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gwassalorgwassalor Member Posts: 164
edited December 2014 in Federation Discussion
This is feedback forum, right? I read "This is where you post your feedback on Federation-exclusive content"

Cool. So dear devs, please give a ship tailor's customization option to remove tron-line blue lines from Phantom's saucer/hull and Eclipse's nacelles.

Seriously, it's a starship, not a pimp-my-ride, I can't see why the heck a starship would have a shining line along the nacelle.

Plus you make the intel story with black intel material to lower ship's radiation signature and then you add a shining strip so that anyone can see it across half of the sector :eek:
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  • altechachanaltechachan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    There are hull materials that give the Intel ships a more classic Federation look without the Tron lines. Here's mustrumridcully0's image album if you want to check them out.

    http://s883.photobucket.com/user/Mustrum_Ridcully/library/Startrek%20Online%20-%20Delta%20Rising?sort=6&page=1
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  • organicmanfredorganicmanfred Member Posts: 3,236 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I find all these posts interesting, where someone wants something and starts to insult and rant.

    Nice behaviour. But it seems this is standard in social media platforms.
  • gwassalorgwassalor Member Posts: 164
    edited November 2014
    There are hull materials that give the Intel ships a more classic Federation look without the Tron lines. Here's mustrumridcully0's image album if you want to check them out.

    http://s883.photobucket.com/user/Mustrum_Ridcully/library/Startrek%20Online%20-%20Delta%20Rising?sort=6&page=1

    No, there are not. I tried them all. The lines on sides of Eclipse nacelles are always there and so are the lines on the border between primary and secondary hull of Phantom. In both cases these lines actually glow. So you may find some hull materials, that reflect similar color under specific lighting conditions, making the glowing lines almost invisible, but as soon as you warp to sector space or system with different lighting, you immediately see the lines glowing in their full glory.

    In fact I fly with the light grey/white material, that makes the lines the least intrusive, but they're there.

    I wouldn't mind having recesses showing the blue plasma (or whatever inside the nacelles) on the sides of Eclipse nacelles, and recess in front of nacelle with bussard collector,
    similar to other fed ships. But these are not recesses, these are single-color, edge-to-edge tron lines.
  • gwassalorgwassalor Member Posts: 164
    edited November 2014
    I find all these posts interesting, where someone wants something and starts to insult and rant.

    Nice behaviour. But it seems this is standard in social media platforms.

    Define "insult and rant". I was merely referring with to the fact that the feedback forum is not really used like feedback forum by many people, and your comment demonstrates this as well. I used a bit of irony and whether it is appropriate or not is perhaps a matter of personal taste.

    And contrary to your belief that I "wanted something", I simply gave a feedback. I am responsible customer who believes it is helpful to to give a feedback. I am trying to use feedback edit: forum /edit for this. Even though Cryptic demonstrated that they won't listen to feedback most of the time, this shouldn't discourage their clients from giving feedback.
  • altechachanaltechachan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    gwassalor wrote: »
    No, there are not. I tried them all. The lines on sides of Eclipse nacelles are always there and so are the lines on the border between primary and secondary hull of Phantom. In both cases these lines actually glow. So you may find some hull materials, that reflect similar color under specific lighting conditions, making the glowing lines almost invisible, but as soon as you warp to sector space or system with different lighting, you immediately see the lines glowing in their full glory.

    In fact I fly with the light grey/white material, that makes the lines the least intrusive, but they're there.

    I wouldn't mind having recesses showing the blue plasma (or whatever inside the nacelles) on the sides of Eclipse nacelles, and recess in front of nacelle with bussard collector,
    similar to other fed ships. But these are not recesses, these are single-color, edge-to-edge tron lines.

    Well, your best bet at this point is to wait for more hull materials to be released. Or maybe find a shield gear that does an additional effect. Cryptic recently released more hull materials across their ships, so it has a fair chance of happening again.
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  • cmdrscarletcmdrscarlet Member Posts: 5,137 Arc User
    edited November 2014
  • thisslerthissler Member Posts: 2,055 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    gwassalor wrote: »
    Define "insult and rant". I was merely referring with to the fact that the feedback forum is not really used like feedback forum by many people, and your comment demonstrates this as well. I used a bit of irony and whether it is appropriate or not is perhaps a matter of personal taste.

    And contrary to your belief that I "wanted something", I simply gave a feedback. I am responsible customer who believes it is helpful to to give a feedback. I am trying to use feedback edit: forum /edit for this. Even though Cryptic demonstrated that they won't listen to feedback most of the time, this shouldn't discourage their clients from giving feedback.

    I see you don't understand your own posts. Allow me.
    gwassalor wrote: »
    Cool. So dear devs, please give a ship tailor's customization option to remove tron-line blue lines from Phantom's saucer/hull and Eclipse's nacelles.

    That is you stating what you want. You want a ship tailor option added.

    Seriously, it's a starship, not a pimp-my-ride, I can't see why the heck a starship would have a shining line along the nacelle.

    That is you being insulting. You do it a couple more times in other posts.

    Plus you make the intel story with black intel material to lower ship's radiation signature and then you add a shining strip so that anyone can see it across half of the sector :eek:

    I think you were calling this 'irony'. Or stating that the dev's design choices are ironic. Sure.

    Maybe if you take your time when you post you won't find yourself confused or insulted when another forum goer takes an interest in your content.

    Perhaps you need guidance in how to post? For instance you could follow this guideline.

    State your position: "Intel ships are too gaudy/florescent/glowing to really give a stealthy effect"

    State your proposal: "Intel ships need more costume options to allow them a more muted stealthy appearance"

    Thank the reader for their consideration: "Thank you for taking time out to read my post"

    and Thank You OP, for reading my post!

    See what I did there?
  • gwassalorgwassalor Member Posts: 164
    edited November 2014
    gwassalor wrote: »
    This is feedback forum, right? I read "This is where you post your feedback on Federation-exclusive content"

    Here I emphasize the fact that this is supposed to be a feedback forum. My understanding is that I am using this to give feedback to developers. Of course, I welcome anyone to read it, but I only expect comments that are related to the "matter" and will either support/share the same feedback or give workaround or solution in case my feedback is actually nonsense and shows my ignorance.
    gwassalor wrote: »
    Cool. So dear devs, please give a ship tailor's customization option to remove tron-line blue lines from Phantom's saucer/hull and Eclipse's nacelles.

    Here I am politely giving the feedback.
    gwassalor wrote: »
    Seriously, it's a starship, not a pimp-my-ride, I can't see why the heck a starship would have a shining line along the nacelle.

    Plus you make the intel story with black intel material to lower ship's radiation signature and then you add a shining strip so that anyone can see it across half of the sector :eek:

    Here I am elaborating on the feedback.

    If you find any of that offending, then I am sincerely sorry about that. You can see on a side when I joined and how many comments I made since then, so the risk that you'd run into another post of mine is fairly low.

    And no, I don't find your comment insulting. But it's a feedback on my style, not on tron-like lines, so it does not belong to this thread.
  • janus1975janus1975 Member Posts: 739 Arc User
    edited November 2014

    The Scryer could be interesting and Starfleet, if it was a bit more polished.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    janus1975 wrote: »
    The Scryer could be interesting and Starfleet, if it was a bit more polished.
    Whatever.... I don't see how that design is any better.
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  • gwassalorgwassalor Member Posts: 164
    edited November 2014
    Well, let me add that I really like the Phantom look. Reminds me B2 stealth bomber. I kind of like the Eclipse in general, reminds me a giant cyber-squid. I am willing to accept this special design for it's special intel ship. Guardian is lovely trek design for those that prefer it. It's really just the glowing lines that bug me. And they bug me more in real then what I was able to judge at ship vendor window at fixed lighting. But they don't bug me enough to prevent me from flying and enjoying the ship, so this was really supposed to be humble feedback. I believe it is easy for devs to give option to remove the lines if they see enough demand from the users and this thread could show this demand, if the demand really exists, and if the thread sticks to the topic.

    Regarding Scryer, I don't have it. I got Phantom for 3k and Eclipse in sale. I like Scryer in general. At least from the look at shipyard it seems it actually does not have these tron lines. What I don't like on Scryer are the edgy deflectors and pointy nacelles. Imho rounded, elliptical deflectors would look better. But that would really require basically full model revamp and that's not gonna happen.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,829 Community Moderator
    edited November 2014
    I believe I read somewhere that the Tron Lines were not just put in because they looked cool, but because from a gameplay standpoint, players needed to be able to see their stealthy ships in the blackness of space. Dark on Dark is hard to see, so they provided a means to see the ship more easily. So how do you do that while maintaining the stealthy look? Tron Lines. But they did add the ability to use other hull materials.

    @gwassalor: Try putting the Phantom necelles on the Scryer then. The Fed Intel ships share necelles. I got a friend who put Eclipse necelles on his Phantom, and I've seen Eclipse class ships with Phantom necelles.
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  • davidwforddavidwford Member Posts: 1,836 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    janus1975 wrote: »
    The Scryer could be interesting and Starfleet, if it was a bit more polished.
    Whatever.... I don't see how that design is any better.

    I agree. The Saucer looks too much like those Trade Federation ships from "SWE1: The Phantom Menace". And the straight-line defiant nacelles rather than SLIGHTLY underslung as "the original escort" doesn't help much either. Hell, the Yeager-Intrepid-Raider ship has much better lines. And I would like to see that as a T4 alternate to the Defiant(I don't even care about a T6 version, just a T4 version!).
  • mosul33mosul33 Member Posts: 836 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    gwassalor wrote: »
    Well, let me add that I really like the Phantom look. Reminds me B2 stealth bomber. I kind of like the Eclipse in general, reminds me a giant cyber-squid. I am willing to accept this special design for it's special intel ship. Guardian is lovely trek design for those that prefer it. It's really just the glowing lines that bug me. And they bug me more in real then what I was able to judge at ship vendor window at fixed lighting. But they don't bug me enough to prevent me from flying and enjoying the ship, so this was really supposed to be humble feedback. I believe it is easy for devs to give option to remove the lines if they see enough demand from the users and this thread could show this demand, if the demand really exists, and if the thread sticks to the topic.

    Same here, I've got fond of Phantom's look, altho to be it looks more like the old F-117 Stealth fighter. In fact, I am sad that this texture settings didnt made it to production (sry for the low quality, but STO own page that was displaying these is broken and the images cant be found anymore). It was a head-lights theme on the glowy bits near the deflector...
  • timelord79timelord79 Member Posts: 1,852 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    I don't understand... are you complaining about the blue glowing nacelle grilles that pretty much every Federation starship has in one shape or another?
    In case of the Intel ships those grilles are even really narrow. Much less obvious than your standard ship, right?
    The Fed ships not having glowing nacelle grills can probably be counted on one hand.
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  • jellico1jellico1 Member Posts: 2,719
    edited December 2014
    thissler wrote: »
    I see you don't understand your own posts. Allow me.



    Maybe if you take your time when you post you won't find yourself confused or insulted when another forum goer takes an interest in your content.

    Perhaps you need guidance in how to post? For instance you could follow this guideline.

    State your position: "Intel ships are too gaudy/florescent/glowing to really give a stealthy effect"

    State your proposal: "Intel ships need more costume options to allow them a more muted stealthy appearance"

    Thank the reader for their consideration: "Thank you for taking time out to read my post"

    and Thank You OP, for reading my post!

    See what I did there?


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  • mikoto8472mikoto8472 Member Posts: 607 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    I would also like the option to have the bright glowy Tron-lines removed from the T6 Intel ships. Let me worry about whether I can see my ship or not. ;)
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    mikoto8472 wrote: »
    I would also like the option to have the bright glowy Tron-lines removed from the T6 Intel ships. Let me worry about whether I can see my ship or not. ;)
    did you try the type 4 hull mat? It's what I used for the Lapland.
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  • gwassalorgwassalor Member Posts: 164
    edited December 2014
    timelord79 wrote: »
    I don't understand... are you complaining about the blue glowing nacelle grilles that pretty much every Federation starship has in one shape or another?
    In case of the Intel ships those grilles are even really narrow. Much less obvious than your standard ship, right?
    The Fed ships not having glowing nacelle grills can probably be counted on one hand.

    Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have a sort of blue grills or recesses that other fed ships have. What Eclipse has are lines, or stripes (or whatever is the right word, sorry), it's single solid color line with no texture, no shadowing, no recess, no grill, nothing. No beginning and no end - just single stripe that goes all along the nacelle.

    It does not evoke the traditional fed nacelle recess/grill thing and it does not evoke anything related to technology that would tell you it has some purpose. It really looks just like a cosmetic stripe and if they were three, the nacelle would look exactly like Adidas pants leg.
  • gwassalorgwassalor Member Posts: 164
    edited December 2014
    did you try the type 4 hull mat? It's what I used for the Lapland.

    Doesn't look bad with Phantom nacelles + the Borg theme is awesome! But the Scryer does not suffer from the tron lines as far as I could tell from the pictures and checking the ship in shipyard. I don't have it so I can't tell for sure.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Well, have you tried the type 4 material on the Phantom or Eclipse?
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  • gwassalorgwassalor Member Posts: 164
    edited December 2014
    Well, have you tried the type 4 material on the Phantom or Eclipse?

    Not sure who, me? I did, post #4. The lines are glowing with it's own color, the color slightly changes for different materials, but it's a glow, so they're always visible in dark systems and in sector space.
  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,966 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    And that's the other reason why the only T6 Fed ship I care about is the Guardian. (Reason number one being it actually looks like a Federation starship instead of the unloved TRIBBLE offspring of an F-117 and a squid.)
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  • curedmencuredmen Member Posts: 215 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    TRON TRON TRON TRON! Maybe Disney could buy this game from PWE?! LOL
  • variant37variant37 Member Posts: 867 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    curedmen wrote: »
    TRON TRON TRON TRON! Maybe Disney could buy this game from PWE?! LOL

    Mmm....if I were given the choice I honestly think I'd prefer owning Star Wars over Star Trek, so I think Disney is probably satisfied with what they have.
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  • captainkoltarcaptainkoltar Member Posts: 952 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    jellico1 wrote: »


    you remind me of a eliteist English teacher

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  • hpgibbshpgibbs Member Posts: 395 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    In that case, it's probably designated as a nacelle by game effects for all intents and purposes.
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    edited December 2014
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