularly cost us a full 4 FSMs. This occurs far more frequently than the Feds who have a lot of their ships with a C-Store and Fleet version that will cost them 1 FSM. Not so with the KDF, that's a rarity. The popular Fleet Vor'Cha? Costed everyone 4 FSMs.
But Cryptic had consistently responded over the years to relegate Non-Fed faction development 1 step above PVP... which is in complete Oblivion right now. They responded with DR's release and the lopsided number of faction ships:
Feds: 5, then +1 T6 Intrepid a week or two after DR hit.
Roms & KDF: 2 a piece
Then we got 2 sets of Lockbox, Lobi ships since DR, 2 "Mirror" quality ships at the same time.
Only then, very soon now, are the next Faction ships coming.
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TLDR: The drought is coming anyways, regardless what happens.
Too ugly, and more importantly too small to drag me out of my BortaSqu'.
Which is too bad, because the tactical command battlecruisers are looking like the best ships in the game right now.
...Oh, baby, you know, I've really got to leave you / Oh, I can hear it callin 'me / I said don't you hear it callin' me the way it used to do?...
- Anne Bredon
Hrm.. looking it over.. I get the feeling this is probably the closest we're going to get to a T6 "Revenge"/Bortasqu. I Think I'm done holding my breath waiting for one.
The Tac variant can mimic the bridge seat layout and has 'almost' 5 tac consoles with the 4-set. That said, losing the Attack Comm and size/battlefield presence is a bit sad; time will tell how useful the Inspiration abilities are in actual combat(probably limited for me due to the 'group-only' nature of it). As strange as it sounds, I'm going to miss the Auto-cannon as well - I've actually been able to start melting things with it recently thanks to all the bonus damage power creep.
I can live with the Klinzhai/Science variant visuals - hopefully it's close to the Neghvar in size at least..
I sincerely hope they give BoP's and Carriers some love now.
As an Eng Captain who has maxed out his Pilot Spec these look pretty damn fun to me.
Heck the only thing I find fault with is the lack of a better pet thasn To'duj fighters as the default pet, Everything else I can work with. Oh these do look fun, I'll have to get the 3 pack just for access to all the mastery traits for my 4 Kdf toons.
I am pleased
The To'duj fighters are just the stock pet so it wouldn't come empty. We should be able to put all kings of fighters in those hangars. I'd personally go with Elite Orion Slavers or Elite Orion Interceptors.
Too ugly, and more importantly too small to drag me out of my BortaSqu'.
Which is too bad, because the tactical command battlecruisers are looking like the best ships in the game right now.
Too small? How do you know, or you're just estimating based on turn-rate and such? Serious question, I'm wondering about the actual size as well - they look like they should be big, but then again it migh be an optical illisuon like I had with the Avenger.
See, this has to be their new pattern for ship releases. 1 ship, reskinned for each faction. It makes a certain amount of sense.
Whether we buy or not is irrelevant. The next ship will just be a clone of what Starfleet gets.
So let's give Starfleet a true T6 BoP, by all means. :rolleyes:
Well.....this batch gave Starfleet a true FDC, so.....
I personally don't really care anymore, I just want to fly mu Klingon designed ship with Klingon coloured hull and spiky red UI. It is perfectly clear that PvP is dead and diverse factions in the spirit of Trek are not something that has any chance of happening around here.
So yeah, whatevs....if Starfleet getting a raider (they already have one anyway btw) means I will get a T6 BoP as well, I don't care. I'll have a new T6 BoP. They can have their raider and feel like totally not Star Trek, meanwhile I'll still feel like I'm in a Star Trek game.
too ugly... and I also think they will not sell and this will be used to not develop anything for kdf
Well, Geko said that they're very satisfied with how the "big bundles" aka DSDs have fared on the market and they want to have more of those in the future, so that will be the model to bring new ships. Ofcourse the Feds will probably get single editions in between, but that's beyond the point here. The point is - they will develop more KDF ships, even if they come in big packs like these.
And as warmaker001b said - these will sell. KDF ships usually sell. Hell even the Bortasqu' fared really well, just not as well as Cryptic expected when they compared sales with the Odyssey - but that's due to populations, not popularity. I bet if you calculate percentages based on the percentage of the population that plays KDF, that the Bortasqu' was not so much less popular than the Odyssey. I've seen them all around the place for years, even today.
And as warmaker001b said - these will sell. KDF ships usually sell. Hell even the Bortasqu' fared really well, just not as well as Cryptic expected when they compared sales with the Odyssey - but that's due to populations, not popularity. I bet if you calculate percentages based on the percentage of the population that plays KDF, that the Bortasqu' was not so much less popular than the Odyssey. I've seen them all around the place for years, even today.
I personally like the look of the Bort, it has presence. The Eng Command ship fore section looks unfinished. I really need to see them in game before making a final decision, but atm I'm not a fan. I don't want a fancy ship like Fed/RRF, I just want something that I can look@w/pride. KDF ships should bring a sense of impending doom to their enemy, not a measure of laughter or pity.
"After achieving level 5 in the Presidio, TyGokor or Vastam Class Command ships starship mastery, you will unlock the All Hands on Deck starship trait. While this trait is slotted, activating a Tactical or Command Bridge Officer ability will reduce the recharge time of Science Bridge Officer and Captain abilities. This may only occur once every few seconds."
Depending on how much this reduces cooldowns, and how often a 'few seconds' is, this could be either a handy trait for Sci-heavy medium-tac ships (Vo'quv, Kar'fi, Sarr Theln, DSD) or OP on par with Reciprocity for all Tac captains with Tactical Initiative dropping the cooldowns of Tac abilities, which in turn reduce the cooldown of Tactical Initiative.
I personally like the look of the Bort, it has presence. The Eng Command ship fore section looks unfinished. I really need to see them in game before making a final decision, but atm I'm not a fan. I don't want a fancy ship like Fed/RRF, I just want something that I can look@w/pride. KDF ships should bring a sense of impending doom to their enemy, not a measure of laughter or pity.
TBH, the more I look at the Ty'Gokor Class from this angle in the blog, the more I like it. Looks much much better than the initial leaks and posted gifs, I could look at it with pride as you say since I too am going for that in Klingon designs, not fancy-ness. Need to see it in game and in action first, though. Probably during Smirk's friday livestream about these.
The An'Quat is a weird one for sure, but there are ugly ships that are speical kind of ugly and grow on people. There was one guy yesterday saying how he loved it because of it's blockiness and utalitarian look.
I do like the implementation what I call "observation decks" on the undersaide of the ship head section on these command ships, especially the round An'Quat one. And the similar ones on the underside of the back of those ships' main hull. Those elements look really cool to me.
And the only way for us to prove them wrong is for all of us to buy the KDF command ships! Thus making them tons of money! They win either way! Diabolical.
Where have all the good Klingon ship designers gone? I mean, say what you will about the Bortasqu', at least it looks like a proper flagship designed to fill in a sort of "super Negh'Var" role in the KDF. The Qib still looks like a proper Klingon ship even with its "intelligence" influences. And the Kamarag and Mogh, well, those two don't just look immediately Klingon, but also gorgeous in that very "I'm gonna stomp all over you and drink bloodwine from your skull" way a Klingon ship should.
These ships on the other hand... Well, looking at them you could certainly make a decent looking ship from mixing and matching the pieces (which I couldn't help but notice is how they were MARKETING these things in the reveal post, like it's some new feature or something), but individually they just look awful. Too boxy, too stubby, too much like alien of the week ships. The An'quat is probably the closest one to feeling really "Klingon" on its own to me, but I hate the bulky, derpy looking head and nacelles it has.
So yeah, whoever dropped the ball, please pick it back up and hand it to the guys that designed the Mogh.
Admiral Katrina Tokareva - U.S.S. Cosmos, Yorktown-class Star Cruiser Admiral Dananra Lekall - R.R.W. Teverresh, Deihu-class Warbird General J'Kar son of K'tsulan - I.K.S. Dlahath, Vo'devwl-class Carrier
Where have all the good Klingon ship designers gone? I mean, say what you will about the Bortasqu', at least it looks like a proper flagship designed to fill in a sort of "super Negh'Var" role in the KDF. The Qib still looks like a proper Klingon ship even with its "intelligence" influences. And the Kamarag and Mogh, well, those two don't just look immediately Klingon, but also gorgeous in that very "I'm gonna stomp all over you and drink bloodwine from your skull" way a Klingon ship should.
These ships on the other hand... Well, looking at them you could certainly make a decent looking ship from mixing and matching the pieces (which I couldn't help but notice is how they were MARKETING these things in the reveal post, like it's some new feature or something), but individually they just look awful. Too boxy, too stubby, too much like alien of the week ships. The An'quat is probably the closest one to feeling really "Klingon" on its own to me, but I hate the bulky, derpy looking head and nacelles it has.
So yeah, whoever dropped the ball, please pick it back up and hand it to the guys that designed the Mogh.
It's almost like they put all of the pieces that don't go together on the ships on purpose. Some of the combos aren't awful, but the standard configuration of every single one of them definitely is, very much.
"After achieving level 5 in the Presidio, Ty’Gokor or Vastam Class Command ship’s starship mastery, you will unlock the All Hands on Deck starship trait. While this trait is slotted, activating a Tactical or Command Bridge Officer ability will reduce the recharge time of Science Bridge Officer and Captain abilities. This may only occur once every few seconds."
Depending on how much this reduces cooldowns, and how often a 'few seconds' is, this could be either a handy trait for Sci-heavy medium-tac ships (Vo'quv, Kar'fi, Sarr Theln, DSD) or OP on par with Reciprocity for all Tac captains with Tactical Initiative dropping the cooldowns of Tac abilities, which in turn reduce the cooldown of Tactical Initiative.
We are in a game era now that we are going A2B without doing A2B.
Fed ship builds with Reciprocity will reap the benefits of this in wildly imaginable ways, far more than what the KDF and Roms can hope to achieve. Most esp when you consider that this new trait affects Captain abilities also. That is a major, MAJOR benefit.
It's almost like they put all of the pieces that don't go together on the ships on purpose. Some of the combos aren't awful, but the standard configuration of every single one of them definitely is, very much.
Well sure its on purpose. Then you have to buy all 3 ships if you want to not look hideous. Thats the way this pack is set up. If you want one trait available for all 3 factions, $90. If you want a ship thats not ugly and has all the parts available, $90. If you want the console set, $90. If you want basically anything other than just one single ship its at least $90, and honestly if you're going that far you may as well buy the $120 anyways. This whole pack is designed to push an all-in mentality.
*sigh* I do hate these psych games they play so much lately. I mean I know they've always done it, thats what marketing people do, but last 6 months or so they've just been so ham-handed at it. All the subtlety of a Gorn ballerina.
Had the chance to examine each of the packs in-game from up close now and reached the following conclusions:
KDF pack - They're not as bad as they seemed at first glance and in the first blog and leaked pictures, however they don't have that "WOW!!!" moment for me, either. And that "WOW!!!" moment is pretty important for me, it's the reason I've bought ships like the Mat'Ha, Bortasqu' or Tempest the day they were released.
Oddly enough, the most Klingon one in nature is the blockiest An'Quat. *shrugs* The others are not that bad, however I feel like they're missing something. Like they're unfinished. Not sure what, just looked like that to me.
Looking from the aft, they have really weird impulse systems - especially the Klinzhai and Ty'Gokor that reminds me of Honda Civic. *shrugs* Not that there's anything wrong with Honda, but who the heck am I here, Fernando Alonso??
Conclusion: Not impressed. May pick them up on a sale or when I stack the resources for it, to support the faction.
Fed pack - I'm not really sure what went on there, but it wasnt very good IMHO. They start off nicely with 2 of the bunch having nice circular saucers that follow the TNG style of fully fleshed saucer on the bottom rather than being cut-off like on the Sovereign. But these seemed much better on the promo pics than they do in-game. The 2 hulls slapped on top of eachother look weird, but I'm able to accept that as new fresh design perspective.
However, that double hull connection seems to be a saucer section slapped on a hull inspired by an Excelsior Class, but then the hull that connects the 2 segments lacks any windows or detailed elements that made the "Fuzzyprize" look weird, but majestic. It's like they glued the 2 hulls together and just painted that point of connection with gray paint and called it a day.
And LOL not sure what went on with the deflectors, but these are ships the size of an Odyssey with deflector dishes that seem the size of a NX. Also have no idea what went on with the overgrown "hanging" nacelles. lol
Conclusion: LOL Not sure what went on there, but it didn't end up in a good way. They have their strong points, but not strong enough to justify 3k Zen a piece.
Romulan pack - These are the interesting ones. To me, they seemed as toys or action figures on the leaks and dev. blogs. Still think that Vastam looks like a toy, however in-game the Deihu and Baratan are beautifull ships. They got just the right amount of everything, not too much and not too little. The design is much more flowing than it seemed and they look worthy for any Romulan enthusiast to have. It's one of those times when promo pictures don't do a ship justice, like it happened many times before. The Vastam is an odd one for me, but it's just one of the pack and the other two are good to go.
Conclusion: Ships are much better than they seemed in the blogs. 2 of them follow nice flowing lines and don't have an overabundance of elements not lack of the same that would take away the focus from the beautifull flow of the ship. I'm inclined to pick them up and might just do that since it's been a while since my Romulan got something pretty.
Basically, with the stack of "Battle Ready", "Reciprocity" and "All hands on deck" Fed players don't need to slot Aux2(anything) powers, they can instead stack other powers to enhance their damage rates. They don't need to use cooldown Doffs, they can stack doffs that boost their bridge officer abilities and enhance their damage, or healing, or what-have-you for as close to 100% uptime as you can get, without even needing a keybind.
It's not quite godmode...but the synergies are there to get as close as you can get without using Dev tools.
and this benefit is entirely faction specific.
Even before Command ships and spec came out, Battle Ready and Reciprocity were already no-brainers to slot. The synergy between those 2, esp if you flew an Intel ship, was ridiculously strong. Now this new trait just sets the Feds off into higher stratospheres of power. But this is all done due to Reciprocity's obvious synergy.
There is absolutely nothing in the KDF and Rom sides that have the levels of overpowering synergy as the Feds do. The traits are a mish-mash of random things that just don't synergize well enough. It's like a professional sports team going to some dirty alley to recruit some random bums to be on the team. That's what KDF & Rom ship traits are. Completely random TRIBBLE.
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i went the buy it to show support for kdf route with the mogh which i hate and the 2 t6 we got. not again its clear they are done with us now.
Well, with the 2-piece set bonus they're suposed to have +2 turn rate which considering I've had no problems lining up the DHCs on a Bortasqu' in PvE is not awfull. Combined with existing turn rate boosting consoles, I supose they'll be pretty decent to use DHC on.
I'm kinda' suprised by the turn rate of 8, I'd given them 6 or 7 based on looks. It makes me wonder about their actual size in game, I remember the Avenger looking huge on blog pictures, but in game it's roughly the size of an Intrepid.
Anyway, I build my ships in canon setups and based on how they look. So on a Ty'Gokor Class I'd most certainly use DHC/Turrets because the ship just doesn't speak "beams" to me. The Klinzhai and An'Quat on the other hand, I have no problem equiping them with beam setups.
Oh I know ya can, just that its not really a 'standard Klingon' setup. If I'd been designing the stats the Fed and Rom versions would have the 6-7 turn and stats like listed, then the Klingon version would have a 1.0 shield and a couple thousand less hull but +3-4 on the turning and battlecruiser comm options. The Klingon mindset tends to lead from front and shed armor for more agility, and this just isn't it. Its like a repeat of the Odyssey/Bortasqu launch; sure the Bortasqu can be set up as a very solid and capable ship, but thematically its not quite right. IMHO anyways. *shrugs*
Well.....I'm one of those "heretics" that actually loved the Bortasqu'. :eek:
*runs away and hides* :P
"Loved the Bortasqu?" Wow. I thought that was just something Geko made up for marketing or something, "Best cruiser ever and the High Council loves it" and so on. Huh.
I alt like mad, so when I want to fly a big heavy slab of a ship, I have a Fed tac cruiser captain for that purpose. My Klingon cruiser captain, she likes her 'fat escorts' like the Tor'kaht or the Qib, and she'd stab me if I assigned her a Bortasqu or one of these things.
"Too Kllingon" in the Klingon Defense Force?
No.
But I will say, there needs to be more KDF faction ships which includes the other races aligned with the Klingon Empire. But I will never be disappointed if a ship is "Klingon."
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And I wouldn't call these things "Battleships." When you throw that word around, it implies immense firepower and protection. These ships have the protection but not the firepower. The lack of Weapon System Efficiency Cruiser Command actually goes a very long way in negating that. Even the TAC oriented variant only has the Shield and Attract Fire Cruiser Commands. Any Cruiser worth its salt for damage purposes uses Weapon System Efficiency Cruiser Command. That's a huge dealbreaker if dmg is your goal.
That said, these are basically T6 Fleet Dacoits with the new Command flair, and all the perks and negative aspects that implies. If you loved flying the Fleet Dacoit and FDCs like that, these ships are up your alley. But if you loved the performance of the Fleet Vor'Cha, Intel Qib, Mogh, these new Command Cruisers, even the TAC variant, are very lacking.
For dmg purposes, Command is extremely lacking compared to Intel. For KDF T6, in terms of damage capability with options for great flexiblity, the Battle Cloaking Qib with its powerful Intel seating is a far, FAR superior choice.
I see a long, long KDF drought coming, although I would love to be proven wrong.
well this time im not falling for the buy even though i dont want it idea. they dont care if the 16% of us support it or not. its clear they dont want to sell us what we actually want. they have had plenty of time to do it if they cared.
Its a quandary- buy a 3 pack of garbage you don't want to support the KDF, or don't buy the garbage because you don't want to support them giving us garbage.
It's a lose/lose, IMO.
Heck the only thing I find fault with is the lack of a better pet thasn To'duj fighters as the default pet, Everything else I can work with. Oh these do look fun, I'll have to get the 3 pack just for access to all the mastery traits for my 4 Kdf toons.
I am pleased
These ships will sell in the KDF.
What ships in C-Store for the KDF have not sold?
The Guramba long ago was the hottest ship that a Klingon player could use outside of a BOP. It was even wildly popular in PVP until the advent of Fleet ships and the 5 TAC Defiants and Prometheus, which became monsters at the time.
The Marauder FDC is old, old, old, old, yet you see the Giant Space Hamster out and about here and there.
The B'Rel was one of our first C-Store endgame ships. It's still quite popular and a signature ship with the IP and the game.
The Veranus was not a high number ship but these are flown regularly enough. Or as another piece of evidence, the sheer number of times you've seen the Repair Platforms pop up in Qo'nos System Space, implying that a KDF player had to have bought the Veranus to get that console to begin with (or part of the freebie promos a while back).
The Mogh sold quite well and is still a popular and capable ship. I see these things all over the place still.
The Mat'ha did even better and for me, the most commonly flown faction T6 ship of the KDF. Even when you consider all the ships KDF players fly, the Mat'ha still is frequently found.
The Qib? Frequently flown and I see them often but not as much as the Mat'ha.
The Bortasqu', the ship that KDF players either absolutely adore or think it's the worst thing since Daikatana, has always been a frequently flown vessel. And this ship/ship pack is long in the tooth also.
Even the damn DSDs are still all over the place.
So, KDF players HAVE responded with buying the premium KDF ships that have hit the C-Store. You can even throw in Fleet ships into that. What's even more telling is that a heavy number of our Fleet ships have no C-Store version so they regularly cost us a full 4 FSMs. This occurs far more frequently than the Feds who have a lot of their ships with a C-Store and Fleet version that will cost them 1 FSM. Not so with the KDF, that's a rarity. The popular Fleet Vor'Cha? Costed everyone 4 FSMs.
But Cryptic had consistently responded over the years to relegate Non-Fed faction development 1 step above PVP... which is in complete Oblivion right now. They responded with DR's release and the lopsided number of faction ships:
Feds: 5, then +1 T6 Intrepid a week or two after DR hit.
Roms & KDF: 2 a piece
Then we got 2 sets of Lockbox, Lobi ships since DR, 2 "Mirror" quality ships at the same time.
Only then, very soon now, are the next Faction ships coming.
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TLDR: The drought is coming anyways, regardless what happens.
Which is too bad, because the tactical command battlecruisers are looking like the best ships in the game right now.
...Oh, baby, you know, I've really got to leave you / Oh, I can hear it callin 'me / I said don't you hear it callin' me the way it used to do?...
- Anne Bredon
Whether we buy or not is irrelevant. The next ship will just be a clone of what Starfleet gets.
So let's give Starfleet a true T6 BoP, by all means. :rolleyes:
IKS Korrasami (Fleet B'rel Bird of Prey Retrofit T5-U)
The Tac variant can mimic the bridge seat layout and has 'almost' 5 tac consoles with the 4-set. That said, losing the Attack Comm and size/battlefield presence is a bit sad; time will tell how useful the Inspiration abilities are in actual combat(probably limited for me due to the 'group-only' nature of it). As strange as it sounds, I'm going to miss the Auto-cannon as well - I've actually been able to start melting things with it recently thanks to all the bonus damage power creep.
I can live with the Klinzhai/Science variant visuals - hopefully it's close to the Neghvar in size at least..
I sincerely hope they give BoP's and Carriers some love now.
Playing STO spamming FAW is like playing chess using always the computer's suggested moves
The To'duj fighters are just the stock pet so it wouldn't come empty. We should be able to put all kings of fighters in those hangars. I'd personally go with Elite Orion Slavers or Elite Orion Interceptors.
Too small? How do you know, or you're just estimating based on turn-rate and such? Serious question, I'm wondering about the actual size as well - they look like they should be big, but then again it migh be an optical illisuon like I had with the Avenger.
Well.....this batch gave Starfleet a true FDC, so.....
I personally don't really care anymore, I just want to fly mu Klingon designed ship with Klingon coloured hull and spiky red UI. It is perfectly clear that PvP is dead and diverse factions in the spirit of Trek are not something that has any chance of happening around here.
So yeah, whatevs....if Starfleet getting a raider (they already have one anyway btw) means I will get a T6 BoP as well, I don't care. I'll have a new T6 BoP. They can have their raider and feel like totally not Star Trek, meanwhile I'll still feel like I'm in a Star Trek game.
Well, Geko said that they're very satisfied with how the "big bundles" aka DSDs have fared on the market and they want to have more of those in the future, so that will be the model to bring new ships. Ofcourse the Feds will probably get single editions in between, but that's beyond the point here. The point is - they will develop more KDF ships, even if they come in big packs like these.
And as warmaker001b said - these will sell. KDF ships usually sell. Hell even the Bortasqu' fared really well, just not as well as Cryptic expected when they compared sales with the Odyssey - but that's due to populations, not popularity. I bet if you calculate percentages based on the percentage of the population that plays KDF, that the Bortasqu' was not so much less popular than the Odyssey. I've seen them all around the place for years, even today.
I personally like the look of the Bort, it has presence. The Eng Command ship fore section looks unfinished. I really need to see them in game before making a final decision, but atm I'm not a fan. I don't want a fancy ship like Fed/RRF, I just want something that I can look@w/pride. KDF ships should bring a sense of impending doom to their enemy, not a measure of laughter or pity.
Depending on how much this reduces cooldowns, and how often a 'few seconds' is, this could be either a handy trait for Sci-heavy medium-tac ships (Vo'quv, Kar'fi, Sarr Theln, DSD) or OP on par with Reciprocity for all Tac captains with Tactical Initiative dropping the cooldowns of Tac abilities, which in turn reduce the cooldown of Tactical Initiative.
TBH, the more I look at the Ty'Gokor Class from this angle in the blog, the more I like it. Looks much much better than the initial leaks and posted gifs, I could look at it with pride as you say since I too am going for that in Klingon designs, not fancy-ness. Need to see it in game and in action first, though. Probably during Smirk's friday livestream about these.
The An'Quat is a weird one for sure, but there are ugly ships that are speical kind of ugly and grow on people. There was one guy yesterday saying how he loved it because of it's blockiness and utalitarian look.
I do like the implementation what I call "observation decks" on the undersaide of the ship head section on these command ships, especially the round An'Quat one. And the similar ones on the underside of the back of those ships' main hull. Those elements look really cool to me.
Correction- WE lose either way.
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
These ships on the other hand... Well, looking at them you could certainly make a decent looking ship from mixing and matching the pieces (which I couldn't help but notice is how they were MARKETING these things in the reveal post, like it's some new feature or something), but individually they just look awful. Too boxy, too stubby, too much like alien of the week ships. The An'quat is probably the closest one to feeling really "Klingon" on its own to me, but I hate the bulky, derpy looking head and nacelles it has.
So yeah, whoever dropped the ball, please pick it back up and hand it to the guys that designed the Mogh.
Admiral Dananra Lekall - R.R.W. Teverresh, Deihu-class Warbird
General J'Kar son of K'tsulan - I.K.S. Dlahath, Vo'devwl-class Carrier
It's almost like they put all of the pieces that don't go together on the ships on purpose. Some of the combos aren't awful, but the standard configuration of every single one of them definitely is, very much.
We are in a game era now that we are going A2B without doing A2B.
Fed ship builds with Reciprocity will reap the benefits of this in wildly imaginable ways, far more than what the KDF and Roms can hope to achieve. Most esp when you consider that this new trait affects Captain abilities also. That is a major, MAJOR benefit.
Well sure its on purpose. Then you have to buy all 3 ships if you want to not look hideous. Thats the way this pack is set up. If you want one trait available for all 3 factions, $90. If you want a ship thats not ugly and has all the parts available, $90. If you want the console set, $90. If you want basically anything other than just one single ship its at least $90, and honestly if you're going that far you may as well buy the $120 anyways. This whole pack is designed to push an all-in mentality.
*sigh* I do hate these psych games they play so much lately. I mean I know they've always done it, thats what marketing people do, but last 6 months or so they've just been so ham-handed at it. All the subtlety of a Gorn ballerina.
KDF pack - They're not as bad as they seemed at first glance and in the first blog and leaked pictures, however they don't have that "WOW!!!" moment for me, either. And that "WOW!!!" moment is pretty important for me, it's the reason I've bought ships like the Mat'Ha, Bortasqu' or Tempest the day they were released.
Oddly enough, the most Klingon one in nature is the blockiest An'Quat. *shrugs* The others are not that bad, however I feel like they're missing something. Like they're unfinished. Not sure what, just looked like that to me.
Looking from the aft, they have really weird impulse systems - especially the Klinzhai and Ty'Gokor that reminds me of Honda Civic. *shrugs* Not that there's anything wrong with Honda, but who the heck am I here, Fernando Alonso??
Conclusion: Not impressed. May pick them up on a sale or when I stack the resources for it, to support the faction.
Fed pack - I'm not really sure what went on there, but it wasnt very good IMHO. They start off nicely with 2 of the bunch having nice circular saucers that follow the TNG style of fully fleshed saucer on the bottom rather than being cut-off like on the Sovereign. But these seemed much better on the promo pics than they do in-game. The 2 hulls slapped on top of eachother look weird, but I'm able to accept that as new fresh design perspective.
However, that double hull connection seems to be a saucer section slapped on a hull inspired by an Excelsior Class, but then the hull that connects the 2 segments lacks any windows or detailed elements that made the "Fuzzyprize" look weird, but majestic. It's like they glued the 2 hulls together and just painted that point of connection with gray paint and called it a day.
And LOL
Conclusion: LOL
Romulan pack - These are the interesting ones. To me, they seemed as toys or action figures on the leaks and dev. blogs. Still think that Vastam looks like a toy, however in-game the Deihu and Baratan are beautifull ships. They got just the right amount of everything, not too much and not too little. The design is much more flowing than it seemed and they look worthy for any Romulan enthusiast to have. It's one of those times when promo pictures don't do a ship justice, like it happened many times before. The Vastam is an odd one for me, but it's just one of the pack and the other two are good to go.
Conclusion: Ships are much better than they seemed in the blogs. 2 of them follow nice flowing lines and don't have an overabundance of elements not lack of the same that would take away the focus from the beautifull flow of the ship. I'm inclined to pick them up and might just do that since it's been a while since my Romulan got something pretty.
Even before Command ships and spec came out, Battle Ready and Reciprocity were already no-brainers to slot. The synergy between those 2, esp if you flew an Intel ship, was ridiculously strong. Now this new trait just sets the Feds off into higher stratospheres of power. But this is all done due to Reciprocity's obvious synergy.
There is absolutely nothing in the KDF and Rom sides that have the levels of overpowering synergy as the Feds do. The traits are a mish-mash of random things that just don't synergize well enough. It's like a professional sports team going to some dirty alley to recruit some random bums to be on the team. That's what KDF & Rom ship traits are. Completely random TRIBBLE.