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20% Off Everything and 15% Bonus ZEN - They're desperate for money

stardestroyer001stardestroyer001 Member Posts: 2,615 Arc User
Exactly what the title says.

Cryptic's grabbing desperately for money. I wouldn't spend a dime on this game right now.
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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Part of me has, indeed, noticed an usually high number of promotions of late.

    On the other hand, I'm thinking this is one of them situations Iconians might refer to as 'Damned if they do, damned if they don't.'
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  • westx211westx211 Member Posts: 42,327 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    Part of me has, indeed, noticed an usually high number of promotions of late.

    On the other hand, I'm thinking this is one of them situations Iconians might refer to as 'Damned if they do, damned if they don't.'

    Well actually whenever this isn't the first time they've done something like this. A while back the playerbase was mad about something else so they slammed in a bunch of promotions. In teh aftermath everything was fine whatever caused the outrage was later fixed and life moved on. This is likely a repeat.
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  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited November 2014
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  • hawku001xhawku001x Member Posts: 10,768 Arc User
    edited November 2014
  • donkeybong420donkeybong420 Member Posts: 97 Arc User
    edited November 2014
  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Exactly what the title says.

    Cryptic's grabbing desperately for money. I wouldn't spend a dime on this game right now.
    So you take something that happens every year on Black Friday and assume that they're desparate for money because of it?

    REALLY?!?

    How much more confirmation bias can you have? :eek:
  • bobtheskull99bobtheskull99 Member Posts: 706 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    yeah, having a sale on thanksgiving weekend is soooooo unusual, no one does that :rolleyes:
  • sanokskyratsanokskyrat Member Posts: 479 Media Corps
    edited November 2014
    yeah, having a sale on thanksgiving weekend is soooooo unusual, no one does that :rolleyes:

    I wouldn't know. Being Australian and English.
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  • bobtheskull99bobtheskull99 Member Posts: 706 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I wouldn't know. Being Australian and English.

    then note the post above mine, or google "black Friday"
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I can't remember them ever running a Zen promo AT THE SAME TIME as a store promo in STO.

    And I don't think they've included new items in a sale since very early Atari.

    I'm torn.

    I'd be a very small purchase away from the Intrepid interior pack. Less than $10.

    I'm also very unhappy with the direction of the game of late and have more or less stopped playing.

    I don't want to reward the current design direction. I also think it's probable that patches and such may eventually swing design back the other way (I can't see the current course being sustainable) and that I'd enjoy my purchase made now at that point.

    What do you guys think?
  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I wouldn't know. Being Australian and English.

    Its a Friday where once per year our American friends show there thankful for corporate greed. Videos of them showing there love for one another at places like walmart are pretty epic. ;)
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  • janus1975janus1975 Member Posts: 739 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I can't remember them ever running a Zen promo AT THE SAME TIME as a store promo in STO.

    And I don't think they've included new items in a sale since very early Atari.

    I'm torn.

    I'd be a very small purchase away from the Intrepid interior pack. Less than $10.

    I'm also very unhappy with the direction of the game of late and have more or less stopped playing.

    I don't want to reward the current design direction. I also think it's probable that patches and such may eventually swing design back the other way (I can't see the current course being sustainable) and that I'd enjoy my purchase made now at that point.

    What do you guys think?

    Let me ask you a couple of questions:
    • If the game is returned to a playable state as as a result of you ending up spending a bit more money, would you be happy?
    • If you save some money by buying now, but the game never changes direction from its current path, would you be happy?
  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    yeah, having a sale on thanksgiving weekend is soooooo unusual, no one does that :rolleyes:

    Well, as the Devs said, If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is. :P
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  • bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,534 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I wouldn't know. Being Australian and English.

    well I am UK and English and even I am aware of black Friday and the reason for the sale.

    When I think about everything we've been through together,

    maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,

     and if that journey takes a little longer,

    so we can do something we all believe in,

     I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.

  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    janus1975 wrote: »
    Let me ask you a couple of questions:
    • If the game is returned to a playable state as as a result of you ending up spending a bit more money, would you be happy?
    • If you save some money by buying now, but the game never changes direction from its current path, would you be happy?

    Yes to the first, obviously. There are many uncertainties in that, mind you. One of which is whether witholding money could result in a course change and, if so, how much.

    To the second one, I wouldn't be happy but it'd JUST be $10 spent that I was ultimately unhappy with.

    I guess one X-factor that could resolve this is whether today is my stipend day. I forget. If it is, it's irrelevant because I wouldn't have to spend anything. I can't remember if it's the 28th, 29th, or 30th or what time of day they hit.
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    In the last few years, Black Friday has invaded Canada to the point where almost all major Canadian stores have surrendered to it. The sad thing is that it is no longer limited to Black Friday, but can last for a week which defeats the purpose of calling it Black Friday.
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  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Wouldn't a 'Doom Sale' be 75%-90%--All Items Must Go! Last chance money grab extravaganza?

    Mark-ups before the sale to negate the discounted price but leave the sticker on so you can see what a great deal you're getting. ;)

    Then there's the thing about the word 'sale' itself..kind of misnomer since there's always something on-sale whether it's at a discount or not.

    I don't think this is a doom sale at all but it does seem like a deeper combo than usual. Maybe a "rough tides" sale.
  • rmy1081rmy1081 Member Posts: 2,840 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Exactly what the title says.

    Cryptic's grabbing desperately for money. I wouldn't spend a dime on this game right now.

    Quite a few other MMOs are running crazy big promotions this whole weekend. DDO has 75% off of their expansions for example. Although this is probably the biggest promotion STO has run, it's still not as big as others. I was even disappointed yesterday when I thought they were only doing a services promotion so I spend my money elsewhere. If anything they're a little late...
  • varthelmvarthelm Member Posts: 265 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    prior to DR...I always bought zen when it was on sale on general principle.

    Not a dime from me now. reduce upgrade costs to 1/10th what they are now...get rid of those time gates...i'll consider it
  • cbrjwrrcbrjwrr Member Posts: 2,782 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Exactly what the title says.

    Cryptic's grabbing desperately for money. I wouldn't spend a dime on this game right now.

    You do yourself a disservice, posting with a distinct lack of awareness of current events like this.



    Don't worry, I've not got a clue either...
  • chiyoumikuchiyoumiku Member Posts: 1,028 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Uhm yeah OP that's because the biggest shopping season of them all is tomorrow, everyone's doing sales like that. has nothing to do with losing money.
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  • originalspockoriginalspock Member Posts: 809 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    And Cryptic give away items every year for free for several days, Cryptic has a 20% sale and you go chicken little? The sky isn't falling.
  • vesterengvestereng Member Posts: 2,252 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I actually believe the "insert dil now" buttons have been their best release yet - in terms of scamming whales.

    Nothing comes even remotely close to tricking them into paying 5 million dil for nothing but notepad copy-pasting, the emperor's new clothes.

    If an ACCOUNT ship is 480,000, you now got the whales paying almost 10 times that for empty stats that required ZERO work...

    SO, 10 ships bought per character and you didn't have to lift a finger to develop anything.

    As far as they DESERVE to not be making money and deserve to get burned you are totally right.

    Is it okay to pay them for NOT creating new animations, models and content of course not
  • captainpugwash1captainpugwash1 Member Posts: 908 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Maybe they nerf it by mistake,,,,,,,
  • peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 6,225 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Well I’m the last one not going after sales and used them enthusiastically with Cryptic the past 3 years.

    But at the moment, no thanks. When the game you love to play suddenly lacks fun all those cool shiny toys you could get suddenly feel irrelevant.

    At the moment my main fun killers are:

    - Rare and only claustrophobic means for spec tree progression in a rate that makes it hardly motivating to continue.
    - Not challenging and not teamwork related fail criteria in PvE endgame queues which lead to an annoying game experience when I team up with players at a lower level of experience/capabilities/game progression than I am.
    - Empty queue lists due to lack of interest (slim reward vs. risk of fails)

    The only thing that keeps me in game are the remaining fleet mates and in game friends. Glad I can make the best of it in the f2p model.
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  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Maybe they nerf it by mistake,,,,,,,

    Perhaps tomorrow we'll get a long rambling incoherent dev post about it.

    "While contemplating the Black Friday Sale for Star Trek Online, there was a lot of work that went into creating a sales schema for zen and overall item costs and the requirements of dilithium needed to purchase items. Throughout the creation and testing of this sale, much of the team’s attention was focused on whether or not the zen bonus and the items unlocked felt correct. Unfortunately, since the release of Delta Rising, we have discovered some issues with our initial math that have caused some anomalous player facing numbers that we are now addressing in today's store update.

    So what we have decided to do is reduce the amount of Zen needed to purchase anything from the Zen store by 50%. This will allow our players to feel like they have been allowed to participate in a large event style sale. However to offset this 50% reduction we will also be dividing all zen purchased by 10. We are confident our math is correct in this matter and will work out to an equal net. "

    I'm quite sure something to that effect is already all typed out and just ready to go. ;)

    ... Or perhaps first The EP will be posting about how he will have to be pulling the zen from the accounts of the exploiters who have already availed themselves of the promo pricing.
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I wouldn't know. Being Australian and English.

    You guys don't have Internet over there? Wow, what a horrible country ;):D:P
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  • futurepastnowfuturepastnow Member Posts: 3,660 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    They're a microtransaction-based business, they'd be desperate for money no matter how well they're doing.
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