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generalzod34
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Noticed player base seems to be shrinking, I believe the upgrade system is to blame.
Upgrading is horrendously expensive.....
Everyone else agree?
Upgrading is horrendously expensive.....
Everyone else agree?
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PS: Hello Director Fury
Grand Master Thotok, son of Koloth, I.K.S. Sompek==Dahar Master Shanara, I.K.S. Balth'Quv
Admiral R'Tath V'Tirex, R.R.W. Dhael Glohha'enh==Commander Ta'eth Korval, R.R.W Hachae ch'Rhian==Admiral Vranuk, R.R.W Delevhas
Grand Master Thotok, son of Koloth, I.K.S. Sompek==Dahar Master Shanara, I.K.S. Balth'Quv
Admiral R'Tath V'Tirex, R.R.W. Dhael Glohha'enh==Commander Ta'eth Korval, R.R.W Hachae ch'Rhian==Admiral Vranuk, R.R.W Delevhas
There's also this self-proclaimed rich guy / lock box exploiter in game who epics out totally useless gear and then shows that off to people in the channels - just to prove how rich and wasteful he is - flaunting his wealth around to gain more worshippers that are after his discounted sugar daddy lock box ships.
Just wish it could be changed.......
Rick Shaw
Blackwing Task Force.
Its wonderful?? LOL
Its wonderful to spend thousands of dilithium on items you have already spent thousands of dilithium on? lol
Agreed 100%
It is wonderful that we get to upgrade our old equipment instead of having to throw it out like what happens with other MMOs and their level cap increases. In WoW with their level cap increases, the raid equipment that people spent months to get was rendered useless. So what would you rather have, spend thousands of dilithium on upgrading reputation equipment, fleet equipment, etc to Mk XIV or having to toss out your reputation equipment, fleet equipment, etc and acquire new Mk XIV equipment?
Building on this, the final item you get, even assuming you get reasonably lucky with the upgrades, will cost you a lot more than what the item is mathematically worth in the first place. All the working was done while it was on tribble and the devs totally ignored it.
It also locks you into a build, which is frankly awful in a game where customizing and trying new things was actually pretty simple and fun to do. Not any more.
In game billionaire, and as you and some others seem to have missed that reply was more sarcasm than anything else. The upgrade system is absurdly expensive even for someone with the resources I have.
The saddest part is that the majority of the people who will throw ludicrous amounts of money and time and this game to get Epic-quality gear are generally not very good at the game. Skill makes you good, not a gun that you spent hundreds of thousands of dilithium and several million EC to get.
I used the upgrade system for maybe 2 weeks, tops. Not touching it again until they fix it. My main still flies a ship that has predominantly very rare Mk XII gear equipped on it.
Thank you I could not have said this any better. I tried the upgrade system once it still hurts to sit down. I will say this that new upgrade system made me upgrade in real life I upgraded from being a gold member for four years to f2p best upgrade I ever did
Today I dont try any stf's dont have the gear nore do I want to be a burden on a team and now cryptic its not a bug Im really not in the que's. I still find things in game that are fun for me but they are getting old pretty soon I may just have to retire like alot of my fleetmates have already done.
You are dead on target. Most posters do not understand what has really killed this game. Everything else was survivable except the upgrade system.
I'd have liked a combination of both.
Some complain about the lack of xp for 50->60, the lack of xp from endgame content, the upgrind (pun, see ?), the state of the queued content, the lack of T6 for rom/kdf, the lack of interest from cryptic (borderline trolling sometimes), the randomness of upgrading and R&D, the lack of story and how patrol was used as "filler" for DR...
And for some of them, a mix of those issues.
I don't think the reason's why people are unhappy/leaving can be attributed to a single problem.
Namely, somebody thought that the players would happily jump into a queue that is more difficult than the old elite, has a high chance of hard failure, is easy to grief, and gives far less rewards than it used to.
The upgrade system was the first warning of what was to come though. I noticed their obsession with making players pay through the nose with dilithium. I should have known they'd then slash the rewards at the end of STFs. Their reasoning for getting rid of item rewards at the end of these things? That they were supposedly made obsolete by the upgrade and crafting system. I doubt they outright said it for the STFs, but they said as much for the romulan survivor packs, getting rid of the alien artifacts and mk xii purple console drops from said pack. It wasn't obsolete so much as it was a way to get at mk xii purples that didn't involve the crafting roulette. And then came the halved rewards...
I don't see how any of this was a sensible move. Cryptic, why do you think the best way to do business is to repeatedly shoot yourself in the foot? Sure, people are playing the game, but they're not playing for long. I'm one of them. I could spend hours going from one STF to the next. Now? they're either bugged, have overlooked problems (absurdly hard to kill borg birds of prey on cure space, I'm looking at you!), or have one of any number of other problems that make them not worth most peoples' time.
I'm aware that I'm veering off topic, so I'll veer back on. How does this all tie into the mess that was the upgrade system? Two ways, actually. The first is that this botching of the STFs and their rewards kicked the dilithium supply in the nads, making it that much more proportionately expensive to upgrade items. And two, it demonstrates that they'd rather ship something half-finished and buggy than listening to the people they have testing it on tribble. Many of these things could be avoided if the devs and executives would just listen. You invited them to the tribble servers to test the game, so you'd bloody well better listen to them. What's the point of having tribble if you're not even going to pay attention to what the players on there have to say, then why do you even have it?
The upgrade system shouldn't be such a disgustingly blatant cash grab and roulette, and neither should the crafting system. Both employ hidden cost mechanics that make it largely inaccessible to a lot of players, and makes many people, myself included, feel almost as if the devs or executives are at war with the players. Such crass commercialization is unhealthy for the game, and many things need to be done to alleviate the problem.
We should start by removing the upgrade system and only putting it back in there when the devs (and tribble test players) are absolutely certain that it is functioning completely. I'd rather have to wait a bit longer for a polished and finished product than some half-finished slap-together sloppy mess of a system that feels like it wants to poke our eyes out rather than motivate us to get this new grade of gear.