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I dont get it .. People hoarded marks to turn in at DIL event

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  • lored2deathlored2death Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    hojain2020 wrote: »
    Too true bro. Your wife is right me thinks. Im an F2P player and been around for a few months. Spent a few dollars on ships and the rest of the time trying to earn stuff to improve my build. But the incessant money grubbing through game design and nerfs is putting me off from this title.

    I cant imagine new players actually getting involved in this game. It feels like its just catered to them peeps who were playing back in 2012 or something. LOL the posts i see on this forum are only from peeps from that year.

    I can't speak for other long-time players but I certainly do not feel catered to. DR and everything since has killed my alts' progression, many of my boffs lost commander abilities, rewards in my favorite stfs got nerfed, etc.

    I don't know if STO is catering to anyone at this point.
  • darkjeffdarkjeff Member Posts: 2,590 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Because the event isn't to reward you for stuff you did 4 months ago. It's about getting people to actively play the game on the event. And "active" play is not exactly hopping characters and turning in hundreds of marks.

    It's not only an incentive for people to come back to the game and play it (but with whom, if everyone is turning in marks), but it's also a way to give them a bit of a head start so they don't lag quite as strong behind the people that log in every day. But by allowing people to bank marks for extra rewards on this item, the effect is completely the opposite. Only people that regularly play could reap the full rewards.

    This.

    It had never made sense how it worked before, because the entire point of these promotional weekends is to get people to log in and play during the event.
    Sure but, we used to get rep gear in the missions before. That's what I was referring too.

    AFAIK, the only now-reputation item we could get in missions was the Assimilated Console.
    That doesn't read like it was written by an employee at all. also it seems to conflate "Community manager" with a development manager...

    I'd say it's probably a hoax.

    "A mistake was made recently in a game and best they could do was extend an event."
    "The player-base have submitted their results of particular game-play and have continuously been ignored."

    Yeah, clearly this isn't a whining player pretending to be an employee. :rolleyes:
  • norobladnoroblad Member Posts: 2,624 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    the devs are trying to fight human nature, lol.

    People by nature take the least path of resistance toward a goal. If its to get dil, they make alts and get it rather than try to 8k cap using advanced STF qs. Because one of the methods takes a couple of min/day, and the other one about 3 hours.

    If its dil weekend, ppl turn in alt's rep for 10s of thousands and turn in marks because its easier than doing the dil mine 45 times/day.

    If its "save the space station" people sit afk because the rewards are the same.

    The nerfs are to try to get people to stop looking for the easy way out on everything and to actually play the game. A compromise should be in order, I don't approve of the heavy handed surprise nerfs either, but I understand it. Extending the dil to a week, if they do that every time, seems reasonable, but they still should have said something about 2 months ago.

    Its an uphill battle. The game has too many easy way out "exploits" (not the usual cheating sense of the word but the idea of abusing things to maximize efficiency over actually playing the game) now, taking them away makes ppl mad. It should never have been designed this way to begin with ... all game play should be about equally rewarding for time spent, to encourage ppl to just do what is fun for them, rather than to "farm".
  • stoatheiststoatheist Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    I'll keep my skepticism on Glassdoor, but the more that turn up that are the same or within the same parameters, the odds of it being a hoax are less likely. I'm sure there is a significant process an employee or someone has to go through in order to get this published on the website. I highly doubt just anyone can go on there and post whatever they feel like.
  • raeatraeat Member Posts: 186 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    imruined wrote: »

    Time to get a grip... Really...

    Gosh. A white knight, making white knight noises. Don't you ever get tired of being a tool? Perhaps when everyone else has gotten a grip, and stopped playing, you will get a grip, when there is no one to play with. Unlikely though. Fanatics are fanatics and would rather just self-righteously watch the world burn, rather than admit any change is needed.

    You are uninteresting and pointless.
  • raeatraeat Member Posts: 186 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    stoatheist wrote: »
    I'll keep my skepticism on Glassdoor, but the more that turn up that are the same or within the same parameters, the odds of it being a hoax are less likely. I'm sure there is a significant process an employee or someone has to go through in order to get this published on the website. I highly doubt just anyone can go on there and post whatever they feel like.

    What your detractors are engaged in, my friend, is called confirmation bias. They include what agrees with them and ignore what doesn't. Typical unthinking nonsense.

    The evidence is all for Craptic mismanagement, in just about every possible way. Rational people are able to revise their opinions based on evidence. White knights are incapable of this. They get their egos involved and refuse to acknowledge the darkness when the lights are turned off.

    For these people Craptic will never be able to do any wrong, no matter what they do, however vile, however much it victimizes their players.
  • aelfwin1aelfwin1 Member Posts: 2,896 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    imruined wrote: »
    Cryptic have promised you NOTHING... Notta... Zilch... Zip...

    (snip)

    H - Y - P - O - C - R - I - T - E

    (snip)

    You are beyond foolish...

    (snip)

    The entitlement is strong in these forums...

    On the surface , it seems to me that Cryptic have not promised you anything either slim .

    Yet it seems like you got nothing else to do the to jump from thread to thread and antagonize and degrade ppl .
    I think you need professional help at this point...

    If I take your username as just one more witty sarcasm from you together with your "punisher" logo , I might think that is is you who is in the need of some quality intervention (or at least some manners) .

    Unless that is ...
    In fact, I'm expecting a hefty paycheck from Cryptic any day now...


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  • datacookdatacook Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    It's screamingly obvious that the mark and BNP/etc jobs were there for players to fill out their 8k daily, not to hoard for months and cash in 300k dil at a time. Presumably players to running 12+stfs a day to get their 8k dil because "can't spend the marks, they'll be worth more later" was not intended play.

    Just cash in your marks when you get em.
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  • aelfwin1aelfwin1 Member Posts: 2,896 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    datacook wrote: »
    It's screamingly obvious that the mark and BNP/etc jobs were there for players to fill out their 8k daily, not to hoard for months and cash in 300k dil at a time.

    Are you trying to tell me how to play the game buddy ?

    Don't you think you might need at least 10 posts on these forums to do that ?! :D







    ... see I need to get payed to even look at advice from upstart shills like you ...
  • raeatraeat Member Posts: 186 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    datacook wrote: »
    It's screamingly obvious that the mark and BNP/etc jobs were there for players to fill out their 8k daily, not to hoard for months and cash in 300k dil at a time. Presumably players to running 12+stfs a day to get their 8k dil because "can't spend the marks, they'll be worth more later" was not intended play.

    Just cash in your marks when you get em.

    I's screamingly obvious (to most people) that at least some people are going to try to get the best bang for their buck in most cases. That's not new and most companies seek to use (dare i say "exploit") that tendency. Hence, we see things like sales, buy one get one free specials, and advertising that appeals to the buyer's interests. Most companies understand this. The ones that don't tend to go out of business.

    It is screamingly obvious that Craptic originally put the event in place to appeal to players seeking the best bang for their buck, back when Craptic didn't seem to think it was an ivory tower of righteousness, complete with white knights meaninglessly thinking they know the will of God. Now, Craptic is taking a self-defined high road, defying the most basic principle of dealing (be it corporate PR or simple getting along) with others, right over a cliff...

    Meanwhile their players are telling them, "Stop this; it will result in customers and potential customers abandoning you." The queues are empty. The fleets are falling apart. The forums are now constantly afire with anger, no matter how many fake threads are put in to try to make it look like people are still actually interested in the game, and no matter how many white knights spew their nonsense. Because it is not a game anymore - it is an ordeal.

    Some of us just hope against hope someone will listen before it is too late and the game cannot be saved. But, everyone has their breaking point, and eventually everyone reaches it... Hence I spent 18 minutes in STO yesterday and played Rift for the rest of my considerable game time. I could be playing STO, giving the whales someone to play with, but apparently, Craptic doesn't even care enough about their whales to provide them anyone else to play with. STO is now MSORPG (minimally single player online role playing grind).
  • raeatraeat Member Posts: 186 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    "I dont get it .. People hoarded marks to turn in at DIL event"

    The negative connotation word is suspect, but...

    What I don't get is why Craptic expected anything else. Why are we responsible for their mismanagement? Are we supposed to be doing careful, meticulous spreadsheets factoring in how this or that behaviour might cost them a few pennies, when their spreadsheets don't have a column for player fun?

    Seriously, Craptic looks like a company vilifying their clients for going to the store during a sale, a sale they presented to give the company good PR. Makes absolutely no sense at all and angers the client base...

    Most companies factor in the sale as part of the standard costs of doing business. They don't try to preach denigration of the clients when they show up at the store.
  • vengefuldjinnvengefuldjinn Member Posts: 1,521 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    aelfwin1, Great signature pic ! :D
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  • imruinedimruined Member Posts: 1,457 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    raeat wrote: »
    ... Fanatics are fanatics and would rather just self-righteously watch the world burn, rather than admit any change is needed.

    You are uninteresting and pointless.
    raeat wrote: »
    What your detractors are engaged in, my friend, is called confirmation bias. They include what agrees with them and ignore what doesn't. Typical unthinking nonsense.

    ... Rational people are able to revise their opinions based on evidence. White knights are incapable of this. They get their egos involved and refuse to acknowledge the darkness when the lights are turned off.

    ... victimizes their players.

    This really is just too funny, you're demonstrating more and more just how much of a hypocrite you truly are...

    You keep spouting this nonsense, now trying to actually speak from the moral high ground it seems (sorry, that boat left long ago when it comes to you), about anyone who disagrees with you, even after it's been made clear in countless posts that the very antics you're associating with 'white knights' is a perfect reflection of your own behaviour...

    When you cannot disprove the 'white knights' with rational argument, you go out of your way to instead deride and denigrate them (and Cryptic), not to mention throwing around the term 'white knight' as if it instantly confirms your position as 'correct'...

    Yet again, I've not seen a single statement in either post that was nothing more than baseless hyperbole, which, I'm afraid to say, does not win you an argument despite what you, and your average politician, might think...
    aelfwin1 wrote: »
    On the surface , it seems to me that Cryptic have not promised you anything either slim .

    Yet it seems like you got nothing else to do the to jump from thread to thread and antagonize and degrade ppl .

    Well, there have been moments where you too have tried recently, but failed to deride and antagonise me - refering to someone as 'slim' is usually portrayed as a condescending term for example... I also noticed you failed to respond to my explanation regarding how much time I presently have on my hands... This it seems would be another - I'd have thought you might have thought twice after the last time, but apparently not...

    And you really must not be paying too much attention if you feel that I only go out of my way to 'antagonise and deride' others, or is it your only seeing those posts where you disagree with the sentiments being posted because they reflect a differing stance?

    I'll fully admit, when I encounter a poster like those quoted above, I'm not going to suger coat it for them... If someone is going to jump on these forums and have a crack at me for nothing more than making my opinion known, I will respond...
    aelfwin1 wrote: »
    If I take your username as just one more witty sarcasm from you together with your "punisher" logo , I might think that is is you who is in the need of some quality intervention (or at least some manners) .

    Unless that is ...

    :)

    Yet again, you try and suggest I am the one antagonising and deriding others, yet you then make such infantile inferences like these... First there was the childish crack about my time on the forums, now you try and take a crack at my username and chosen avatar...

    You really are descening into childish school yard insults here, aren't you?

    Is this a sign you really have nothing rational to respond to my posts with, instead, resorting to infantile name calling... What's next? You'll make fun of my shoelaces or something?

    I will however take the time (since I have plenty anyway) to respond...

    My username is derived from one of my favourite bands, a female fronted metal act called My Ruin whom I've been a fan of (including the singers previous band Tura Satana) since my teens...

    As to the avatar, I happened upon it while messing around with my Steam account and noticed it was very similar to the logo of the STO fleet which I belong to, so it seemed like an appropriate choice...

    Now, any other childish barbs you'd like to make, or are you done?
    The entitlement is strong in these forums...

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  • datacookdatacook Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    raeat wrote: »
    I's screamingly obvious (to most people) that at least some people are going to try to get the best bang for their buck in most cases. That's not new and most companies seek to use (dare i say "exploit") that tendency. Hence, we see things like sales, buy one get one free specials, and advertising that appeals to the buyer's interests. Most companies understand this. The ones that don't tend to go out of business.

    It is screamingly obvious that Craptic originally put the event in place to appeal to players seeking the best bang for their buck, back when Craptic didn't seem to think it was an ivory tower of righteousness, complete with white knights meaninglessly thinking they know the will of God. Now, Craptic is taking a self-defined high road, defying the most basic principle of dealing (be it corporate PR or simple getting along) with others, right over a cliff...

    Meanwhile their players are telling them, "Stop this; it will result in customers and potential customers abandoning you." The queues are empty. The fleets are falling apart. The forums are now constantly afire with anger, no matter how many fake threads are put in to try to make it look like people are still actually interested in the game, and no matter how many white knights spew their nonsense. Because it is not a game anymore - it is an ordeal.

    Some of us just hope against hope someone will listen before it is too late and the game cannot be saved. But, everyone has their breaking point, and eventually everyone reaches it... Hence I spent 18 minutes in STO yesterday and played Rift for the rest of my considerable game time. I could be playing STO, giving the whales someone to play with, but apparently, Craptic doesn't even care enough about their whales to provide them anyone else to play with. STO is now MSORPG (minimally single player online role playing grind).

    Yeah and the player behaviour that encouraged was even more needless grinding. Don't spend marks because they'll be worth more later but still gotta make that 8k. Marks will be worth more later so gotta do stuff that gets marks. Wana do it fast, so gotta run the fastest content...cue players running the same 2-3 missions for 3 hours and then complaining that the game is boring.

    You can cap out your dil in an hour or so comfortably just by doing things. My main toon is sitting on 139k refined and a 202k backlog poke at some foundry mission, hit the mines, grab some fleet mates and go hit some borg, hand in the marks, load up some doff missions, chuck some contraband at the security officer. CCA is worth 1720 dil if it's your first set of nukara marks, a 15 minutes long foundry spotlight is 2880. Grab one of the grinder missions later in the day, another 1460. A borg three pack, thats well north of 5000 for 20-30 minutes work. Hit the red alerts, good for 480 and several thousand spec exp. Hit the tau Dewa sector patrol, thats what another thousand? 1480 if you get a tholian red alert; not to mention a couple hundred K ec from the loot. On. And on. And on.

    Need extra dil to gear an alt? Finish your rep on them. Assuming you're actually doing stuff in the game you can polish off the marks for that with 6-7 days of play and once done it'll cough up 200k dil, more than enough to kit out a toon with decent mk XIV gear.

    Insist on doing everything "as efficiently as possible" because you must have max spec and crtdx4 gold antiproton guns RIGHT NOW and you're just responsible for your own pain.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    stoatheist wrote: »
    I'll keep my skepticism on Glassdoor, but the more that turn up that are the same or within the same parameters, the odds of it being a hoax are less likely. I'm sure there is a significant process an employee or someone has to go through in order to get this published on the website. I highly doubt just anyone can go on there and post whatever they feel like.
    Yeah, they don't have any verification prior to submittal. I'd say the increase in things is based on people reading about the site on the forum and deciding they want to toss in their thoughts.

    As for verifiability? Check this out.
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  • crusader2007crusader2007 Member Posts: 1,883 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    That's why I like to call it, "Nerfs Rising."

    WOW thats a good one...NERF's Rising :D:D:D
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  • crusader2007crusader2007 Member Posts: 1,883 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    That doesn't read like it was written by an employee at all. also it seems to conflate "Community manager" with a development manager...

    I'd say it's probably a hoax.

    There are many other reviews that are negative...some positives. Does it help either way? Not IMO.

    Don't know if its a Hoax then again there are lots of negatives comments from several sources in there...whats peculiar is that people will be negative no matter what. Also, people will believe whatever they want.

    For sure PWE has some serious issues but to each its own to infer your own judgement.
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  • blakes7tvseriesblakes7tvseries Member Posts: 704 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    They want people to play in more queues and play longer.

    Reducing Dilithium achieves that goal for them.

    Somewhere out there is fact sheet that says the longer people play the greater the chance they will spend money.

    In truth before DR people played and burned through content to fast then left.
    No it takes new people twice as long or longer increasing the possibility of them spending some cash.

    I bet Cryptics judges the player base on actions and not based on a bunch of forums post.
    They will change stuff to earn money as needed and good for them hope they make loads of cash.
    If you want to play they game you better hope they keeping making money the same.
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  • millimidgetmillimidget Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Somewhere out there is fact sheet that says the longer people play the greater the chance they will spend money.

    In truth before DR people played and burned through content to fast then left.
    No it takes new people twice as long or longer increasing the possibility of them spending some cash.
    Thankfully, that leaves plenty of room for better developers to show just how pathetically laughable such an approach is.
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  • prierinprierin Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    hojain2020 wrote: »
    Why has this been changed? can someone explain this to me. (the official post says something like making it a more valuable thing by returning it regularly)

    Is there an game breaking issue that arises when players play content and earn stuff to save for a best exchange period ? After all to hoard stuff you still have to play content right? ..right?

    Further the Dil event always had this extra dil reward for turning in marks. Why do the the peeps at cryptic have their panties in a bunch about it now? It does not make sense to me.


    It's simple.

    Cryptic wants dil to be more valuable. To achieve this they have increased the overall dil cost on items whilst simultaneously decreasing the overall dil reward. Their overall plan, force players to purchase zen to exchange into dil.

    Players like myself who collect marks but don't really use them (I won't say hoarding as that insinuates greed on the part of the players – after all, when all storylines are completed and there are no new missions, what do we have left other than dailies which happen to award marks?) have an opportunity to exchange those marks for dil without spending zen. Save them for bonus dil weekends and we increase the amount of “free” dilithium. This does not run parallel with Cryptics zen / dilithium model and, therefore, is “bad”.

    I wish there was another explanation but, to be honest, there isn’t.
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  • lostyuslostyus Member Posts: 208 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Although (before this nerf) it seemed the players were planning ahead, Cryptic has not planned ahead and has no idea how this is gonna affect the game in a negative way.

    As people have mentioned, people play these queues all year round to then eventually turn marks in when there's a Dil weekend. Now these people won't be in the queues, they won't be farming marks and won't even be on for the Dil weekends either as they won't have a reason to.

    When the game starts losing players, expect even more reward nerfs :(
  • raeatraeat Member Posts: 186 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Relentless downward spiral program initiated. Punish the players for playing well. Unleash the white knights to try to quell unrest.

    Some companies just like to watch the game burn.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    lostyus wrote: »
    Although (before this nerf) it seemed the players were planning ahead, Cryptic has not planned ahead and has no idea how this is gonna affect the game in a negative way.

    As people have mentioned, people play these queues all year round to then eventually turn marks in when there's a Dil weekend. Now these people won't be in the queues, they won't be farming marks and won't even be on for the Dil weekends either as they won't have a reason to.

    When the game starts losing players, expect even more reward nerfs :(
    Or do they? I keep hearing a rumor that they're empty and abandoned. :P

    I don't quite get why people thought every bonus event was going to be the same.
    There are many other reviews that are negative...some positives. Does it help either way? Not IMO.

    Don't know if its a Hoax then again there are lots of negatives comments from several sources in there...whats peculiar is that people will be negative no matter what. Also, people will believe whatever they want.

    For sure PWE has some serious issues but to each its own to infer your own judgement.
    Well, I read several of them. http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Perfect-World-Entertainment-Reviews-E285012.htm A lot of them sound genuine. But the one posted Saturday? It sounds like forum whining. Another that sounds suspicious is the one that was posted Jun 30, 2014 labeled “A Nightmare on Twin Dolphin Street”.

    The sheer level of bashing is impressive. But that's not what makes it suspicious. It starts out by saying that at the time of posting the poster had worked for PWE more than 3 years.... Cryptic got sold to PWE around May 31, 2011. I suppose technically 3 years and 1 month counts, but it's an odd way to start your rant. the part that really makes it suspicious is the unfocused nature of the bashing. It's not clear who he repeatedly tells "You don't know everything." It's apparently either upper management or upper, upper management, because he refers to his co-workers as a cesspool... and later says that management should hire qualified personnel... and spends an entire paragraph ranting about how the top doesn't listen to the people below them..... And that... comes across like an angry forum post.
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  • imruinedimruined Member Posts: 1,457 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    raeat wrote: »
    Relentless downward spiral program initiated. Punish the players for playing well. Unleash the white knights to try to quell unrest.

    Some companies just like to watch the game burn.

    Why? Why would any company in their right minds, with investors to keep happy (no, players are NOT investors unless you own stock in PWE) intentionally kill off one of their flagship products?

    Do you even have the slightest clue how the world actually works?
    The entitlement is strong in these forums...

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  • mvp333mvp333 Member Posts: 509 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    The official response was that the, say, 5-20 minutes it would take for people to turn in marks would take away playing time during the event.

    No, they figured that people might just turn in the piles of marks and not bother with actually playing... IMO they're right to be worried - there are so many issues with the content that does exist (Rewards, difficulty... All skewed. Every last number.) I'm kinda discouraged from playing myself - but there isn't really much they can do about the larger issues instantly.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    I had no idea they were in a building on 'Twin Dolphin Street'. You set off my synchronicity again.
    Light and dark, good and bad, yin and yang. Maybe they need to move to the other side of the building?
    I didn't name the post. That title came from whoever it was that posted it.
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  • dongemaharudongemaharu Member Posts: 544 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    mvp333 wrote: »
    No, they figured that people might just turn in the piles of marks and not bother with actually playing... IMO they're right to be worried - there are so many issues with the content that does exist (Rewards, difficulty... All skewed. Every last number.) I'm kinda discouraged from playing myself - but there isn't really much they can do about the larger issues instantly.

    It's hard to imagine someone turning in marks , then leaving. It's like saying that giving someone coupons makes them less likely to shop. People convert marks and get a lot of dilithium then start upgrading gear or services to improve their gameplay for a more enjoyable experience. I guess I can only speak for myself when I say that when I find out the stuff I have is suddenly less valuable, I'm much less in the mood to play.
  • lored2deathlored2death Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Because the event isn't to reward you for stuff you did 4 months ago....

    Only people that regularly play could reap the full rewards.

    Yeah...isn't that kind of the point, rewarding players for regularly logging in and playing?
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