If people hate this game so much, why are they even here? If you're here for hate alone, then welcome to being an animal, not a human being.
I can't speak for those who acted inappropriately. I'm hear because of my love for the IP and to a lessor part the game itself. I was here for the community at one time, but most of my peeps have left in the past 6 weeks.
As for Trendy, frankly I believe they should be treated ingame with respect. If you insult them in game, get a 24 hour ban. Do it 2x a game ban. I can guarantee you the community would self-police itself very quickly.
Sheesh, hating over pixels. And not just this game either. And not just games in general either. All of life that they turn into anything but enjoying life, whatsoever. More feels giving into social peer pressure, just to be a hater, because it's 'cool' to pile on like that. What a tripe filled wallow of a hollow soul. (I can curse instead, if ye all really want instead.)
Personally, really friggen personally, despite all the quirks and 'political' motives this game is under, I enjoy the fact that they made an MMO in a theme I can really identify with. Sure, the server tends to crash too much like Obamacare, lag at 2 seconds gets annoying, the lack of story flow verses more grinding than sandpaper to the face, and a customer service that is run by Borg (broken ones it seems,) I'm still around after a more of less enjoyed run of five years at this, on and off overall, that I keep willingly coming back to, willingly pay for gold membership willingly of willingly, for the fact to enjoy a game, set in a universe I can identify with. And when the grind gets annoying, there's episode replay, and all manner of things to do, that doesn't have to do with getting uber gear, that I already have stockpiles of, that grace my dozens of starships, and numerous Boffs I lovingly care for. (My wittle Boff and Doff pets. -purr-)
I'll be honest, STO can do thing better.
I'll also be honest, I enjoy this game, for what it is. Till the day the server shuts down, and all I ever did here, goes into MMO history. (Hopefully better than what SWG got, honest to say there.)
To encapsulate: Thank you darn friggen much Devs, for a game to partake, identify, and enjoy, for those that truly choose to do so. (And political kissing my TRIBBLE here. I mean[/i] this.)
Threatening them with you wallet doesn't seem to work. But public bad-word-of-mouth will. Take your frustrations to Facebook, Massively, and Twitter.
Considering some of the stupid directions this game has done since DR hit? The repeated nerfs? The increased Dil sinks? Nerfing Non-Delta stuff in favor of Delta Quadrant content?
"You reap what you sow."
Sorry. I checked my eyes and sure enough, no tears were shed.
Considering some of the stupid directions this game has done since DR hit? The repeated nerfs? The increased Dil sinks? Nerfing Non-Delta stuff in favor of Delta Quadrant content?
"You reap what you sow."
Sorry. I checked my eyes and sure enough, no tears were shed.
Nice. So does this mean open season on everyone?
DRIVE THE DEVS FROM THE FORUMS! MAKE OUR RAGE KNOWN!
Bravo. You gone full Romulan Star Empire batpoo cray cray.
Let the bloodbath start. Lets see what change hate, vile, bitterness, and poisoned words can bring. LETS SHOW THESE DEVS WHAT STAR TREK TRULY MEANS!
please, just...get ahold of yourself. taking things to extremes just to accuse other people of taking things to extremes is just as stupid and pointless as the conduct you're supposedly condemning.
People treated Trendy badly on ESD. Well...that's kind of ESD, imho, and it's also symptomatic of just how well communication has goine between staff, and players in the last two years or so.
No worries. It was poorly thought out hyperbole. Like far too many people on the forums LOVE to use.
Be like the Deferi. Doormats! Joking. But balance is grand goal to seek. As the wise and mighty Q once said "make me one with everything." and now I feel hungry again.
Not particularly. I don't really count the occasional post for debunking rumors to be particularly engaging, personally.
I mean, we can't even post in maintenance threads anymore.
So not counting those. What do you want the devs? Hunt down every idea thread that is made and speak about it? Besides that I do see my fair share of gold names out and about. Tell me what do you want to see from devs and I'm going to try to see if I can find it. Gives me a reason to flex my search muscles.
Sure, because well presented, calmly made posts about fixing the game have worked, right? :rolleyes:
Oh wait... No, none of them have.
The recent announcement of "Simple Ship Transitions" resulted in a forum thread in which a lot of people pointed out (reasonably politely, on the whole) that they didn't really want this feature, and would like an opt-out button for it.
Within forty-eight hours, a follow-up announcement was made that there would, indeed, be an opt-out button for it.
Reasoned criticism can have a positive effect. Shouting and being rude only has a negative effect, if it has any effect at all.
and we are the ones paying them and getting srewed over. thats the whole point of the agression. agression is a natural, unbiased reaction to surroundings and its generally healthy. whats not health is the cause behind it, and thats clearly TRIBBLE people over for the money they payed for a game.
sry to say that, but on the one hand i really dont like these actions, but: we all tried to be constructive 3 years now, and they just ignored it. now its time for agression for some it seems, and soon its time for leaving for many.
id say. yep these actions may be wrong placed, but they are totally understandable considering how the game overall develops away from the PAYING customers.
yes the game is f2p, but its not "without any costs" and they DO MAKE MONEY with it, and i think thats worth delivering quality, and thats basically just not happening.
the devs nerf and "change" content and evironment AGAINST players habits to "milk" more money.
thats why they become target of agression.
you cant be out, slapping ppls faces, and then wine about getting PROPER reaction to your actions.
basically the devs are slapping our faces with xp nerfs, deleting gained speccpoints, delivering more than low quality of programming, and then get into proper reactions of the community thats actually PAYING THEIR INCOME.
sry to say that, but these reactions are WELL very WELL deserved.
And what reaction do you anticipate for YOUR actions? Using overblown hyperbole as an excuse to be obnoxious? What do you think people will ACTUALLY do based on your actions? I can guess. It starts with "I", and rhymes with "snore".
Tacos got a similar reception here on the forums not that long ago and had a similar out crying of support by the more level headed players. So no, it has nothing to do with Trendy being female. It has to do with a player base that has become so toxic, so eager to throw fits and hurl abuse at Cryptic that an appearance by any Dev or CM anywhere puts an immediate bull's-eye on their backs. Mix that in with the usual gang of trolls and griefers that prowl through ESD (and Drozana...and DS9...) and it doesn't surprise me at all how she was treated. And the kick in the TRIBBLE$ is people wonder why they don't want to talk to us.
Frankly I don't care if its Smirk, Trendy, Tacos, Geko or whoever. I don't care what someone said in an podcast or posted on another forum. I don't care if in person they are the sweetest thing since peach pie or a smarmy son of a targ. The fact of the matter is they are the ones in charge. They are the ones providing the game we play. They are the ones who have to be here while any one of us could walk away at any time. Treating them like $#!+, however deserved one feels it is, ISN'T going to make life easier and ISN'T going to give them much incentive to work on or improve the game, or listen to the players when legitimate concerns are raised.
I really don't understand why this seems to be such a hard concept for some people to grasp.
Yeah, people rant and rave about "poor communication" on Cryptic's part.... And hurl insults or accuse the devs of lying whenever they DO show up. Yeah... great way to foster communication.....
The recent announcement of "Simple Ship Transitions" resulted in a forum thread in which a lot of people pointed out (reasonably politely, on the whole) that they didn't really want this feature, and would like an opt-out button for it.
Within forty-eight hours, a follow-up announcement was made that there would, indeed, be an opt-out button for it.
Reasoned criticism can have a positive effect. Shouting and being rude only has a negative effect, if it has any effect at all.
That is simply ONE example. There have been many, some quite subtle, but still useful changes. You probably didn't notice because there's no forum rage over the good changes.
Despite what some people claim, Tribble testing feedback DOES get read, and the devs DO make changes based off of it. Did they make the specific changes you want? apparently not, but that doesn't mean they ignored ALL feedback. This didn't show up on the live server. why not? because it was reported during tribble testing and fixed.
The Dev in question probably shouldn't have received the abuse she got, however there are other Devs that (seemingly) treat us like idiots, and for them, I think anything should go. If we're treated a specific way, we treat them with the same respect (or lack thereof).
The recent announcement of "Simple Ship Transitions" resulted in a forum thread in which a lot of people pointed out (reasonably politely, on the whole) that they didn't really want this feature, and would like an opt-out button for it.
Within forty-eight hours, a follow-up announcement was made that there would, indeed, be an opt-out button for it.
Reasoned criticism can have a positive effect. Shouting and being rude only has a negative effect, if it has any effect at all.
Agreed.
I know it sucks, but sometimes they don't want to do what we ask. Being rude doesn't help.
In the end, I think it will be done. Look the R&D changes coming, it took them almost a year to do something the players have been asking all the way since tribble (IE slotting up to 3 of the same XP project).
Sometimes it's just really slow.
The Dev in question probably shouldn't have received the abuse she got, however there are other Devs that (seemingly) treat us like idiots, and for them, I think anything should go. If we're treated a specific way, we treat them with the same respect (or lack thereof).
As Aleksandr Orlov would say; simples.
No dev deserves to be mobbed and have insults thrown at them, regardless of whether you like them or not. There is absolutely no excuse that can come from players who do that, and they should be punished severely. Trendy didn't deserve any insult that was thrown at her, nor does Geko or any other dev... Some people claim that the devs don't interact with the playerbase, and why would they want to interact with a playerbase that would throw insults and be extremely rude/mean to them?
No dev deserves to be mobbed and have insults thrown at them, regardless of whether you like them or not.
I don't know any of the Devs personally, and thus I have no like nor dislike to them. I do know about respect though, and it seems few of them have any of that for us.
I am a firm believer in treating others how they treat you (to an extent anyway). If someone looks down on me, or treats me with little regard, why am I to treat them with respect? I'm not. People create their own reactions from other people based upon how those people treat others.
Some people claim that the devs don't interact with the playerbase, and why would they want to interact with a playerbase that would throw insults and be extremely rude/mean to them?
I think if they interacted more, there wouldn't be as big a problem. We (the players) are ignored, so why should we respect the people that are ignoring us? Trendy (and a few others) are an exception, because they try to get involved, but if you think back... several years now (or what seems like) we had (what felt like) a blog a week, now we're lucky to get anything.
Maybe verbal abuse isn't the answer, but I can surely see why it happens.
you kinda have to pick your questions depending on the dev in game , got a ship looks question talk to someone like JAMZ JAMZ , Got a Bench question , ask TACOfangs . you have a question about a blog or how to go about getting a issue solved or a event. Ask Smirk or Trendy . you get the idea im trying to make . if you approach them with questions or comments on there area of work they are more than happy to converse and answer to the best of there ability . at least thats been my experience.
f you approach them with questions or comments on there area of work they are more than happy to converse and answer to the best of there ability . at least thats been my experience.
You've been lucky then. I don't think any Dev has ever replied to any specific post/query of mine (discounting the Ask Cryptic's they used to run).
You've been lucky then. I don't think any Dev has ever replied to any specific post/query of mine (discounting the Ask Cryptic's they used to run).
the one thing you have to remember is that being a dev they may get alot of chatter from the player base either via PM or either in zone chat , they may not even see your inquiry if there is alot of chatter , dont take it personally . if they miss the inquiry dont get impatient and just go at it casually ask your inquiry again as if your asking it the first time. dont spam them , just talk to them . sometimes its hard to hear in a crowded room same thing in a game chat .though i will admit there more tight lipped about things to come then they once were . but they still converse and try to answer questions .
the one thing you have to remember is that being a dev they may get alot of chatter from the player base either via PM or either in zone chat , they may not even see your inquiry if there is alot of chatter , dont take it personally . if they miss the inquiry dont get impatient and just go at it casually ask your inquiry again as if your asking it the first time. dont spam them , just talk to them . sometimes its hard to hear in a crowded room same thing in a game chat .though i will admit there more tight lipped about things to come then they once were . but they still converse and try to answer questions.
It's not what's coming that bothers me, it's their lack of care and attention to what we already have.
I know it sucks, but sometimes they don't want to do what we ask. Being rude doesn't help.
In the end, I think it will be done. Look the R&D changes coming, it took them almost a year to do something the players have been asking all the way since tribble (IE slotting up to 3 of the same XP project).
Sometimes it's just really slow.
I think it's only been 6ish months. I seem to remember the R&D system getting added during the Risa event.
the one thing you have to remember is that being a dev they may get alot of chatter from the player base either via PM or either in zone chat , they may not even see your inquiry if there is alot of chatter , dont take it personally . if they miss the inquiry dont get impatient and just go at it casually ask your inquiry again as if your asking it the first time. dont spam them , just talk to them . sometimes its hard to hear in a crowded room same thing in a game chat .though i will admit there more tight lipped about things to come then they once were . but they still converse and try to answer questions .
I personally blame users like PeregrineFalcon for that. Anything and everything the devs said would get treated as if it was an iron-clad promise.... even when the devs were clear in that it's only a tentative plan and could change at any time. Step two was to rage about how they didn't get what they wanted when the devs "promised" to do it.
So now the devs give us very little information that isn't the final version of a system.
Hey guys. I do care about the community, as your go-to person for blogs and images and webcontent and whatnot. I'm very happy about people trying to promote good positive behavior. That being said, I'm going to close this thread down before it turns into more of a flame fest.
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I can't speak for those who acted inappropriately. I'm hear because of my love for the IP and to a lessor part the game itself. I was here for the community at one time, but most of my peeps have left in the past 6 weeks.
As for Trendy, frankly I believe they should be treated ingame with respect. If you insult them in game, get a 24 hour ban. Do it 2x a game ban. I can guarantee you the community would self-police itself very quickly.
Again - not trying to make excuses, but it's clear the people who make decisions don't care.
Threatening them with you wallet doesn't seem to work. But public bad-word-of-mouth will. Take your frustrations to Facebook, Massively, and Twitter.
"You reap what you sow."
Sorry. I checked my eyes and sure enough, no tears were shed.
Nice. So does this mean open season on everyone?
DRIVE THE DEVS FROM THE FORUMS! MAKE OUR RAGE KNOWN!
Bravo. You gone full Romulan Star Empire batpoo cray cray.
Let the bloodbath start. Lets see what change hate, vile, bitterness, and poisoned words can bring. LETS SHOW THESE DEVS WHAT STAR TREK TRULY MEANS!
Sure, because well presented, calmly made posts about fixing the game have worked, right? :rolleyes:
Oh wait... No, none of them have.
No worries. It was poorly thought out hyperbole. Like far too many people on the forums LOVE to use.
Be like the Deferi. Doormats! Joking. But balance is grand goal to seek. As the wise and mighty Q once said "make me one with everything." and now I feel hungry again.
Care to make a wager to that effect?
So not counting those. What do you want the devs? Hunt down every idea thread that is made and speak about it? Besides that I do see my fair share of gold names out and about. Tell me what do you want to see from devs and I'm going to try to see if I can find it. Gives me a reason to flex my search muscles.
The recent announcement of "Simple Ship Transitions" resulted in a forum thread in which a lot of people pointed out (reasonably politely, on the whole) that they didn't really want this feature, and would like an opt-out button for it.
Within forty-eight hours, a follow-up announcement was made that there would, indeed, be an opt-out button for it.
Reasoned criticism can have a positive effect. Shouting and being rude only has a negative effect, if it has any effect at all.
Despite what some people claim, Tribble testing feedback DOES get read, and the devs DO make changes based off of it. Did they make the specific changes you want? apparently not, but that doesn't mean they ignored ALL feedback. This didn't show up on the live server. why not? because it was reported during tribble testing and fixed.
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As Aleksandr Orlov would say; simples.
I know it sucks, but sometimes they don't want to do what we ask. Being rude doesn't help.
In the end, I think it will be done. Look the R&D changes coming, it took them almost a year to do something the players have been asking all the way since tribble (IE slotting up to 3 of the same XP project).
Sometimes it's just really slow.
I am a firm believer in treating others how they treat you (to an extent anyway). If someone looks down on me, or treats me with little regard, why am I to treat them with respect? I'm not. People create their own reactions from other people based upon how those people treat others.
I think if they interacted more, there wouldn't be as big a problem. We (the players) are ignored, so why should we respect the people that are ignoring us? Trendy (and a few others) are an exception, because they try to get involved, but if you think back... several years now (or what seems like) we had (what felt like) a blog a week, now we're lucky to get anything.
Maybe verbal abuse isn't the answer, but I can surely see why it happens.
So now the devs give us very little information that isn't the final version of a system.
My character Tsin'xing
~LaughingTrendy