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An original TOS Constitution Class in STID?
coffeemike
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I was searching on YouTube for random deleted scenes from Star Trek Into Darkness and just dropped jaw when I saw this: An original Constitution Class design in Admiral Marcus' office.
First off: WTF?
Second: Good Thing this was deleted from the film.
First off: WTF?
Second: Good Thing this was deleted from the film.
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The only explanation I can think of is that the original Constitution-class was already under development when the timeline diverged in 2233, and after the Kelvin attack the class was redesigned to be bigger and tougher. The original 1701 was launched in 2245, so it's not too big a stretch...
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
U.S.S. x x x x x F O R D ??? It could'nt be "E D S E L F O R D" as a show of disrespect, could it?
Any takers?
BCW.
^This.
Alt-Trek did a lousy job explaining why there was a difference between the original TOS ship and the current one, which has twice the crew. They could have saved a lot of fan grief by keeping the explanation in the show. The cutting room floor explanation is that the scans of the Narada that the Kelvin survivors brought back opened up significant retro-engineering possibilities, resulting in the current ship. Likewise on the cutting room floor is the story of how the Klingons also captured and studied the wounded Narada for a time, resulting in their tech changes also, and thereby re-establishing a balance of power. What I've never heard is if the alt-Romulans were contacted by Nero, and sent the tech info. It is reasonable to assume.
USS Biddeford according to here.
Ok, thats a relief. Thanks.
BCW.
What if the Tholians from 'In a Mirror Darkly' had detailed scans and schematics of the Connie they captured; and the more militarized Federation of the JJ Verse came across those scans at some point in it's history? The Constitution design could be a design that they use elsewhere in the universe.
Either that, or it was just a terrible decision to put it there.
As far as i know the reason why jj-trek ships/technology is so different, is that when the Narada arrived in the alternate reality ( ok its presence created said reality ) the kelvin scanned the Narada, these scans were sent to starfleet and, thus we get super technology that is abundant in a time where walls don't meet the floor.
Also a note should be added that the klingon empire had the Narada an her crew for 25 years, it also is logical that they studied the ship as well.
Most of this info is taken from the countdown comic as well as from the principle writer's.
Myself personally, i like that jj put his trek in an alternate universe ( not to much harm to the prime universe ), i do feel sorry for star wars fans tho, whatever happens in episode 7 will change the star wars universe forever.
And Ep VII is co-written by Lawrence Kasdan, who also co-wrote The Empire Strkes Back, widely regarded as the best SW movie to date. So the odds are actually pretty good.
that wouldnt of made any sense, why resdesign something like that? wouldnt that just add even more time to the schematics and the design phases, it would be better explained that the original tos connie was a shelved early idea and they instead chose a more ugly looking design with more primitive weaponry.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Why wouldn't it make any sense? The Constitution-class was refitted in the 2270s (the TOS movie era) in the prime universe. Montgomery Scott pointed out in TMP that they spent around 18 months redesigning and refitting the Enterprise. And that is only with current 23rd-century tech.
As someone pointed out, the comic book canon for the JJ-verse establishes that the Enterprise existed in some form prior to 2258 (the events of Star Trek (2009)). This ship was commanded by Robert April... it's not crazy to think that the scans from the Kelvin of the Narada took longer to analyze... but, once analyzed, Starfleet decided to push up the refit schedule.
prime universe connie
designed and constructed: 2230's-2240's
launched: 2240's
refit start: 2270
refit end: 2270's - less then 10 years..
design line retired: 2280's
crapverse connie
designed: 2230's
constructed: 2250's - 20 years construction time?
launched:2250's
no refit - so your link of proof doesnt exist yet.
and you are using prime universe understanding and mechanics, not crapverse understanding and mechanics which is a big difference considering that magic blood and space suits that mysteriously hold up when so badly damaged, especially passing through a debris field, or how a vulcan can stand in an active volcano and not get effected by the heat..
there is no proof to conclude the original design was never on the table and was in fact already passed over for the ugly design and it took longer to construct, no clue. i would like you to try find some proof that would conclusively prove that the ship ever had any redesigning in the first place.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
The "proof" (your words, not mine) is based on Star Trek: Countdown To Darkness, which is as canon as can be (as the events of that story were referenced in STID, and the producers of the comic were using it as a direct tie-in). Not my fault if you haven't read it.
And my post was speculation based on available in-universe (JJverse, that is) information, then extrapolated based on the workings of Starfleet in the prime universe. The mechanics of the organization could easily be the same, no matter the timeline. It's called inductive reasoning.
There are many, many holes in the prime universe plotlines, too... but, you've clearly already decided that you are right, and everyone who disagrees with you is wrong.
Peace.
"ok, we'll make it a cheap novelty for u, but dont u dare put it into service Quinn!"
And the AR Connie's different design is based on the fact the Kelvin crew brought back scan data of a 24th Century ship, so the development period for the Connie was extended to take into account reverse engineering some of the tech based on the new scan data. Its possible that later on there will be a TMP style refit of the AR Connie, but we're still technically years away from that.
on the old show that was the only starfleet ship i remember...one ship for each faction as a standard. but how those space hippies got a tholian ship ill never know...i think they even had it stuck in reverse too. but what i gather from the JJ movie was the whole everything changed, even having multiple variation of the ships...the aquaman uniform designs and the NOD defenses on the hull. But in my honest opinion on and version of original trek, i liked the designs of the Enterprise series the best, the guns, tricorders and bridge consoles and interior design was the best look... too bad they didnt have that from the beginning
Of course there were other Constitution-classes commissioned before the Enterprise! The line of ships is called Constitution, not Enterprise, and if Enterprise was the lead ship, the class would be called... Enterprise-class
It makes sense to me, what about you lot?
Now it's the end of the year and everyone's like WHAAA!? lol