Expansions don't make money directly; heck, they cost money. Lockboxes do.
To be fair, people were saying the same thing about Romulan lockboxes and the D'Deridex being inside them. Cryptic could have easily made money off of minimal effort by doing a Tal Shiar Lockbox with just the D'Deridex and Mogai in them and would have probably found it to be the most successful lockbox ever.
However, Cryptic was not willing to reach for that low-hanging fruit and decided to go with an expansion.
It is possible they may be doing the same thing with Borg vessels. Saving them for an actual mini-faction, or at least meeting us halfway by offering a Borg Co-Op lockbox while saving a Unimatrix Zero sub-faction (and an assortment of Borg vessels) for an expansion.
"Ugh, a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship in a chancebox? Cryptic has shown this game is dying. I am so leaving."
"Okay, I know I said I was leaving after the Jem'Hadar Attack Ship, but this time I really mean it if they're giving us Cardassian Galor cruisers in a lockbox..."
*several lockboxes later*
"... look, I really really really really mean it this time. If an Undine Lockbox comes out, I am so done with STO!"
"... damn it! Okay! If there's Xindi ships in this next lock box this game is really jumping the shark and I am done."
... okay, believe me this time, really! If there's a Borg Lockbox, that is it! The end times are nigh! I am done with this game!"
I can't remember anyone ever saying those things about many of the lockboxes you mentioned. Apart from the Undine one. And 5 out of my 100 or so friends did leave the game over that.
A borg box would undoubtedly have a similar effect.
I can't remember anyone ever saying those things about many of the lockboxes you mentioned. Apart from the Undine one. And 5 out of my 100 or so friends did leave the game over that.
A borg box would undoubtedly have a similar effect.
Oh, I remember that happening. People just pretend they didn't say that. Just like the same people I see in the STO forums over and over again who say they'll quit the game forever, or say they'll never give Cryptic another dime ever again while talking about their Legacy of Romulus or Delta Operations Pack months later.
I know those people exist, and whether they choose to admit it or not, I know what they've said and what silly ultimatums they've made -- and I know just how full of hot air they really are.
And why I don't take any of those threats seriously, and never did. :rolleyes:
Expansions don't make money directly; heck, they cost money. Lockboxes do.
DR would say otherwise.
Everyone burning all there game currencies upgrading... everyone grinding for hours on end to level. People stupidly buying $100+ expans... er ship packs. No way any of the previous lockboxes have been on the same scale. Geko said it himself largest sales day ever DR day one.
Of course the lockbox idea has made lots more with a collection of cheap to make junk no doubt.
Really though don't kid yourself the DR expansion was... CHEAP. Content wasn't exactly 10s of thousands of man hours... and the voice actors as much as we trek folk love em, are cheap frankly they don't cost much more then standard high quality voice actors.
Bring on the borg Expansion. A new lockbox won't save Q2 2015... game needs expansion cash. lol
To be fair, people were saying the same thing about Romulan lockboxes and the D'Deridex being inside them. Cryptic could have easily made money off of minimal effort by doing a Tal Shiar Lockbox with just the D'Deridex and Mogai in them and would have probably found it to be the most successful lockbox ever.
However, Cryptic was not willing to reach for that low-hanging fruit and decided to go with an expansion.
It is possible they may be doing the same thing with Borg vessels. Saving them for an actual mini-faction, or at least meeting us halfway by offering a Borg Co-Op lockbox while saving a Unimatrix Zero sub-faction (and an assortment of Borg vessels) for an expansion.
They could have but I think they had a couple of side goals.
First of all, I think having Klingons locked them into having Romulans. Not completely but it forms a triad of sorts. Those were the only three factions (along with non-aligned) for a good chunk of the Decipher card game. It's much more of a standard offering, a basic triad that a lot of Trek products have used. People are attracted to 3's. I think a lot of folks at Cryptic would say they have too many factions already if you got them off the record. It complicates development.
Second, I think they were shooting to expand the NUMBER of players dramatically and LOR was an attempt at really emphasizing F2P for the first time, unlikely to be replicated.
Third, something like a new faction or an expansion really only seems plausible once every 18 months or so. They spike revenue by aggressively targeting a lot of new players with expansions. They grow revenue from existing players by doing lockboxes. Saving for an expansion probably means waiting two years and this is likely our only major Delta Quadrant expansion just in terms of balancing resources and interest.
Fourth, the Cooperative lacks major appeal factors that the Collective has and the Collective is impossible to do very well.
I'm not going to say it's impossible. I'm going to say I think we're more likely to see a Cooperative lockbox than a faction.
The surest way I could see a Co-op "faction" would really be with no more than 5-10 levels of content and then siding with one of the existing ones, a less complete minifaction than the Romulans are.
Before we get a Borg lockbox, I want to see the other factions updated to T6...
The Undine and Voth (two of the more powerful races in the game imho) need a T6 ship/ships (I'd prefer them get one rather than some minor uninteresting Delta rising race get one)
'Oh we'll give the Kobali a super T6 ship, while the Undine and the Voth can rot in their inferior T5u ships'
Fleet ships! .. My T6 faction ship has less consoles than T5U and the lock box/Lobi T6 ships... bring them out!
Maybe if there was a Co-operative lock box, it would have a Probe inside. Nowhere NEAR being a proper Borg vessel, but the equivalent of the Kazon Raider...or a pet console.
We've already got Borg weapons and BOFFS, so maybe weapons would be like the original DS9 versions...which I miss.
Unless the Borg are made a playable faction, or a Co-operative faction, there should NEVER be a serious playable Borg vessel though...it would blow the game out of the water.
"Ugh, a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship in a chancebox? Cryptic has shown this game is dying. I am so leaving."
"Okay, I know I said I was leaving after the Jem'Hadar Attack Ship, but this time I really mean it if they're giving us Cardassian Galor cruisers in a lockbox..."
*several lockboxes later*
"... look, I really really really really mean it this time. If an Undine Lockbox comes out, I am so done with STO!"
"... damn it! Okay! If there's Xindi ships in this next lock box this game is really jumping the shark and I am done."
... okay, believe me this time, really! If there's a Borg Lockbox, that is it! The end times are nigh! I am done with this game!"
I doubt anyone would leave the game if a Borg Lock box was released, they'd TRIBBLE and moan about it until they scored a Borg Sphere or Probe and then they'd think it was the best box ever
We have most of the big bad boys from the Delta Quadrant, all that is really left is the Borg. So is it the next lock box or the 2nd next?
You know you want it!! Cause I want it.
It may be the only time that I throw money their way.
Genetic Sequencer: Turn liberated Borg
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
They would have to NERF the stats if they ever did...or offer an upgrade that "assimilated" your existing ship to match it.
Instead of mirror versions we'd get assimilated versions.
Would be awesome if they had special synergy with the assimilated sets.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
We have most of the big bad boys from the Delta Quadrant, all that is really left is the Borg. So is it the next lock box or the 2nd next?
You know you want it!! Cause I want it.
It may be the only time that I throw money their way.
Most? So we just started in the Delta Quadrant, which is wide open and lots of expansion can be done...multiple races out there which are advanced...we only have 1 ship from 2 races...and we have most?
We haven't even gotten a Vaadwaur ship...which I'm sure there will be a Vaadwaur ship down the road if not next.
Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
They would have to NERF the stats if they ever did...or offer an upgrade that "assimilated" your existing ship to match it.
I don't know, i think they need to buff the Borg ships like hell, because my Defiant, pardon, my Phantom can blow a frigging cube up in like 5 seconds. And I suspect I might actually survive such an alpha directed at me a bit longer than that, and even if I did not - I can choose to not fire at the Cube and last longer than 5 seconds to his fire.
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
I don't know, i think they need to buff the Borg ships like hell, because my Defiant, pardon, my Phantom can blow a frigging cube up in like 5 seconds. And I suspect I might actually survive such an alpha directed at me a bit longer than that, and even if I did not - I can choose to not fire at the Cube and last longer than 5 seconds to his fire.
When you go into a Red Alert, does it determine your rank and put against in an appropriately powered enemy with that same rank, or is it just a free-for-all?
I can handle a Red Alert myself in my Mobius, but it's pretty nightmarish for anyone without a strong ship and build.
When the Red Alert appears, there should be an option of Regular, Advanced and Elite to choose which you go into.
When you go into a Red Alert, does it determine your rank and put against in an appropriately powered enemy with that same rank, or is it just a free-for-all?
In Red Alerts, you're level 50. Next time you do one, check, and it'll show 50, with your "true" level in parenthesis.
Going back to the topic at hand, if we got a Borg lockbox, I'd want full size cubes in it, just to have a ship more annoyingly large than the Scimitar. I wouldn't buy it, but it would be amusing to see a bunch of cubes getting in each others way around ESD or DS9.
They could have but I think they had a couple of side goals.
First of all, I think having Klingons locked them into having Romulans. Not completely but it forms a triad of sorts. Those were the only three factions (along with non-aligned) for a good chunk of the Decipher card game. It's much more of a standard offering, a basic triad that a lot of Trek products have used. People are attracted to 3's. I think a lot of folks at Cryptic would say they have too many factions already if you got them off the record. It complicates development.
Second, I think they were shooting to expand the NUMBER of players dramatically and LOR was an attempt at really emphasizing F2P for the first time, unlikely to be replicated.
Third, something like a new faction or an expansion really only seems plausible once every 18 months or so. They spike revenue by aggressively targeting a lot of new players with expansions. They grow revenue from existing players by doing lockboxes. Saving for an expansion probably means waiting two years and this is likely our only major Delta Quadrant expansion just in terms of balancing resources and interest.
Fourth, the Cooperative lacks major appeal factors that the Collective has and the Collective is impossible to do very well.
I'm not going to say it's impossible. I'm going to say I think we're more likely to see a Cooperative lockbox than a faction.
The surest way I could see a Co-op "faction" would really be with no more than 5-10 levels of content and then siding with one of the existing ones, a less complete minifaction than the Romulans are.
It's funny you mention st:ccg I am Not endorsing this by any means,but the first new faction (besides the technical non-allied faction) was the borg in the first contact set even before cardassians,bajorans,and the rest of the lot that came out.
When you go into a Red Alert, does it determine your rank and put against in an appropriately powered enemy with that same rank, or is it just a free-for-all?
I think you're leveled up (or down) to 50 or 60. I think it's 50, but I could be wrong.
(But the results where the same before DR with a Defiant or Xindi Escort.)
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
Is fantastic like we went from "cryptic you wont take my money" to "I want a new lockbox" thread. And some of the guys that swear that they were going to leave the game are here now crying for a borg lockbox!
I only fly faction appropriate ships, myself; but I usually like to have a live and let live approach with other species' ships... But I just think a Borg ship is just inappropriate. I know people will say that the co-op circumvents some of my concerns, but it still just seems wrong.
The Borg should be the ultimate big-bad. Their shops should be strictly off limits.
...but if they wanted to do Borg augmented factional ships, that might be another story.
Is fantastic like we went from "cryptic you wont take my money" to "I want a new lockbox" thread. And some of the guys that swear that they were going to leave the game are here now crying for a borg lockbox!
LOL..
Well done cryptic..
It's because players want something cool for a change, and a Borg lockbox would be cool. I am sure they will sell really really well, especially if they are T6. Cryptic knows they can make a bundle, so I see it happening soon. Look we fight the Voth in Voth ships, and the Undine in Undine bioships!!. So why not fight borg in borg ships??
It's because players want something cool for a change, and a Borg lockbox would be cool. I am sure they will sell really really well, especially if they are T6. Cryptic knows they can make a bundle, so I see it happening soon. Look we fight the Voth in Voth ships, and the Undine in Undine bioships!!. So why not fight borg in borg ships??
So the price of the "word" from some players is a "cool" ship.
LOL.. and some of them even roleplay as Klingons! LOL
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Expansions don't make money directly; heck, they cost money. Lockboxes do.
To be fair, people were saying the same thing about Romulan lockboxes and the D'Deridex being inside them. Cryptic could have easily made money off of minimal effort by doing a Tal Shiar Lockbox with just the D'Deridex and Mogai in them and would have probably found it to be the most successful lockbox ever.
However, Cryptic was not willing to reach for that low-hanging fruit and decided to go with an expansion.
It is possible they may be doing the same thing with Borg vessels. Saving them for an actual mini-faction, or at least meeting us halfway by offering a Borg Co-Op lockbox while saving a Unimatrix Zero sub-faction (and an assortment of Borg vessels) for an expansion.
I can't remember anyone ever saying those things about many of the lockboxes you mentioned. Apart from the Undine one. And 5 out of my 100 or so friends did leave the game over that.
A borg box would undoubtedly have a similar effect.
...#LLAP...
That would explain why they removed exploration cluster missions!
Oh, I remember that happening. People just pretend they didn't say that. Just like the same people I see in the STO forums over and over again who say they'll quit the game forever, or say they'll never give Cryptic another dime ever again while talking about their Legacy of Romulus or Delta Operations Pack months later.
I know those people exist, and whether they choose to admit it or not, I know what they've said and what silly ultimatums they've made -- and I know just how full of hot air they really are.
And why I don't take any of those threats seriously, and never did. :rolleyes:
DR would say otherwise.
Everyone burning all there game currencies upgrading... everyone grinding for hours on end to level. People stupidly buying $100+ expans... er ship packs. No way any of the previous lockboxes have been on the same scale. Geko said it himself largest sales day ever DR day one.
Of course the lockbox idea has made lots more with a collection of cheap to make junk no doubt.
Really though don't kid yourself the DR expansion was... CHEAP. Content wasn't exactly 10s of thousands of man hours... and the voice actors as much as we trek folk love em, are cheap frankly they don't cost much more then standard high quality voice actors.
Bring on the borg Expansion. A new lockbox won't save Q2 2015... game needs expansion cash. lol
Odan Brota (Science Officer): Captain of a 28k DPS Scryer Intel Science Vessel, U.S.S. Kepler
Patiently waiting for a Romulan Science Vessel
no, no. no Fleet t6.5 cubes for liberated captains.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
They could have but I think they had a couple of side goals.
First of all, I think having Klingons locked them into having Romulans. Not completely but it forms a triad of sorts. Those were the only three factions (along with non-aligned) for a good chunk of the Decipher card game. It's much more of a standard offering, a basic triad that a lot of Trek products have used. People are attracted to 3's. I think a lot of folks at Cryptic would say they have too many factions already if you got them off the record. It complicates development.
Second, I think they were shooting to expand the NUMBER of players dramatically and LOR was an attempt at really emphasizing F2P for the first time, unlikely to be replicated.
Third, something like a new faction or an expansion really only seems plausible once every 18 months or so. They spike revenue by aggressively targeting a lot of new players with expansions. They grow revenue from existing players by doing lockboxes. Saving for an expansion probably means waiting two years and this is likely our only major Delta Quadrant expansion just in terms of balancing resources and interest.
Fourth, the Cooperative lacks major appeal factors that the Collective has and the Collective is impossible to do very well.
I'm not going to say it's impossible. I'm going to say I think we're more likely to see a Cooperative lockbox than a faction.
The surest way I could see a Co-op "faction" would really be with no more than 5-10 levels of content and then siding with one of the existing ones, a less complete minifaction than the Romulans are.
The Undine and Voth (two of the more powerful races in the game imho) need a T6 ship/ships (I'd prefer them get one rather than some minor uninteresting Delta rising race get one)
'Oh we'll give the Kobali a super T6 ship, while the Undine and the Voth can rot in their inferior T5u ships'
Fleet ships! .. My T6 faction ship has less consoles than T5U and the lock box/Lobi T6 ships... bring them out!
We've already got Borg weapons and BOFFS, so maybe weapons would be like the original DS9 versions...which I miss.
Unless the Borg are made a playable faction, or a Co-operative faction, there should NEVER be a serious playable Borg vessel though...it would blow the game out of the water.
I doubt anyone would leave the game if a Borg Lock box was released, they'd TRIBBLE and moan about it until they scored a Borg Sphere or Probe and then they'd think it was the best box ever
Genetic Sequencer: Turn liberated Borg
Instead of mirror versions we'd get assimilated versions.
Would be awesome if they had special synergy with the assimilated sets.
Most? So we just started in the Delta Quadrant, which is wide open and lots of expansion can be done...multiple races out there which are advanced...we only have 1 ship from 2 races...and we have most?
We haven't even gotten a Vaadwaur ship...which I'm sure there will be a Vaadwaur ship down the road if not next.
I don't know, i think they need to buff the Borg ships like hell, because my Defiant, pardon, my Phantom can blow a frigging cube up in like 5 seconds. And I suspect I might actually survive such an alpha directed at me a bit longer than that, and even if I did not - I can choose to not fire at the Cube and last longer than 5 seconds to his fire.
When you go into a Red Alert, does it determine your rank and put against in an appropriately powered enemy with that same rank, or is it just a free-for-all?
I can handle a Red Alert myself in my Mobius, but it's pretty nightmarish for anyone without a strong ship and build.
When the Red Alert appears, there should be an option of Regular, Advanced and Elite to choose which you go into.
In Red Alerts, you're level 50. Next time you do one, check, and it'll show 50, with your "true" level in parenthesis.
Going back to the topic at hand, if we got a Borg lockbox, I'd want full size cubes in it, just to have a ship more annoyingly large than the Scimitar. I wouldn't buy it, but it would be amusing to see a bunch of cubes getting in each others way around ESD or DS9.
It's funny you mention st:ccg I am Not endorsing this by any means,but the first new faction (besides the technical non-allied faction) was the borg in the first contact set even before cardassians,bajorans,and the rest of the lot that came out.
(But the results where the same before DR with a Defiant or Xindi Escort.)
LOL..
Well done cryptic..
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The Borg should be the ultimate big-bad. Their shops should be strictly off limits.
...but if they wanted to do Borg augmented factional ships, that might be another story.
It's because players want something cool for a change, and a Borg lockbox would be cool. I am sure they will sell really really well, especially if they are T6. Cryptic knows they can make a bundle, so I see it happening soon. Look we fight the Voth in Voth ships, and the Undine in Undine bioships!!. So why not fight borg in borg ships??
I could see paths for the story to bring them back into focus.
Not saying it's likely, just saying how I ultimately think it should be.
So the price of the "word" from some players is a "cool" ship.
LOL.. and some of them even roleplay as Klingons! LOL
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