Insofar as I wasn't hear pre-launch, but I have been here since March 2010. And in that time I can't think of any instance where something this relatively petty has gotten this much outrage.
Still, I guess I should expect it. The whole community is sensitive right now with the DR burn still raw. Irrational lashing out is something I should expect.
Getting this mad over a lazy source of dil income is silly.
Claiming "greed" because you can't stand still and click two buttons to reap maximum rewards is silly and hypocritical.
Relax, turn on some soothing music, and go shoot dinosaurs for an hour per toon. Problem solved.
Wow.
First off, calling others "lazy" is not helping your point...especially when those people worked their asses off to gather the marks for this "lazy" turn in.
Second, Cryptic made a promise with they then retroactively took back. That's bad business.
Third, this is not the first, but the most recent in a LONG string of misinformation, "mistakes", bugs and errors which are fixed by trying to erase evidence of the failure, rather than trying to remedy the issue.
Still, I guess I should expect it. The whole community is sensitive right now with the DR burn still raw. Irrational lashing out is something I should expect.
Indeed. One would think, or hope, that Cryptic would have the sense to not pour more gas on the fires/coals ... especially in a way that somehow manages to be simultaneously audacious ("also, we have always been at war with Eurasia") and petty.
Getting this mad over a lazy source of dil income is silly.
That's a joke, right? Marks conversion is hard work. It shouldn't be, but it is. :mad:
I'm personally not that upset for the loss of the bonus itself (yay, I don't have to work the salt mines this weekend after all :rolleyes: ), but since I nonetheless do have a massive amount of excess marks I'll have to convert at some point, I would like a way to do it that didn't count as a full-time job.
Reading forum fires is more relaxing and more enjoyable than playing the game at this point.
Were you here during the days of the hundred+ page "server went down again" threads? They just don't happen anymore but oh man, when they did it was the best entertainment you could ask for.
Getting this mad over a lazy source of dil income is silly.
Claiming "greed" because you can't stand still and click two buttons to reap maximum rewards is silly and hypocritical.
Relax, turn on some soothing music, and go shoot dinosaurs for 20 HOURS per toon. Problem solved.
Fixed a minor math error with your post.
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There are strange people in the world. Some get so proud of doing things the stupid, slow, painful, inefficient way oblivious to any possibility of doing things better, they then become determined to drag everyone down into their quagmire of misery.
This is not the lazy way of making dil. It was the way to make dil the game encouraged with the event.
If Cryptic now thinks this was a mistake then tell us immediately after the event so we can adjust our in-game behaviour to account for it. Don't wait until the beginning of the next event to say, "Surprise. **** you. You ain't getting the benefit we promised you! Hahahahahah!"
Scummy, scummy behaviour, even by Craptic standards.
Turning in reputation marks was never a big dilithium source for me, so meh. Admittedly I had a few thousand marks to burn the last time this event ran and I took advantage of it. But since the STF changes the motivation to just join a public queue to kill a few minutes just isn't there anymore so the amount of marks never rose again. And despite the number of forum titles starting with 'Suprise' this really is no surprise to me at all.
I'm also expecting sometime down the pipe a crafting event change to deal with the 'hoarding' of crafting boxes so that only boxes earned and opened during the event will give the bonus. There will be no surprise to me if/when that happens either.
Nah, they love it. Why else would they decide to get so wound up and splurg nonsense on a forum instead of I dunno, playing something else? Or just putting it into perspective?
Here we are, getting really angry over a blog for a bonus event lasting all of 4 days. This time next week it'll all be forgotten.
I don't get it. I never will get it. STO is a generic F2P MMO and any change is not surprising. It's not shocking, confusing or insulting. It's a videogame. It's pixels. Nothing.
Far better things in the world to get angry about.
Nah, they love it. Why else would they decide to get so wound up and splurg nonsense on a forum instead of I dunno, playing something else? Or just putting it into perspective?
Here we are, getting really angry over a blog for a bonus event lasting all of 4 days. This time next week it'll all be forgotten.
I don't get it. I never will get it. STO is a generic F2P MMO and any change is not surprising. It's not shocking, confusing or insulting. It's a videogame. It's pixels. Nothing.
Far better things in the world to get angry about.
Agreed. Getting angry that you can't get an imaginary reward from an imaginary process is beyond silly.
What is not imaginary - and what some people are genuinely upset about, and IMO have some right to be - is the time spent, invested, sunk, whatever, into this activity. Consider carefully before you dismiss that aspect.
Were you here during the days of the hundred+ page "server went down again" threads? They just don't happen anymore but oh man, when they did it was the best entertainment you could ask for.
I remember those lol. They would start off all mad then turn into gags, jokes and meme's they were fun! :P
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What is not imaginary - and what some people are genuinely upset about, and IMO have some right to be - is the time spent, invested, sunk, whatever, into this activity. Consider carefully before you dismiss that aspect.
Ah well, that depends on time itself doesn't it?
If you've been playing for fun then the time won't be wasted just because you miss out on some optional extra rocks for your collection. On the other hand if you are happy to spend time grinding away for hours on end then perhaps that time wasn't so valuable to you in the first place.
There are many perspectives I'm sure. These are merely my own.
Agreed. Getting angry that you can't get an imaginary reward from an imaginary process is beyond silly.
I agree it's a little silly to be angry. It's not that they cut the bonus, it's (like it always seems to be) how they've handled it. I've been saving marks, did reps, and went with pitiful daily amounts of dill for most of November up until now just to learn that "by the way all your saving was for nothing, this event is now just another marketing buzzword and will mean next to nothing for your gameplay and especially your investments." We're mislead, bullied, and cheated at every turn, and even their moments of generosity get more and more Ferengi in nature (not to mention take more gorram time then ever) and get marketed as the next best thing since the GPU. Since DR hit it stopped feeling like a game produced by Trekkies, or gamers, or developers, but a game produced by marketers.
I'm not so much mad about the loss of rewards as I am about how much this game wreaks of quick-cash-grab now and because of how punishing it is to play what I want to play versus what they want me to play. Which makes no sense, if I developed a game I'd want ALL of it to be enjoyed by whoever enjoys what part and I'd make it rewarding for them so they'd WANT to invest money in it. I feel like (while my games crashing) there's always someone from Cryptic sitting in the corner of my screen pulling a Quark...
Getting this mad over a lazy source of dil income is silly.
Claiming "greed" because you can't stand still and click two buttons to reap maximum rewards is silly and hypocritical.
Relax, turn on some soothing music, and go shoot dinosaurs for an hour per toon. Problem solved.
thats the problem you accept the status quo like the rest of the sheeple, i got other things to do. what would solve a lot of problems is if you actually looked around and decide for yourself what you want, not because you were weak willed and they took advantage of that.. but in the end each to his own, right? :rolleyes:
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What is not imaginary - and what some people are genuinely upset about, and IMO have some right to be - is the time spent, invested, sunk, whatever, into this activity. Consider carefully before you dismiss that aspect.
the only time lost is the time waiting for the dil weekend when the player could have turned in those marks at any time and have them be worth the same
thats the problem you accept the status quo like the rest of the sheeple, i got other things to do. what would solve a lot of problems is if you actually looked around and decide for yourself what you want, not because you were weak willed and they took advantage of that.. but in the end each to his own, right? :rolleyes:
ummmm, aren't you the one upset over the staus quo changing?
Getting this mad over a lazy source of dil income is silly.
Claiming "greed" because you can't stand still and click two buttons to reap maximum rewards is silly and hypocritical.
Relax, turn on some soothing music, and go shoot dinosaurs for an hour per toon. Problem solved.
Yeah, the game shouldn't be about lazily trying to make the maximum amount of profit over the least amount of work. I mean, instead of getting the Dilithium you worked for that one time and instead getting extra Dilithium during a time that's supposed to be about getting extra Dilithium is almost as lazy as trying to sell people the same ship multiple times at different tiers, or upgraded .5 versions, or versions with tiny variations like vaguely different seatings and console setups. This game shouldn't be about that and shame should be heaped on those who try to do any of that sort of shameful and embarrassing garbage.
Oh wait, that's right... it's fine when Cryptic is being lazy since obviously the developers are allowed to be lazy. Players better get back to work and earn everything. That makes perfect sense... the consumers engaging in their hobby shouldn't be allowed any shortcuts, while the employees working away at their job should take as many as possible and charge us for them.
the only time lost is the time waiting for the dil weekend when the player could have turned in those marks at any time and have them be worth the same
Look up, waaaay up...
That speck in the sky is the point of the post you were failing to respond to flying well over your head.
the only time lost is the time waiting for the dil weekend when the player could have turned in those marks at any time and have them be worth the same
No, the time lost is the time spent clicking those stupid projects 50 marks at a time.
IMO the marks conversion under the current system is so much work it simply isn't worth the effort. I only ever suffered through it because of the weekend bonuses. Specifically, because not converting during the weekend would lose value.
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Insofar as I wasn't hear pre-launch, but I have been here since March 2010. And in that time I can't think of any instance where something this relatively petty has gotten this much outrage.
Still, I guess I should expect it. The whole community is sensitive right now with the DR burn still raw. Irrational lashing out is something I should expect.
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Wow.
First off, calling others "lazy" is not helping your point...especially when those people worked their asses off to gather the marks for this "lazy" turn in.
Second, Cryptic made a promise with they then retroactively took back. That's bad business.
Third, this is not the first, but the most recent in a LONG string of misinformation, "mistakes", bugs and errors which are fixed by trying to erase evidence of the failure, rather than trying to remedy the issue.
People have every right to be #^}%} pissed off.
Indeed. One would think, or hope, that Cryptic would have the sense to not pour more gas on the fires/coals ... especially in a way that somehow manages to be simultaneously audacious ("also, we have always been at war with Eurasia") and petty.
I'm personally not that upset for the loss of the bonus itself (yay, I don't have to work the salt mines this weekend after all :rolleyes: ), but since I nonetheless do have a massive amount of excess marks I'll have to convert at some point, I would like a way to do it that didn't count as a full-time job.
Were you here during the days of the hundred+ page "server went down again" threads? They just don't happen anymore but oh man, when they did it was the best entertainment you could ask for.
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Fixed a minor math error with your post.
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2. See #1
This is not the lazy way of making dil. It was the way to make dil the game encouraged with the event.
If Cryptic now thinks this was a mistake then tell us immediately after the event so we can adjust our in-game behaviour to account for it. Don't wait until the beginning of the next event to say, "Surprise. **** you. You ain't getting the benefit we promised you! Hahahahahah!"
Scummy, scummy behaviour, even by Craptic standards.
I'm also expecting sometime down the pipe a crafting event change to deal with the 'hoarding' of crafting boxes so that only boxes earned and opened during the event will give the bonus. There will be no surprise to me if/when that happens either.
Here we are, getting really angry over a blog for a bonus event lasting all of 4 days. This time next week it'll all be forgotten.
I don't get it. I never will get it. STO is a generic F2P MMO and any change is not surprising. It's not shocking, confusing or insulting. It's a videogame. It's pixels. Nothing.
Far better things in the world to get angry about.
I remember those lol. They would start off all mad then turn into gags, jokes and meme's they were fun! :P
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Ah well, that depends on time itself doesn't it?
If you've been playing for fun then the time won't be wasted just because you miss out on some optional extra rocks for your collection. On the other hand if you are happy to spend time grinding away for hours on end then perhaps that time wasn't so valuable to you in the first place.
There are many perspectives I'm sure. These are merely my own.
I agree it's a little silly to be angry. It's not that they cut the bonus, it's (like it always seems to be) how they've handled it. I've been saving marks, did reps, and went with pitiful daily amounts of dill for most of November up until now just to learn that "by the way all your saving was for nothing, this event is now just another marketing buzzword and will mean next to nothing for your gameplay and especially your investments." We're mislead, bullied, and cheated at every turn, and even their moments of generosity get more and more Ferengi in nature (not to mention take more gorram time then ever) and get marketed as the next best thing since the GPU. Since DR hit it stopped feeling like a game produced by Trekkies, or gamers, or developers, but a game produced by marketers.
I'm not so much mad about the loss of rewards as I am about how much this game wreaks of quick-cash-grab now and because of how punishing it is to play what I want to play versus what they want me to play. Which makes no sense, if I developed a game I'd want ALL of it to be enjoyed by whoever enjoys what part and I'd make it rewarding for them so they'd WANT to invest money in it. I feel like (while my games crashing) there's always someone from Cryptic sitting in the corner of my screen pulling a Quark...
"Money! You owe meee!"
thats the problem you accept the status quo like the rest of the sheeple, i got other things to do. what would solve a lot of problems is if you actually looked around and decide for yourself what you want, not because you were weak willed and they took advantage of that.. but in the end each to his own, right? :rolleyes:
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
the only time lost is the time waiting for the dil weekend when the player could have turned in those marks at any time and have them be worth the same
ummmm, aren't you the one upset over the staus quo changing?
Yeah, the game shouldn't be about lazily trying to make the maximum amount of profit over the least amount of work. I mean, instead of getting the Dilithium you worked for that one time and instead getting extra Dilithium during a time that's supposed to be about getting extra Dilithium is almost as lazy as trying to sell people the same ship multiple times at different tiers, or upgraded .5 versions, or versions with tiny variations like vaguely different seatings and console setups. This game shouldn't be about that and shame should be heaped on those who try to do any of that sort of shameful and embarrassing garbage.
Oh wait, that's right... it's fine when Cryptic is being lazy since obviously the developers are allowed to be lazy. Players better get back to work and earn everything. That makes perfect sense... the consumers engaging in their hobby shouldn't be allowed any shortcuts, while the employees working away at their job should take as many as possible and charge us for them.
Look up, waaaay up...
That speck in the sky is the point of the post you were failing to respond to flying well over your head.
IMO the marks conversion under the current system is so much work it simply isn't worth the effort. I only ever suffered through it because of the weekend bonuses. Specifically, because not converting during the weekend would lose value.
I'd be happy if they made the converting easier.