The one thing that always stands out about janeway to me
Is the outright murder of Tuvix....probably not spelled right
For that and that alone I would have had her hanged when the she returned to earth
What about Archer doing the same to the Cmdr Tripp Clone?
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Janeway saved two people by sacrificing one, and I don't really see how it's murder, technically tuvix was the result of a murder of two people. The status quo didn't change as a result of Janeway's actions.
Janeway saved two people by sacrificing one, and I don't really see how it's murder, technically tuvix was the result of a murder of two people. The status quo didn't change as a result of Janeway's actions.
I agree, but I like to think of it as. Saving two people by undoing a transporter accident.
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I agree, but I like to think of it as. Saving two people by undoing a transporter accident.
Completely, people just hate janeway so they make a big deal out of nothing. A transporter accident killed 2 people, and janeway brought them back to life. All there is to it. If I was Tuvok/neelix I would forever hate janeway for letting Tuvix live.
Well...technically Archer never broke the Prime Directive...because there was no Prime Directive to break. I believe there is a legal term for that, basically, 'you broke a law that didn't exist yet, so you aren't held accountable', if I am thinking right. Perhaps someone could help clarify either way.
Don't misunderstand, that doesn't excuse a lot of the messed up stuff he did. Just that he didn't break the PD.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Well...technically Archer never broke the Prime Directive...because there was no Prime Directive to break. I believe there is a legal term for that, basically, 'you broke a law that didn't exist yet, so you aren't held accountable', if I am thinking right. Perhaps someone could help clarify either way.
Don't misunderstand, that doesn't excuse a lot of the messed up stuff he did. Just that he didn't break the PD.
Correct, with a few exceptions, you cannot convict someone on an ex post facto law--which literally means it only became illegal "after the fact" of what is now defined as a crime.
Interestingly, it appears a VOY episode got the name "Ex Post Facto."
So yes, Archer messed up badly in some areas...though I think in a few instances he was right and the application of the Prime Directive in later years was wrong. But it may be that the law was written because of things Archer and other early captains of the United Earth and Coalition of Planets era did.
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Yeah, that was really borderline. I'm surprised that Phlox did it. I still see it as a disturbing episode. Even the Doctor wouldn't separate Tuvix as he saw this as going against his oaf to harm a patient.
Thing is, this kind of thing is being debated in real life.
IIRC Phlox was extremely bothered but felt he had no choice.
Correct, with a few exceptions, you cannot convict someone on an ex post facto law--which literally means it only became illegal "after the fact" of what is now defined as a crime.
Interestingly, it appears a VOY episode got the name "Ex Post Facto."
So yes, Archer messed up badly in some areas...though I think in a few instances he was right and the application of the Prime Directive in later years was wrong. But it may be that the law was written because of things Archer and other early captains of the United Earth and Coalition of Planets era did.
I think that was the point of his actions, on script
I stopped worrying about such things. Our Captains basically maraud across the galaxy in fine imperialist tradition, caring nought for anything but their own whim and the glory, sorry, safety, of the Federation.
Cryptic have created a setting where might makes right. You can tell me not to trespass, but you have to be mighty enough to make me; I chew through entire Borg Cubes with my little ship, so good luck with that.
It's almost like the whole thing is designed and written by total amateurs who don't care about the integrity of the setting, and would do stuff like adding black sports stripes to new Federation ships like some sort of five year old's conception of cool.
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What about Archer doing the same to the Cmdr Tripp Clone?
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I agree, but I like to think of it as. Saving two people by undoing a transporter accident.
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Well...technically Archer never broke the Prime Directive...because there was no Prime Directive to break. I believe there is a legal term for that, basically, 'you broke a law that didn't exist yet, so you aren't held accountable', if I am thinking right. Perhaps someone could help clarify either way.
Don't misunderstand, that doesn't excuse a lot of the messed up stuff he did. Just that he didn't break the PD.
Correct, with a few exceptions, you cannot convict someone on an ex post facto law--which literally means it only became illegal "after the fact" of what is now defined as a crime.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_post_facto_law
Interestingly, it appears a VOY episode got the name "Ex Post Facto."
So yes, Archer messed up badly in some areas...though I think in a few instances he was right and the application of the Prime Directive in later years was wrong. But it may be that the law was written because of things Archer and other early captains of the United Earth and Coalition of Planets era did.
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IIRC Phlox was extremely bothered but felt he had no choice.
I think that was the point of his actions, on script
Cryptic have created a setting where might makes right. You can tell me not to trespass, but you have to be mighty enough to make me; I chew through entire Borg Cubes with my little ship, so good luck with that.
It's almost like the whole thing is designed and written by total amateurs who don't care about the integrity of the setting, and would do stuff like adding black sports stripes to new Federation ships like some sort of five year old's conception of cool.