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Even More Updates to Rewards and PvE Queue Difficulty
pwgroverclvlnd
Member Posts: 11 Cryptic Developer
Another round of PvE queue updates have been made and are making their way to Tribble for extra testing. This particular batch of updates has focused on increasing difficulty for queues that are being completed at a higher rate than expected and decreasing rewards for queues that have been over-rewarding as compared to the reward levels we have established across all PvE queues. We expect that these will be the only queues changed in such ways during this first pass of updates. As mentioned previously, this is an ongoing effort to improve STO and this update (and those that came before) are not the entirety of what will be done.
New to Tribble this week:
Bug Hunt
The rewards for successfully completing the Normal difficulty version of this PvE queue have been increased by an additional 25% above what they have been previously, while the rewards for successfully completing the Advanced difficulty version have been increased by an additional 50% and the rewards for successfully completing the Elite difficulty version have been increased by 75%.
The Cure Applied
The I.K.S. Kang has had its hull, shields and damage bonuses for Advanced difficulty reduced by half. The mark rewards for successfully completing the optional objective in Normal difficulty have been reduced from 25 marks to 15 marks. The optional objective in Normal difficulty has been updated for completing the queue in 15 minutes to completing the queue in 4 minutes or less. The objective in Advanced difficulty requiring that players complete the queue in 15 minutes or less has been updated to requires players to complete the queue in 9 minutes or less.
Crystalline Catastrophe
The base mark rewards for successfully completing Normal difficulty have been decreased from 40 to 30 marks and for successfully completing Advanced difficulty have been decreased from 70 to 60 marks. Additionally, the failure rewards for Advanced difficulty have been increased from 5 to 10 marks. The optional objective in Advanced difficulty has been updated from completing the queue in 10.5 minutes to completing the queue in 5 minutes or less. The optional objective in Normal difficulty and the objective in Advanced difficulty requiring that no more than 50% of players die during the Crystalline Entitys pulse power, now requires that no more than 30% of players die during this same phase. The Crystalline Entitys pulse power no longer has a safe inner distance and this pulse no longer damages or destroys Crystalline Fragments (large or small).
Colony Invasion
The base mark rewards for successfully completing this PvE queue have been decreased from 40 to 30 marks.
Fleet Alert
The mark rewards for completing waves one and two have been decreased from 10 to 5 marks. The mark rewards for completing wave five has been decreased from 18 to 15. The mark rewards for completing waves three and four remain unchanged at 10 marks.
Available on Tribble next week:
Atmosphere Assault
The rewards for successfully completing the Normal difficulty version of this PvE queue have been increased by an additional 250% above what they have been previously while the rewards for successfully completing the Advanced difficulty version have been increased by an additional 400% above what they have been previously. Additionally, the Elachi Walkers have had their hull and shields reduced.
Charles Gray
Lead Content Designer
Star Trek Online
New to Tribble this week:
Bug Hunt
The rewards for successfully completing the Normal difficulty version of this PvE queue have been increased by an additional 25% above what they have been previously, while the rewards for successfully completing the Advanced difficulty version have been increased by an additional 50% and the rewards for successfully completing the Elite difficulty version have been increased by 75%.
The Cure Applied
The I.K.S. Kang has had its hull, shields and damage bonuses for Advanced difficulty reduced by half. The mark rewards for successfully completing the optional objective in Normal difficulty have been reduced from 25 marks to 15 marks. The optional objective in Normal difficulty has been updated for completing the queue in 15 minutes to completing the queue in 4 minutes or less. The objective in Advanced difficulty requiring that players complete the queue in 15 minutes or less has been updated to requires players to complete the queue in 9 minutes or less.
Crystalline Catastrophe
The base mark rewards for successfully completing Normal difficulty have been decreased from 40 to 30 marks and for successfully completing Advanced difficulty have been decreased from 70 to 60 marks. Additionally, the failure rewards for Advanced difficulty have been increased from 5 to 10 marks. The optional objective in Advanced difficulty has been updated from completing the queue in 10.5 minutes to completing the queue in 5 minutes or less. The optional objective in Normal difficulty and the objective in Advanced difficulty requiring that no more than 50% of players die during the Crystalline Entitys pulse power, now requires that no more than 30% of players die during this same phase. The Crystalline Entitys pulse power no longer has a safe inner distance and this pulse no longer damages or destroys Crystalline Fragments (large or small).
Colony Invasion
The base mark rewards for successfully completing this PvE queue have been decreased from 40 to 30 marks.
Fleet Alert
The mark rewards for completing waves one and two have been decreased from 10 to 5 marks. The mark rewards for completing wave five has been decreased from 18 to 15. The mark rewards for completing waves three and four remain unchanged at 10 marks.
Available on Tribble next week:
Atmosphere Assault
The rewards for successfully completing the Normal difficulty version of this PvE queue have been increased by an additional 250% above what they have been previously while the rewards for successfully completing the Advanced difficulty version have been increased by an additional 400% above what they have been previously. Additionally, the Elachi Walkers have had their hull and shields reduced.
Charles Gray
Lead Content Designer
Star Trek Online
Cryptic Studios Team Member
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Just delete what you don't want us playing already.
Oh wait...
Do you guys at least feel any type of remorse?
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What do your metrics show as far as % of players that have left since you have decided to keep nerfing the game until the players only do what you want them to do?
I am just amazed at how much you do not listen to us! Well not really amazed anymore, just disgusted better describes it I guess....
Another patch, another round of nerfs!
Beam me up Scotty, there is no intelligent life down here!
Besides, ten marks being gone is nothing special, and certainly not terrible or bad, I believe
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
one or the other not both pick one as ti is i have no reason to even log in got one toon up to 60 and just have no desire to grind the others
Also, how about no nerfs to rewards, and adjusting other queues rewards up based on existing values in queues.
FYI - Stop nerfing everything in the game and driving off players.
And how that help their metrics?
They just want US to play the DR content, they want US in Argala and Bug Hunt! That is all, no more than that. They took some popular queues and they nerf them so we go to Argala and the other DR missions.
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Newer queues hardly get played precisely because they take so long, yet reward pitifully for that time. What should be more rewarding: playing a full game of The Breach or capping two points in the Dyson ground battlezone? Because right now, it's certainly not the one that takes more effort.
then what would be the motivation to play the other queues ?
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
Nerf until there are no rewards at all! Grinding is the new reward!
No fun, no rewards, no enjoyment...hmmm oh yeah equals grinding!
Nice job Cryptic! You are succeeding in your new goal...
Scotty, now would be a good time!
I will reserve expletives and ad hominems for internal dialogue, or other non PWE media.
Thanks!
Member since December 2009
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Let us upgrade the Seleya Ceremonial Lirpa and Kri'stak Blade
What troubles me more though, is that this thread ain't appearing in the dev tracker.
Smirk, Trendy?! What's up with the dev tracker missing a number of devs? The list seems like only two thirds of what it was a couple weeks back.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
Whatever your expectations were, these queues have been in their current state for a little while now, and their continuance in that state is our expectation as players. If you're going to change thatprincipally through reducing rewards and increasing difficultythe change should come with a better explanation of why that's a good thing for our playing experience.
The base mark rewards for successfully completing this PvE queue have been decreased from 40 to 30 marks.
Fleet Alert
The mark rewards for completing waves one and two have been decreased from 10 to 5 marks. The mark rewards for completing wave five has been decreased from 18 to 15. The mark rewards for completing waves three and four remain unchanged at 10 marks.
OK my biggest concern here is FM'S seem to be increasingly dropped all over the game to me the only certain way to obtain these are from the Duty Officer Assignment at the Fleet Starbase
Why the Decreased amount??
Crystalline Catastrophe
The base mark rewards for successfully completing Normal difficulty have been decreased from 40 to 30 marks and for successfully completing Advanced difficulty have been decreased from 70 to 60 marks. Additionally, the failure rewards for Advanced difficulty have been increased from 5 to 10 marks. The optional objective in Advanced difficulty has been updated from completing the queue in 10.5 minutes to completing the queue in 5 minutes or less. The optional objective in Normal difficulty and the objective in Advanced difficulty requiring that no more than 50% of players die during the Crystalline Entity’s pulse power, now requires that no more than 30% of players die during this same phase. The Crystalline Entity’s pulse power no longer has a safe inner distance and this pulse no longer damages or destroys Crystalline Fragments (large or small).
OK so why the decrease here? In both payout and the "Instafail" timer I understand the need for increased difficulty in the ques but TBH the timers are one of the worst additions to PvE and decreased times will only result in this que being unpuggable like 70% of the ques atm
Marks are not the biggest issue here its the Very Rare and Rare mats that can be obtained from advanced ques are increasing the Difficulty to all PvE ques is hurting the crafting and while adding good things to the RnD system like the que up 3in the same school is now being hurt by the fact ques that require the very mats to enable you to craft anything are ATM unplayable let alone after these changes
Ask anyone on here and read through my posts I am NOT one to bash this game or the choices of the Devs etc but PvE is becoming something a lot of players are shying away from due to many things that make them just not worth the effort of playing
So please listen to what people have to say about the changes and maybe not reverse them but!! Add something to help the players out else where in the game.
Thank you.....
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
You really love cryptic that much that you even defend a reward nerf? Really?
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Here's a suggestion: Stop with the attacks on other players... it gets really old really fast.
Besides, do you hear me praising this decision at all? All I've said so far is that I have an issue with more cynical views of this change (plus made it simply known), and that personally, I don't think the change itself is a big deal - that's all. It doesn't mean I like or hate it; if I did, I would have said so.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
I think the assumption that Cryptic actually considers our feedback might be the point being made.
If they did consider our feedback I would agree with you that don't ignore the players, but IMO, they threw out the consider stage and went straight to ignore!
Scotty, are you there! I really need that beam out NOW!
"Begin calculations for another incursion. We'll have to erase the entire content from STO. Every mission, every skill point." - PWE
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
Dude comments like this is why the devs stay away or ignore decent feedback.
They ignore coments like the one I made, comments with decent feedback, comments with well thought feedback and all the type of comments that is not "well done cryptic". So yea, it does not matter what you said if is not "yes cryptic, we love it".
So dont give me the "dont be rude" beacose we try the super nice way, we try the nice way and we try all the other ways and they still keep nerfing reward and adding grind and grind and grind.
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Are we just not supposed to run queues anymore? As this was the main activity for fleet gatherings with the group I'm in.
Maybe if the XP for queues get a massive bump, as that's what folks want these days, reducing the other rewards may make sense, but that hasn't happened yet. Is such a thing on the cards?
Could someone please explain why this was done? as the post just list what was done, not why.
So yes, actually, rudeness and hatred are what keep them away; things have to be civil. No such wording as cryptic haters or white knights, no assumptions/comments/accusations about such, or any similar things - just regular wording you use between people. No matter how much you wish to say otherwise, for legit reasons or not.
That's what gets the most chance to be seen. No guarantee it will be implemented, but that's how it works
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
In my opinion they don't really care, as long as they draw a check. I recently read a comment suppose to be one of the developers, 'tacofangs' I believe was his 'handle'. Someone I think ask him if he read any of the forums, in so many words he said no, because all everyone does was complain without saying what needed to be worked on. I'm sure he does get a lot of that and would take a lot of time to find something worth reading. I believe I even read something like he didn't need to read the forums to know what needed to be fixed.
Over two thirds of the players can't successfully play the advanced now, now they are on most reducing the rewards so I'm sure that will make a lot of players happy. I am a lifetime member and up until DR I used to spend real money on the game, not a penny since. For the most part the thing I don't like is between a couple of mission levels you need to do extra mind numbing patrols to make it to the next level. I have all my captains at level 60 but am a long way from maxing out the Specialization marks. I'm not about to because of needing to do all of those mind numbing patrols. Doubt I'll level my much of the weapons and gear either, just because of the uncertainty involved. If in the real world I want something updated, I know what it will cost and what I will receive back in return. Not here, this is what you might get, no thanks its not worth the time and effort to maybe get something good.