I'm not apologizing for PWE or Cryptic, but TBH you self entitled babies sicken me.
You don't have to say that. The people that see your opinion will automatically think you are whether you say so or not. You're not exactly addressing anyone with much rationality, after all.
Just let it go. If they don't like the direction STO is going strong enough, they'll quit. Or have already. And if they don't feel that strong, this craziness will die down anyway. And hell, if enough TRIBBLE goes on here, STO will go back to easy mode for them.
By your logic, generating "free" Zen doing surveys should be considered a "fun" part of the "game" because it is tedious, clicky, devoid of innovation, and relies on doing lots of the same thing, over and over again, and is, again, by your definition is "hard".
I think you may not understand the logic of the person your addressing. I could be wrong though.
I'm not apologizing for PWE or Cryptic, but TBH you self entitled babies sicken me.
are you all rich kiddies and daddy when and bought you a Mercedes for your 16th birthday? get everything you wish for RIGHT NOW because mommy doesn't want her baby upset???
leveling SHOULD be HARD. I guess none of you live in the real world where LIFE is hard
a bit harsher than I would have put but yeah, cryptic made pre-DR leveling so easy for so long players went into shock over the change. having played other mmo's the current rate of leveling does seem closer to what it should be now, but its never going to be fast enough for those used to the old rate
That's the point of the complaints with levelling, crafting, upgrading, the way Cryptic does mob scaling, in fact probably a majority of the complaint are based around the fact that in no way does long, repetitive, boring, and clicky content equate to difficult content.
By your logic, generating "free" Zen doing surveys should be considered a "fun" part of the "game" because it is tedious, clicky, devoid of innovation, and relies on doing lots of the same thing, over and over again, and is, again, by your definition is "hard".
Maybe we can get Elite surveys that result in double the Zen and and differ only in that they have 17x more questions?
wtf are you talking about? I have said nothing about zen. i said that quite a few players are whining like self entitled children.
I hit 60 after the nerfs without even realizing it. Yeah, I felt it one or two times, but between doffs and dailies, I was entertained enough not to really notice it. I do Argala maybe once or twice a day, the WW in the morning and late evening just for laughs (been spending too much time with my ice boots on the frozen lake though :eek: ), but otherwise just exploring and doing some Foundry stuff.
I was actually surprised one night when I was looking at the specializations and realized I had two points unallocated. I don't even remember when I got them.
Just play the game. Too many people turn it into work.
Heck, load up your lowbie ships with Mark XIIs for laughs, and see how much content you can blow through. I'm considering doing the NX challenge now. Before you turn around, you'll realize you were both having fun and getting the points needed for the next level.
wtf are you talking about? I have said nothing about zen. i said that quite a few players are whining like self entitled children.
You said the game is "hard" like real life.
It's a grindy clickfest with lots of numbers artificially inflated to make playtime metrics look good.
The Zen surveys follow your exact definition of what is "hard" and what STO is.
So ideally, they should be a required part of the game, and were we to "whine" about those, that too would be as the whining of entitled 16 years olds, because they meet your personal standards of "hard" the same way life is "hard".
My guess is "hope" keeps people not playing but posting on the forums. For others, its a path of sad realization and closure. Grieving takes time. The worst "haters" here love the game, or did at some point.
I'm not apologizing for PWE or Cryptic, but TBH you self entitled babies sicken me.
are you all rich kiddies and daddy when and bought you a Mercedes for your 16th birthday? get everything you wish for RIGHT NOW because mommy doesn't want her baby upset???
leveling SHOULD be HARD. I guess none of you live in the real world where LIFE is hard
If I wanted a game thats simulated a fake real life I would be playing something like Eve.
Wait I am. If Cryptic wants to go that way they have to not force you to play the game the way they want. Being forced to do the same boring theme park style stuff over and over to level at the speed of a sandbox game... is just boring.
It's a grindy clickfest with lots of numbers artificially inflated to make playtime metrics look good.
The Zen surveys follow your exact definition of what is "hard" and what STO is.
So ideally, they should be a required part of the game, and were we to "whine" about those, that too would be as the whining of entitled 16 years olds, because they meet your personal standards of "hard" the same way life is "hard".
and againyour lack of reading comprehension has let you down I said it SHOULD be hard. and you throw in some nonsense insinuating that i support some survey TRIBBLE. you disagree with what i said fine but respond to WHAT I SAID not what you SUPPOSE or IMAGINE
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That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
My biggest problem is that I have played the game wayyyyy too much - like 4000 hours to much in the last 3 years. Now I am ultra casual. Cryptic has basically made us ultra casuals excluded from much of the higher content unless we grind the stuff that drove some of us to ultra casual. Personally I think that is a big mistake. It has nothing to do with being a coddled baby like some posters claim.
My biggest problem is that I have played the game wayyyyy too much - like 4000 hours to much in the last 3 years. Now I am ultra casual. Cryptic has basically made us ultra casuals excluded from much of the higher content unless we grind the stuff that drove some of us to ultra casual. Personally I think that is a big mistake. It has nothing to do with being a coddled baby like some posters claim.
The problem I see is that in calling casuals coddled, that somehow implies video game skill (or in this case tenacity) is somehow worthy of admiration or respect.
That's a tricky sell. For me. As someone who ground the Wintersaber mount in WoW when it was hard and achieved Bloodsail Admiral. I did those things because they were rare, not because they were par for the course.
I might be willing to overcome a grind to be somehow uniquely distinguished cosmetically in a game but I'm not going to overcome a grind just to keep pace.
wouldn't be so bad, if you didn't have to repeat the same ****e over and over and over and over to get it, would it?
The difference between 'Grind" and "Not Grind" isn't the distance you have to cover, it's how much fun you had covering it.
Well the Argala system is giving me 10k per run on advanced. So I suppose that is not so bad. But if Ihave to grind, I like the grind to be fun and interesting - this is not in sto right now.(at least at any reasonable speed for us casual players) the game should not be fully geared towards hard core players. In the past when I was 4-5 hours a day, this would not be a problem - now it's a real slog.
My biggest problem is that I have played the game wayyyyy too much - like 4000 hours to much in the last 3 years. Now I am ultra casual. Cryptic has basically made us ultra casuals excluded from much of the higher content unless we grind the stuff that drove some of us to ultra casual. Personally I think that is a big mistake. It has nothing to do with being a coddled baby like some posters claim.
no offence, but if your ultra-casual why do care if you have access to higher content? and why do you think you deserve it as much as someone who plays more?
if someone who plays less gets rewarded just as much as someone who plays more, I would call that a serious gameplay balance issue, wouldn't you?
I'm not apologizing for PWE or Cryptic, but TBH you self entitled babies sicken me.
are you all rich kiddies and daddy when and bought you a Mercedes for your 16th birthday? get everything you wish for RIGHT NOW because mommy doesn't want her baby upset???
leveling SHOULD be HARD. I guess none of you live in the real world where LIFE is hard
No ... sadly we have to work ... no free Mercedes for me ;( .... that's why we would prefer to spend our Free Time with something else ... which is fun & not work, down in the coal mines :P ...
PS : Leveling is not "Hard" it's just "tedious busy-work" ... if you want "Hard" try X-Com (1994) or something ...
PPS : If people who don't wanna experience "Real-Life" in "Video-Games" sicken you ... you should seek Therapy ...
Patch Notes : Resolved an Issue, where people would accidently experience Fun.
I don't think his point was points, or 'rewards' in the extrinsic sense. (meaning the "rewards from the company for playing the game").
I think he was agreeing with me, in that doing the same thing, over-and-over-and-over-and-over-and-over-and-over is intrinsically not rewarding.
Short form, it could take you a year to level up-but if you're having fun, it's not a burden. It's a burden when the fun's run out and all you're doing it for, is "Musht have moar POINTZ!!! TO FILL SLIDEBAR!!!"
My biggest problem is that I have played the game wayyyyy too much - like 4000 hours to much in the last 3 years. Now I am ultra casual. Cryptic has basically made us ultra casuals excluded from much of the higher content unless we grind the stuff that drove some of us to ultra casual. Personally I think that is a big mistake. It has nothing to do with being a coddled baby like some posters claim.
I'm not on that much either, I can tell you that. my point is a lot of players feel they should get everything for little to no effort, and they want it right this second.
in other words, they are spoiled brats. and has been pointed out, no one is pointing a gun at your head saying grind or die.
my primary toon is up to level 52.. the alts are at 50. I have not set one foot in delta. it's very possible i will hit level 60 and never see a bit of DR contant other than looking over Mark's shoulder.
my primary toon is up to level 52.. the alts are at 50. I have not set one foot in delta. it's very possible i will hit level 60 and never see a bit of DR contant other than looking over Mark's shoulder.
In other words, you have no idea what you're talking about .... 52 within 2 months, wow ... lets talk in 3 years when you're LvL "110" then ...
Patch Notes : Resolved an Issue, where people would accidently experience Fun.
I suggest you take a break from the forums if you are getting this worked up.
I agree. The forums are for letting off steam - and not toward each other.
Judging from your posts ITT, annemarie30, there are a LOT of people in the forums whom you'll disagree with. And while I admit, it's refreshing to see someone else with an overall positive opinion about Delta Rising, it's no good to be this hostile.
Tell me how it goes for you when more specializations come out. I doubt you'll be saying "LvL 160", "LvL 210", etc after that.
oh i'm sure they will be, I expect when they announce the next set of speacializations the first 10 threads on this forum will be of the " OMG THEY ARE ADDING MOAR GRIND" variety
Tell me how it goes for you when more specializations come out. I doubt you'll be saying "LvL 160", "LvL 210", etc after that.
Assuming they do come out & you're supposed to "earn them all" ... that's exactly what I'm gonna say ... not just that, I'm also gonna laugh my TRIBBLE off, because they were concerned about "Power Creep" 2 months ago ...
Patch Notes : Resolved an Issue, where people would accidently experience Fun.
Assuming they do come out & you're supposed to "earn them all" ... that's exactly what I'm gonna say ...
You DO know you can only have one primary and one secondary active at once, right? Any more is optional. You don't even need all three now unless you do ground and space stuff evenly.
If you define "supposed to" that way, that's your call. But I don't wanna see you getting so worked up over optional content.
I'm not on that much either, I can tell you that. my point is a lot of players feel they should get everything for little to no effort, and they want it right this second.
in other words, they are spoiled brats. and has been pointed out, no one is pointing a gun at your head saying grind or die.
my primary toon is up to level 52.. the alts are at 50. I have not set one foot in delta. it's very possible i will hit level 60 and never see a bit of DR contant other than looking over Mark's shoulder.
Once again someone who hasn't actually experienced the grind at the end of the game, the grubbing around trying to find 158,000 skill points, proclaims themselves an expert.
You DO know you can only have one primary and one secondary active at once, right? Any more is optional. You don't even need all three now unless you do ground and space stuff evenly.
If you define "supposed to" that way, that's your call. But I don't wanna see you getting so worked up over optional content.
Yeah sorry LvL 95 then :P ... as for new "Spec. Trees" ... I doubt they're gonna touch this again, before they nerf it in 1-2 years, in favor of some other nonsense ... and since I'm not psychic like annemarie30, I can't tell you how they would work ... sane people would expect Respec's etc, but since it's not an option right now ...
Patch Notes : Resolved an Issue, where people would accidently experience Fun.
I'm not apologizing for PWE or Cryptic, but TBH you self entitled babies sicken me.
are you all rich kiddies and daddy when and bought you a Mercedes for your 16th birthday? get everything you wish for RIGHT NOW because mommy doesn't want her baby upset???
leveling SHOULD be HARD. I guess none of you live in the real world where LIFE is hard
In most games, this is suppose to be an escape from real life's doldrums... why are we getting reminders of it?
Yeah sorry LvL 95 then :P ... as for new "Spec. Trees" ... I doubt they're gonna touch this again, before they nerf it in 1-2 years, in favor of some other nonsense ... and since I'm not psychic like annemarie30, I can't tell you how they would work ... sane people would expect Respec's etc, but since it's not an option right now ...
I'm not sure how much you value dev word, but one or two did say they already had the next set of specializations made up at Delta Rising's release.
I just hope it comes with new BOFF flavors like Intel did. I sad it before, and I'll say it again, Intel BOFF seatings are getting too saturated.
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Just let it go. If they don't like the direction STO is going strong enough, they'll quit. Or have already. And if they don't feel that strong, this craziness will die down anyway. And hell, if enough TRIBBLE goes on here, STO will go back to easy mode for them.
I think you may not understand the logic of the person your addressing. I could be wrong though.
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a bit harsher than I would have put but yeah, cryptic made pre-DR leveling so easy for so long players went into shock over the change. having played other mmo's the current rate of leveling does seem closer to what it should be now, but its never going to be fast enough for those used to the old rate
wtf are you talking about? I have said nothing about zen. i said that quite a few players are whining like self entitled children.
I hit 60 after the nerfs without even realizing it. Yeah, I felt it one or two times, but between doffs and dailies, I was entertained enough not to really notice it. I do Argala maybe once or twice a day, the WW in the morning and late evening just for laughs (been spending too much time with my ice boots on the frozen lake though :eek: ), but otherwise just exploring and doing some Foundry stuff.
I was actually surprised one night when I was looking at the specializations and realized I had two points unallocated. I don't even remember when I got them.
Just play the game. Too many people turn it into work.
Heck, load up your lowbie ships with Mark XIIs for laughs, and see how much content you can blow through. I'm considering doing the NX challenge now. Before you turn around, you'll realize you were both having fun and getting the points needed for the next level.
You said the game is "hard" like real life.
It's a grindy clickfest with lots of numbers artificially inflated to make playtime metrics look good.
The Zen surveys follow your exact definition of what is "hard" and what STO is.
So ideally, they should be a required part of the game, and were we to "whine" about those, that too would be as the whining of entitled 16 years olds, because they meet your personal standards of "hard" the same way life is "hard".
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If I wanted a game thats simulated a fake real life I would be playing something like Eve.
Wait I am. If Cryptic wants to go that way they have to not force you to play the game the way they want. Being forced to do the same boring theme park style stuff over and over to level at the speed of a sandbox game... is just boring.
and againyour lack of reading comprehension has let you down I said it SHOULD be hard. and you throw in some nonsense insinuating that i support some survey TRIBBLE. you disagree with what i said fine but respond to WHAT I SAID not what you SUPPOSE or IMAGINE
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l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
The problem I see is that in calling casuals coddled, that somehow implies video game skill (or in this case tenacity) is somehow worthy of admiration or respect.
That's a tricky sell. For me. As someone who ground the Wintersaber mount in WoW when it was hard and achieved Bloodsail Admiral. I did those things because they were rare, not because they were par for the course.
I might be willing to overcome a grind to be somehow uniquely distinguished cosmetically in a game but I'm not going to overcome a grind just to keep pace.
Well the Argala system is giving me 10k per run on advanced. So I suppose that is not so bad. But if Ihave to grind, I like the grind to be fun and interesting - this is not in sto right now.(at least at any reasonable speed for us casual players) the game should not be fully geared towards hard core players. In the past when I was 4-5 hours a day, this would not be a problem - now it's a real slog.
no offence, but if your ultra-casual why do care if you have access to higher content? and why do you think you deserve it as much as someone who plays more?
if someone who plays less gets rewarded just as much as someone who plays more, I would call that a serious gameplay balance issue, wouldn't you?
No ... sadly we have to work ... no free Mercedes for me ;( .... that's why we would prefer to spend our Free Time with something else ... which is fun & not work, down in the coal mines :P ...
PS : Leveling is not "Hard" it's just "tedious busy-work" ... if you want "Hard" try X-Com (1994) or something ...
PPS : If people who don't wanna experience "Real-Life" in "Video-Games" sicken you ... you should seek Therapy ...
Exactly my point.
I'm not on that much either, I can tell you that. my point is a lot of players feel they should get everything for little to no effort, and they want it right this second.
in other words, they are spoiled brats. and has been pointed out, no one is pointing a gun at your head saying grind or die.
my primary toon is up to level 52.. the alts are at 50. I have not set one foot in delta. it's very possible i will hit level 60 and never see a bit of DR contant other than looking over Mark's shoulder.
In other words, you have no idea what you're talking about .... 52 within 2 months, wow ... lets talk in 3 years when you're LvL "110" then ...
on the contrary, I do know.
but go ahead and stamp your foot and hold your breath. maybe mommy will bring you a blankie.
I suggest you take a break from the forums if you are getting this worked up.
I agree. The forums are for letting off steam - and not toward each other.
Judging from your posts ITT, annemarie30, there are a LOT of people in the forums whom you'll disagree with. And while I admit, it's refreshing to see someone else with an overall positive opinion about Delta Rising, it's no good to be this hostile.
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oh i'm sure they will be, I expect when they announce the next set of speacializations the first 10 threads on this forum will be of the " OMG THEY ARE ADDING MOAR GRIND" variety
Assuming they do come out & you're supposed to "earn them all" ... that's exactly what I'm gonna say ... not just that, I'm also gonna laugh my TRIBBLE off, because they were concerned about "Power Creep" 2 months ago ...
If you define "supposed to" that way, that's your call. But I don't wanna see you getting so worked up over optional content.
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Once again someone who hasn't actually experienced the grind at the end of the game, the grubbing around trying to find 158,000 skill points, proclaims themselves an expert.
Funny stuff.
Free Tibet!
Yeah sorry LvL 95 then :P ... as for new "Spec. Trees" ... I doubt they're gonna touch this again, before they nerf it in 1-2 years, in favor of some other nonsense ... and since I'm not psychic like annemarie30, I can't tell you how they would work ... sane people would expect Respec's etc, but since it's not an option right now ...
In most games, this is suppose to be an escape from real life's doldrums... why are we getting reminders of it?
I just hope it comes with new BOFF flavors like Intel did. I sad it before, and I'll say it again, Intel BOFF seatings are getting too saturated.
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