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Theories on the Next Nerf

daqheghdaqhegh Member Posts: 1,490 Arc User
We've had nerfs on XP, EC, DIL, Skill points, marks, pets, and certain ship stats and abilities (i.e. Suliban Cell Ship). All the while we have had systems put in place that require a choice: literal years of grinding or purchasable completion. I'm not interested in theories on how close this game is to being P2W. That's all been beaten into the ground. Instead I'm wondering where the next nerf will be.

--> Crafting has already been nerfed. They introduced new upgrades only 3 months after the new shiny stuff was introduced. But I suppose they could conceivably cut the rewards from crafting and research.

-->DIL was nerfed into the ground (more than once) and I highly suspect it will happen again with Season 9.5 or so. Same with marks.

--> One of the only halfway decent things we have in this game is a plethora of DOff missions that award various crafting materials. I suspect those will be the next things to go. Either the frequency of the mission appearances will be cut, the rewards will be nerfed (lower likelihood of critical success) or both at once.

-->I can also see old weapons taking a direct hit on top of the already massive powercreep issues. If they cut the power of out favorite weapons (like rep gear) we will be forced to use the new shinys to succeed at PVE. The new settings don't leave us far from NEEDING MK XIV as it is. And you're playing in elite mode...well, you better have a T6 and FULL MK XIV Epics or you're a failure in the making.

--> Lastly, can see the cooldown timers (and STF timers) being increased exponentially against player advantage. In some cases this has already happened. An example would be a 1-hour lockout upon successful completion of queued instances rather than 30 minutes. In the more extreme, they might even make all queues into daily events. This is less likely than the former, but it isn't beyond the greed of PWE to try it. Hell, they might just put a 4-hour cooldown on them. I can totally see it.

This game is only considerate of whales, not ordinary free to players or lifers. I'm wondering what everyone else's expectations are for the not-too-distant future.
My Old Blog about things that could and should have been added when I wrote it. Not sure what I want to do with it now. I'll just keep it available now that most of it is outdated.
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  • narrheehawnarrheehaw Member Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    We NEED more whining
    It makes the better half
    :D :P feel all warm and fuzzy inside :P :D
    This, is the goal, of narrheehaw
    It's mission, to destroy new worlds and civilizations
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    And to boldly ruin, what no one has ruined before.
  • firekeeperhufirekeeperhu Member Posts: 416 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    are you out of your mind? don't give them ideas.
    <3 Defiant <3

    RnD and upgrade needs less RNG. Less lottery. Something has to change.
  • thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Don't worry the next Nerf eh Patch is only 7 days away ...
    Patch Notes : Resolved an Issue, where people would accidently experience Fun.
  • daqheghdaqhegh Member Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Don't worry the next Nerf eh Patch is only 7 days away ...

    Seems like every patch has something removed...I am morbidly curious now. I mean, there isn't much left aside from repeated actions against us. I ask honestly, "what's next?"
    My Old Blog about things that could and should have been added when I wrote it. Not sure what I want to do with it now. I'll just keep it available now that most of it is outdated.
  • jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    bonus dil weekend is my guess at the next big nerfing.
  • thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    daqhegh wrote: »
    Seems like every patch has something removed...I am morbidly curious now. I mean, there isn't much left aside from repeated actions against us. I ask honestly, "what's next?"

    - Foundry
    - Contraband
    - Dyson BZ
    - Account Unlocks

    there is still some "Fun" left ... :P
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  • daqheghdaqhegh Member Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    - Foundry
    - Contraband
    - Dyson BZ
    - Account Unlocks

    there is still some "Fun" left ... :P

    Fun in quotation marks. Yes, daily contraband for DIL to grind with. BZ to grind for DIL. Yeah, "fun" is right.
    My Old Blog about things that could and should have been added when I wrote it. Not sure what I want to do with it now. I'll just keep it available now that most of it is outdated.
  • bareelbareel Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Contraband.

    OR

    Crafting material boxes being stockpiled for the next RnD event.
  • mvp333mvp333 Member Posts: 509 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Hopefully the next nerf is to their nerf bat... It's OP.
  • zero2362zero2362 Member Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I was curious about this myself. Im fairly sure every patch since DRs launch as well as DR itself has nerfed at least one thing.

    I expect Marks are going to get hit again right after the mark event. They seem to like nerfing the same thing twice in a row so as it got a nerf this week it will likely happen next week
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  • narrheehawnarrheehaw Member Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Oh why spoil all the fun

    I'm actually enjoying myself

    Now that i can :)
    This, is the goal, of narrheehaw
    It's mission, to destroy new worlds and civilizations
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    And to boldly ruin, what no one has ruined before.
  • ddesjardinsddesjardins Member Posts: 3,056 Media Corps
    edited November 2014
    Contraband was already nerfed. It now has a 20-hour cd. I have not checked this myself, but meh seems par for the course.

    XP, Dilithium have been referred massively.
    EC has nerfed in preparation for the DR nerfs.

    The playerbase is all that's really left to nerf. Wait.. nope. Already nerfed.
  • thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    zero2362 wrote: »

    I expect Marks are going to get hit again right after the mark event. They seem to like nerfing the same thing twice in a row so as it got a nerf this week it will likely happen next week

    - removed Daily Bonus Marks

    ? ... maybe ....
    Patch Notes : Resolved an Issue, where people would accidently experience Fun.
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  • janus1975janus1975 Member Posts: 739 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    To be blunt, Borg Red Alerts are still bugged, queues dead, very few players around... where the remaining players are getting XP from out of the last remaining still-functional, still-rewarding, non-broken content is the least of the devs worries.

    I remember a time in old Drozana when it was a weekend and the place was pumping. There must have been 20 or 30 players around just socializing, some RPing, everyone having a good time. Went out into sector space and the place was alive with lots of players.

    Now they release new Club 47, it should have been packed. Instead, maybe 5 people, everything else an NPC. Why? Because nobody's bothering. Some are still treading water waiting for The Great Rivera Train Wreck to be cleared away. But people aren't going to wait forever Cryptic.

    Tick tock.
  • thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    janus1975 wrote: »
    ... where the remaining players are getting XP from out of the last remaining still-functional, still-rewarding, non-broken content is the least of the devs worries.

    That's too negative ... remember :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ECUtkv2qV8 :P
    Patch Notes : Resolved an Issue, where people would accidently experience Fun.
  • atlmyklatlmykl Member Posts: 305 Arc User1
    edited November 2014
    daqhegh wrote: »
    We've had nerfs on XP, EC, DIL, Skill points, marks, pets, and certain ship stats and abilities (i.e. Suliban Cell Ship). All the while we have had systems put in place that require a choice: literal years of grinding or purchasable completion. I'm not interested in theories on how close this game is to being P2W. That's all been beaten into the ground. Instead I'm wondering where the next nerf will be.
    Never see a shortage of dil, Ec's are still best earned from selling to other players...its is a mmo after all, get involved in the economy and stop worrying what trash vendors for. Pets were flat out broke. Never had a shortage of marks, too many ways to get marks from playing the game...sometimes you actual have to play. The first patrol nerfs was a fix. The second was a nerf. I understand why they did it but it was not handled well.
    daqhegh wrote: »
    --> Crafting has already been nerfed. They introduced new upgrades only 3 months after the new shiny stuff was introduced. But I suppose they could conceivably cut the rewards from crafting and research.
    You do realize the upgrades were made through crafting right? I made a bunch of ec's, thanks for buying.
    daqhegh wrote: »
    -->DIL was nerfed into the ground (more than once) and I highly suspect it will happen again with Season 9.5 or so. Same with marks.
    To be honest I could not tell you what dil awards are for what now because I never have a shortage. I have about 750k waiting to be refined and the only time I actively go after dil is during the dil event once every 3 months. The rest is just from playing. How is that nerfed to the ground?? Your trouble with marks baffles me. 1000+ for all factions, 37k fm and I am not actively trying to get any other than delta and I have 3k delta marks. I might play 1 hr per day, maybe.
    daqhegh wrote: »
    The new settings don't leave us far from NEEDING MK XIV as it is. And you're playing in elite mode...well, you better have a T6 and FULL MK XIV Epics or you're a failure in the making.
    You can do advance with good mk xii and elites do not need epics or t6, have you ever run one? You do need some thoughtfulness in your build like not using dinky universal consoles in a tac console slot.
    daqhegh wrote: »
    --> Lastly, can see the cooldown timers (and STF timers) being increased exponentially against player advantage.
    This game is only considerate of whales, not ordinary free to players or lifers. I'm wondering what everyone else's expectations are for the not-too-distant future.
    Not a whale but I can buy what ever I want from the lockboxes from the exchange. They keep the game up and running and list my future new toys on the exchange too? Thanks whales!
  • thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    atlmykl wrote: »
    I have about 750k waiting to be refined

    You're cute ... sounds like you think that's supposed to be a lot / worth something, within the Upgrade System ...
    Patch Notes : Resolved an Issue, where people would accidently experience Fun.
  • dpsloss88dpsloss88 Member Posts: 765 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    You forgot the nerf on Reputation Bonus Boxes. They do not get the bonus from marks weekends...
  • narrheehawnarrheehaw Member Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I do on the other hand wonder if they

    Will nerf the elite upgrade parts drop

    :P :DRate, this would be a pity ... :D :P
    This, is the goal, of narrheehaw
    It's mission, to destroy new worlds and civilizations
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    And to boldly ruin, what no one has ruined before.
  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,165 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    PVE Missions...

    If you don't buy enough Zen, the rep boxes start taking marks away from you.

    Tovan Khev...

    All new Romulan characters will have 10 Tovan Khev's waiting for them.
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    Thank you for the Typhoon!
  • janus1975janus1975 Member Posts: 739 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    thay8472 wrote: »
    PVE Missions...

    If you don't buy enough Zen, the rep boxes start taking marks away from you.

    Tovan Khev...

    All new Romulan characters will have 10 Tovan Khev's waiting for them.

    I can see that becoming the next bug... you do a Romulan away mission and you have 4 Tovans and no ability to fix anything else. Tovan will beam down with no weapons, shields, or armor. You will be unable to do anything as a result.

    It will then take Cryptic three weeks before it finally becomes a "Known Issue"... and a few more weeks after that it will be "fixed"... by only beaming down 3 of the 4 cannon fodder Tovans.

    Once that happens, White Knights will then whine about how "Players feel entitled" to away teams, and how it's obviously a new "Difficulty Level", and how that makes it all more "challenging" and that players should just "get over it and play for all the fun it gives!"
  • prierinprierin Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I am convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that the higher ups in Cryptic want to wipe their hands clean of STO. It’s dated, it struggles of compete with the newer, “shiny” (a hint for those who know) sub games about to hit the market. Let’s face facts: a ton of players would rather pay a reasonable sub for a decent, balanced and well maintained game than struggle through a F2P model that is choppy at best. Perhaps Cryptic is contractually bound, meaning they can’t just walk away from it. A loophole would be if the game is no longer viable from a company standpoint – then the bigwigs above them, possibly even PWE, can say “That’s it. Pull the plug” freeing Cryptic to focus on other prettier, younger games.

    What other logical answer could there be for the tsunami of ludicrous nerfs, the seemingly purposeful disregard or disinterest in the well-reported bugs that still plague the game and the blasé attitude with which Cryptic responds to tickets, if they respond at all? (I am still waiting for a single response on MULTIPLE tickets… I gave up in the end)

    I have been a Star Trek fan since the 70’s. I have seen every episode, every movie and read most books. I love the universe in which ST is set. When this game first came out I bought it of the shelf and dove in. back then we had two choices: Fed or Klink. Zachary Quinto played the EMH in the tutorial missions LONG before he was Spock in the JJ release. If you wanted to play a Romulan you had to make one as an Alien and RP it within the two factions. The poor Klingons were forced to gain xp via PVP missions… dear God how that’s changed.

    So yes, I would be sad to see this game go. Just as I would be sad to watch my grandmother slowly die of a debilitating disease on her hospital bed, kept alive by feeding tubes and machines. In both cases I’d think it would be better for everyone if they just pulled the plug.

    STO has a built-in player base that will follow it regardless of who takes it over. If Cryptic lets go perhaps someone else will pick it up and give it some of the much needed attention it deserves…
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    You will forever be missed and never forgotten.
  • bunansabunansa Member Posts: 928 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    It'll be something in the winter event. Cant make it too enjoyable.
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  • js26568js26568 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I couldn't be bothered to read the thread.

    Did anyone say "Make Z-Store Ship purchases per-character instead of per-account" yet?

    It's the next natural stage after killing off any desire to run Alts.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Free Tibet!
  • thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    js26568 wrote: »
    Did anyone say "Make Z-Store Ship purchases per-character instead of per-account" yet?

    Sorry you're too late ... :O
    Patch Notes : Resolved an Issue, where people would accidently experience Fun.
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    bunansa wrote: »
    It'll be something in the winter event. Cant make it too enjoyable.

    They already nerfed the winter event last year by adding the 3 most annoying voices in the universe on a constant loop, 24/7.
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  • thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    shpoks wrote: »
    They already nerfed the winter event last year by adding the 3 most annoying voices in the universe on a constant loop, 24/7.

    Neelix & 7of9 VO incoming :P ...
    Patch Notes : Resolved an Issue, where people would accidently experience Fun.
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