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Congratulations, Cryptic. You broke the game with a passive trait.

darramouss1darramouss1 Member Posts: 1,811 Arc User
edited December 2014 in PvP Gameplay
I've always thought that it would be a console or ability that would ultimately break this game. I was wrong. Traits have truly broken/smashed/demolished this game. Passive ones at that.

Load Viral Torp, the trait from the Benthan cruiser, makes the next torpedo you fire disable the target for 5 seconds. Every 10 seconds.

Seriously? WTF?

Even though it's cleared by Science Team, Science Team can only activate once every 15 seconds if you have 2 copies or you're using Aux2BS. Meaning you can most likely get at least 1 or 2 disables per Science Team. If you can't speed up the cooldown of Science Team or you only have one then you're going to be disabled 3 or 4 times per Science Team.

If you don't stock Science Team on your ship then you're disabled for 50% of the match. Take a moment to think about that. Take a moment to think about how on Earth could anyone in their right mind implement such a change with the honest belief that the game could be better for such a change.

Pure and simple, this is game breaking.

The other passive trait that is game breaking is Desperate Repairs. This is ludicrous. I've played at least 10 matches against people that have it and every match has shown that Desperate Repairs has healed more than every other healing ability combined. One match was against an Engineer that had HE 2, Aux2SIF 3 and Engineering Team 2. Desperate Repairs healed more than double the hull than the combined amount of those hull heals PLUS Miracle Worker did.

Tell me how this is balanced? Tell me how this isn't a crippling blow to PvP?

Cryptic, You're ruining this game more and more every day. I'm now of the opinion that the sooner this game dies the sooner another Star Trek game can be made by someone else, hopefully someone that will learn from your foolhardy and erroneous ways. I'm writing to CBS to implore that they cease all business with you for damaging the Star Trek name with this sham of a game. I ask anyone else who is as disappointed with this game as I am to do the same.
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    antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Well its 20s not 10s.

    It loads a torp you can fire any time in the next 30s... and yes the self lockout is 10s... The protection on one target though is 20s. So if you reload it 10s later and hit the same target it will not disable them. You can however switch targets and disable someone else instead.

    Is it really anymore broken then Reprocity though ? lol

    Seriously though games been dead awhile... don't beat yourself up enjoy the PvE and or find something else worth PvPing in.
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    dius1981dius1981 Member Posts: 500
    edited December 2014
    Nothing wrong with Viral Torp - Leave it alone.

    Nuetronic Torp however, lordy lordy lordy...

    D,
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    virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Considering you have to use a Team...it's not really passive. You have to do something for it to happen. Just a nitpick there...

    It's also locked out if you use TS or HY...probably Transport as well.
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    warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited December 2014

    Is it really anymore broken then Reprocity though ? lol

    Reciprocity? LOL, that thing is Scimitar OP :D
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    markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Considering you have to use a Team...it's not really passive. You have to do something for it to happen. Just a nitpick there...

    It's also locked out if you use TS or HY...probably Transport as well.
    Now I'm curious... and I'm rarely curious enough to ask questions in the PvP forum, Does it work with Hargh or Bioneural?
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    antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Now I'm curious... and I'm rarely curious enough to ask questions in the PvP forum, Does it work with Hargh or Bioneural?

    Yes and no.

    Yes to the pang that is. Its a great trait to use with the pang as the speed makes it a very easy to use insta stun.

    When I left a few weeks back I didn't find VM torp any more op then any of the other traits... and ya it does require you run a torp build, which is self balancing. Its a bit more annoyance to add on a sci sci outside of that though I didn't find it all that great. As Virus has said it is over ridden by any actual torp skill (yes transport as well)... its mostly nice on a sci where you can pop them off inbetween spreads... and yes a pang makes likely the best VM insta stun torp.
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    darramouss1darramouss1 Member Posts: 1,811 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Where the VM torp is deadliest is on a ship built for TBR with other assorted disables, such as Tachyon Beam with DOFF, Ionic Turbulence, Photonic Shockwave, Photonic Torpedo, Electromagnetic Pulse Probe, Viral Matrix, the Gather Intelligence abilities, all topped off with Subnuc. All in all a good ship can have you disabled for most of a match whilst you watch your hull fall away due to TBR.

    It makes any non-intelligence ship completely useless.
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    markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Ah, good to know. :D
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    notrealednanotrealedna Member Posts: 1,028
    edited December 2014
    when we couldnt retrait geko said "its that because he doesnt want to see traits for sale" :rolleyes:

    about the same time he said "we will never add mk 13 gear" .
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    scurry5scurry5 Member Posts: 1,554 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Hmmm.....did they recycle the old Borg 2-pc code for desperate repairs?
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    dova25dova25 Member Posts: 475
    edited December 2014
    Viral torpedo+Neutronic Torpedo = Iwin button

    Reciprocity = +2 free space doff for Fed Tac's

    Last time I did PVP in STO more than 90% of teams were FED .

    Just a coincidence ......................
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    virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    patrickngo wrote: »
    nah, working as intended. If you play KDF anymore, you're not just up against other players, you're fighting against the will of the in-universe Gods, who want you to retire your KDF to farming Dilithium, and assimilate into Fed-dom.

    Hey now, I resemble that remark! :mad:

    ;)

    edit: Er, though, I barely bother even to DOFF these days either...meh, 20 minutes of sitting around waiting each run.
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    sharxtremesharxtreme Member Posts: 850 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Well its 20s not 10s.


    Seriously though games been dead awhile... don't beat yourself up enjoy the PvE and or find something else worth PvPing in.

    Seriously, you are not playing the game and you can't make the statement that it is dead, because it isn't. You fkn left the game, why **** on forums every day, what's the point? preaching?
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    virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    sharxtreme wrote: »
    Seriously, you are not playing the game and you can't make the statement that it is dead, because it isn't. You fkn left the game, why **** on forums every day, what's the point? preaching?

    Maybe Hus is hanging around waiting for them to fix Enhanced Armor Penetration...
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    antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    sharxtreme wrote: »
    Seriously, you are not playing the game and you can't make the statement that it is dead, because it isn't. You fkn left the game, why **** on forums every day, what's the point? preaching?

    I've been out for 2 weeks... can't say I have read anything in the patch notes that would lead me to believe PvP isn't still a joke. If I'm wrong please convince me and I'll be back today. ;)
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    virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    I've been out for 2 weeks... can't say I have read anything in the patch notes that would lead me to believe PvP isn't still a joke. If I'm wrong please convince me and I'll be back today. ;)

    You can customize your Embassy Romulans with suspenders come Thursday! ;)
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    antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    You can customize your Embassy Romulans with suspenders come Thursday! ;)

    I hate you virus... must not patch must not patch. ;) lol kidden
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    sharxtremesharxtreme Member Posts: 850 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    I've been out for 2 weeks... can't say I have read anything in the patch notes that would lead me to believe PvP isn't still a joke. If I'm wrong please convince me and I'll be back today. ;)

    I took a break out for 2 weeks as well for different reasons, didn't post doom on forums, I came back and we are still doing games every night.
    Balanced i must say.
    You are free not to trust me, but ask people that played 4 5v5s yesterday if I'm wrong. T'Lilu, hannibal, Nekoru, Wadwor, John May Lives(my favorite KDF healer:), bauklotz, etc.
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    dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    latest tribble patch had nothing about an XP buff. geko trolls us again
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    maximus614maximus614 Member Posts: 162 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    dius1981 wrote: »
    Nothing wrong with Viral Torp - Leave it alone.

    Nuetronic Torp however, lordy lordy lordy...

    D,

    ok what is it about nuetronic torp that people think is op? Am i missing something? Cause i run it on my bug with high yield 2, so it shoots 3 torps, far as i know you only do power drain on one torp, so what is so op about it???
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    virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    latest tribble patch had nothing about an XP buff. geko trolls us again

    It was the previous Tribble patch which still hasn't hit Holodeck yet. There are two Tribble patches as well as the Winter Event waiting to hit Holodeck on Thursday.
    maximus614 wrote: »
    ok what is it about nuetronic torp that people think is op? Am i missing something? Cause i run it on my bug with high yield 2, so it shoots 3 torps, far as i know you only do power drain on one torp, so what is so op about it???

    Take a look at the damage your HY2 is doing there...kind of looks like HY3 damage, eh? Guess what that means for HY3 then? Woot, woot! Then you've got similar fun with TS2 ~= TS3 and TS3 just being wunderbar (are there two R's at the end there? I don't know)...course, TS1 is the very definition of pathetic underpowered garbage compared to everything else.
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    rossclansforce1rossclansforce1 Member Posts: 400 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    dius1981 wrote: »
    Nothing wrong with Viral Torp - Leave it alone.

    Nuetronic Torp however, lordy lordy lordy...

    D,

    Lol.. yep.. That is my next item to go on my sci ship.. Gravity well, tractor repulse converted to multi-tractor beam, energy and shield drain, then... bam the Nuetronic Torp hits all those ships with reduced shields and resistance... fun times.
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    dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    It was the previous Tribble patch which still hasn't hit Holodeck yet. There are two Tribble patches as well as the Winter Event waiting to hit Holodeck on Thursday.

    if i recall correctly that patch was very underwhelming, even with the double XP multiplier left on over on tribble
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    naz4naz4 Member Posts: 1,373 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    The game had to have been intact in the first place before it could be claimed as "broke the game"
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    virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    naz4 wrote: »
    The game had to have been intact in the first place before it could be claimed as "broke the game"

    They were holding things together MacGyver style...
    ...but then they up and went all MacGruber instead.
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    wildweasalwildweasal Member Posts: 1,053 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    dius1981 wrote: »
    Nothing wrong with Viral Torp - Leave it alone.

    Nuetronic Torp however, lordy lordy lordy...

    D,

    i cant believe in agreeing with you on anything but ..i agree (world ends)
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    antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    latest tribble patch had nothing about an XP buff. geko trolls us again

    Didn't I read they where correcting the Dyson battlezone ? Seems like he wasn't lying. :) lol
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    meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    dius1981 wrote: »
    Nothing wrong with Viral Torp - Leave it alone.

    Nuetronic Torp however, lordy lordy lordy...

    D,

    Nothing wrong with Surgical Strikes either. Leave it alone.

    It's always peeps from the PvP community that want to ruin it for everyone. :(
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