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raventomoe
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I know the Iconians have a whole lot of pride and hubris (seriously...I think the Q have less of an ego problem and better PR) but the "Sphere of Influence" mission and all the evidence points to them NOT being morons. They can look at their own history and know that even 200,000 years ago; the advanced technology they had did not help them in the end when the races back than gave them an eviction notice?
So far, they've seemed content to just watch things from afar and occasionally show up.
But why the big pushes now to conquer the galaxy?
I'm pondering theses questions...
Is it possible that they and the Spherebuilders are ancient enemies fighting a very old war?
Maybe the Spherebuilders did the same thing to them they are doing to Milky Way?
So far, they've seemed content to just watch things from afar and occasionally show up.
But why the big pushes now to conquer the galaxy?
I'm pondering theses questions...
Is it possible that they and the Spherebuilders are ancient enemies fighting a very old war?
Maybe the Spherebuilders did the same thing to them they are doing to Milky Way?
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A fear of mine is that they'll end up being another typical NPC critter type for us to contend with in the future. I hope Cryptic doesn't do this, and I hope they have something very creative and unique set for the Iconian plot.
The Iconians have done a great job at being a catalyst for bringing people together. At least in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants.Their plans of conquering the galaxy by instigating conflict saw very limited success, and has resulted in the "Grand Alliance."
I'm not entirely clear on the connection between the Spherebuilders and the Iconians that you're drawing. Aren't we 100+ years away from the Spherebuilders being a thing that needs to be dealt with?
Considering these facts into the evidence.
1. The Spherebuilders have screwed with the timeline before and can look at alternate timelines for universes.
2. They've attempted before to set up for their invasion, knowing it will fail, with a plan similar to the Iconians own of divide and conquer by trying to destroy the Federation before it was born. It failed miserably as well.
3. Iconian Gateways can cross between Universes/Dimensions.
4. 29th/31st Century Federation was made away of the Spherebuilder's attempts to mess with the time line.
Conclusions that could be drawn from said evidence.
1. Starting with item number 3 on the Evidence List...Iconian Gateways could also be used from Time Travel.
2. The Iconians might have been a faction in the Temporal Cold War (aka...The Enterprise SNAFUBAR) [See Conlusion 1 and Evidence 4]
3. The Iconians and Spherebuilders may of known of each other's existence. [See Evidence 1, Conclusion 2.
4. The Spherebuilders may have incited the original rebellions that destroyed the original Iconian Empire and sent them running to Andromeda to lick their wounds and plan for revenge.
My take is that they were asleep/dormant until Picard ended up waking them up in "Contagion".
And they have been planning since that moment.
My feeling overall is that they probably abandoned their gateways until that point at least.
Despite Memory Alpha's take that the Old Ones referenced in two episodes are different, both references were by the same writer and I think are probably going to turn out to be the Iconians.
In "What Are Little Girls Made Of?", we have The Old Ones who were deposed by their android servants thousands of years ago. Those androids could have been part of the coalition that bombarded Iconia.
In "Catspaw", we have The Old Ones who abandoned the galaxy sending scouts from a servant race (the Ornithoids) back to investigate.
The writer of those episodes was a friend of H.P. Lovecraft and The Old Ones were a Lovecraft nod. Cryptic was working a lot with Lovecraft when they developed STO (they had just canceled plans for a Lovecraft MMO). The Iconians physically resemble the Ornithoids to some extent who resemble the Solonae to some vague extent as well.
So I think they sent a long range scout from outside the galaxy in TOS but that Picard and Taris may have accidentally turned the gateways back online.
They never actually stated where the Iconians fled to in the past, with the powers of the Gateways they may have ran not to a where but a when. They could have fled their home world to the present.
Yes because we need Cuthlu to show up in STO.
aka the place the Kelvans were running away from.
One of the consoles in the mission with worf, if I'm not mistaken.
Remember...we have Q?
Cuthlu would break Q
*facepalm*
It's spelled "Cthulhu".
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You've obviously only read/heard the fan depictions of him and not Lovecraft's one and only story, wherein he fails to kill fleeing sailors and has his head caved in by a yacht. Granted, as he sunk below the ocean (dead again) his head did start reforming. Still, if he can be beaten by a crazed man with a sailing vessel, its safe to say he's no match for q.
It can also be Cuthlu because 'Merica
Cthulhu has also been spelled as Tulu, Clulu, Clooloo, Cthulu, Cthullu, C'thulhu, Cighulu, Cathulu, C'thlu, Kathulu, Kutulu, Kthulhu, Q’thulu, K'tulu, Kthulhut, Kutu, Kulhu, Kutunluu, Ktulu, Cuitili
sorry, couldn't resist :P
TRIBBLE Galactus, if we're gonna have a planet eater in STO its Unicron, 'cause the dyson spheres are more than meets the eye.:D
Maybe they lost their technology when they withdrew through the gateways?
They could of had bigger problems in the Andromeda Galaxy?
Assuming they don't have long lifespans, maybe they just don't know who attacked them 200k years ago.
Yeah, I somehow doubt that's gonna happen. Crypitc's universal answer for pretty much every storyline in the game has become "it's the iconians". I mean really, with DR even the long forgotten stuff like the bugs from early TNG is now the iconians' fault.
craptic :P
As for multiple timelines, you can blame Hugh Everett III, who came up with the Many-Worlds Interpretation of quantum-mechanical wave-function collapse, first described in his doctoral dissertation in 1957.
Robert Heinlein combined the concepts brilliantly in his 1980 novel, "The Number of the Beast--". (The published title omitted the quotation marks and ending hyphen, but Heinlein wanted them in there, so I honor his wish here.) Unfortunately, subsequent volumes of the World as Myth concept tended to fall apart, as Heinlein had reached that stature as an author where editors were reluctant to make him revise, and honestly his age was starting to show.
Oh, and Star Trek's Mirror Universe began with Jerome Bixby (best known for the Twilight Zone episode "It's a Good Life"), who wrote the Original Series episode "Mirror, Mirror".
Pretty much this.
We'll face servitor races till the game ends for good. I can imagine that about 1 month before the servers shut down we'll have one final mission were we blow up the iconians' ship/wolrd/system/galaxy and end everything.
So better gear up for the next twenty-something servitor races that will be introduced over the next years.
And in other novels ("The Door into Summer", "Farnham's Freehold", "Time Enough for Love", and "Job: A Comedy of Justice" come to mind) and short stories ("... All You Zombies ...", "By His Bootstraps", to name two).
Btw, two years after "Number of the Beast", Heinlein wrote "Friday", which is still one of my favorite Heinlein novels. And I also liked "Job: A Comedy of Justice" which came out two years after "Friday". Then his last two, which were ... okay ("The Cat Who Walks Through Walls" and "To Sail Beyond the Sunset"), but nowhere near his best.
He was more prepared for the concept in "The Number of the Beast--", but like I said (and you seemed to concur), the other World as Myth stories became a bit more self-indulgent. (The Cat Who Walks Through Walls was improved, however, by the number of characters who either openly disliked Lazarus for his, ah, less admirable character traits, or who made it plain that they were often merely indulging him out of affection.)
The posthumous novel Variable Star hearkens back to old-school Heinlein, partly due to the fact that it was posthumously co-written (that is to say, co-written after Heinlein's own death) by one of the Master's biggest fans, Spider Robinson, at the request of Virginia Heinlein.
Job: A Comedy of Justice was more along the lines of the "multiple timeline" thing sans time travel; Alex and Margrethe are just being jerked around by the Powers That Be. (And then it goes into a satire on the notions of Heaven promulgated by certain branches of evangelical Christianity...)
That or the iconians were conquered in subspace by some other inhabiting power and their technology is now being repurposed in order to satisfy a new agenda (there's one terminal on Sphere's of influence that reference loosing control of gateways before you do anything to the network that MIGHT hint at this).
I can't see the reason in rebranding oneself as Iconian "in order to strike fear" when the fact that you can systematically co-opt Iconian technology would make you a good deal more imposing than the old demons, but there's other situations one can forsee for a twist on who we've really been fighting for all this time (besides more subspace species, there's also Andromeda to consider. I'd have to replay Sphere's of Influence to verify but I think the iconian gateway network is stated in a terminal to extend that far.)
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