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Today's Patch Notes....scryer...what the hell...

bwemobwemo Member Posts: 257 Arc User
edited November 2014 in PvP Gameplay
5 min break from dragon age so I can hysterically laugh cuz cryptic so good at game.

Scryer Intel Science Vessel:
This starship now has a secondary deflector slot.
Players who own the Scryer may purchase a generic secondary deflector from the Dilithium Store in the special tab.
This starship now has the Sensor Analysis ability.


Pretty accurate description of the whole scryer situation


annnnd back to dragon age.
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  • brle1950brle1950 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    It needs more hull, Cryptic do something!!
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    bwemo wrote: »
    5 min break from dragon age so I can hysterically laugh cuz cryptic so good at game.

    Scryer Intel Science Vessel:
    This starship now has a secondary deflector slot.
    Players who own the Scryer may purchase a generic secondary deflector from the Dilithium Store in the special tab.
    This starship now has the Sensor Analysis ability.


    Pretty accurate description of the whole scryer situation


    annnnd back to dragon age.

    This once a day makes everything playable: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SyWDt7IWiE
  • therealmttherealmt Member Posts: 428 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Ugh. If they at least added another front weapon slot i would be able to do a STF properly and kill a borg cube in a decent amount of time :/
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • bwemobwemo Member Posts: 257 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    therealmt wrote: »
    Ugh. If they at least added another front weapon slot i would be able to do a STF properly and kill a borg cube in a decent amount of time :/

    Fleet Scryer Additions Incoming:

    +3rd deflector with +100 Prtg (+350 at mk 14 epic)
    5/3 Weapons loadout
    6 Commander Universal/Intel
    +25,000 Hull @ 0 SI
    +14,000 Shields per facing @ 0 Shield systems

    Then MT might be good at the game again :P
  • riyottsariyottsa Member Posts: 249 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Those pet animations. GAEM IS SAVED
    http://i.imgur.com/qcxh3x8.jpg
    http://i.imgur.com/o3dusAq.gif
    http://i.imgur.com/3H7L9ZF.png
    http://i.imgur.com/KscfLHc.gif
  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    bwemo wrote: »
    5 min break from dragon age so I can hysterically laugh cuz cryptic so good at game.

    Scryer Intel Science Vessel:
    This starship now has a secondary deflector slot.
    Players who own the Scryer may purchase a generic secondary deflector from the Dilithium Store in the special tab.
    This starship now has the Sensor Analysis ability.


    Pretty accurate description of the whole scryer situation


    annnnd back to dragon age.

    ya i thought that was pretty funny. with SA, they pretty solidly locked it in that the scryer is the last sci ship you will ever need, no others will have an intel COM and LT hybrid by the looks of it.

    a couple other LONG overdue and note worthy changes in this patch too. and argala can be teamed now
    gateway links-->Norvo Tigan, Telis Latto Ruwon, Sochie Heim, Solana Soleus
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Rule #1 of Cryptic Club - When something doesn't sell as much as we want to (probably because market is saturated - Ar'kif or because it's ugly as sin - Scryer or because it's junk - Galaxy-X), slap it with the first, already made for sth. else, thing that comes to your hand a.k.a. hangar bay, secondary deflector, cloaking device, etc.

    I don't know whearher I should laugh or facepalm at they way they're conducting business.
    >Cryptic at work<
    HQroeLu.jpg
  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    im shocked it didn't also get a hanger, i mean, what the hell is that optional... tail section supposed to be for, if not an optional hanger? lol
    gateway links-->Norvo Tigan, Telis Latto Ruwon, Sochie Heim, Solana Soleus
  • kitsunesnoutkitsunesnout Member Posts: 1,210 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    At least the vessel has what a science vessel ought to! Otherwise it was a faux science vessel with the intel gimmicks. Funny they'd time this just when they are about to release the T6 intrepid. Nonetheless I'll never fly that can opener/baby chewtoy looking thing ever. I'll happily stick to aiming for the intrepid.
  • brle1950brle1950 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    dontdrunkimshoot wrote: »
    im shocked it didn't also get a hanger, i mean, what the hell is that optional... tail section supposed to be for, if not an optional hanger? lol


    I'm sure it will get the hangar if sales don't go up :D
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • dauntless89dauntless89 Member Posts: 178 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I was also shocked about this "surprise". I do not own the scryer but I had a plan to get it for its useful starship trait. To me the ship was Intelligence orientated with the very special Expose abilities - but I have 0 interest in it. The drawback was the loss of Sensor Analysis and (since its t6) a 2nd deflector.

    Now the whole science ship system seems broken, unless they plan to add 2nd deflector to nearly all other ships and expose abilities to t6 intrepid/dauntless.

    A ship being given access to: Sensor Analysis, Sub targeting, 2nd deflector, Expose abilities and Cloak (which is useless in pve but still addition...not a console) is a quite a lot of "gifts".

    If only the scryer had the intrepid look lol...jokes aside this new christmass tree will be the top science ship in STO until something like that with access to 5 special abilities is been delivered. :(
  • the4monkeysthe4monkeys Member Posts: 172 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    More Q Q less PEW PEW !!!!

    My hax sci abilities means I can be better than MT and his hardcore coding hax tool!


    More space bar shockwaves!!!!! Even better space bar sub nuc :)
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • bwemobwemo Member Posts: 257 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    the4monkeys wrote: »
    More Q Q less PEW PEW !!!!

    My hax sci abilities means I can be better than MT and his hardcore coding hax tool!


    More space bar shockwaves!!!!! Even better space bar sub nuc :)

    Bro my new bot will tear you apart
  • the4monkeysthe4monkeys Member Posts: 172 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    bwemo wrote: »
    Bro my new bot will tear you apart

    is that where your macro's are stored on your space bar for ground?
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • bwemobwemo Member Posts: 257 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    the4monkeys wrote: »
    is that where your macro's are stored on your space bar for ground?

    If you don't auto spacebar hax on ground, how can you keep the now 2 month old god mode exploit up 100% of the time?!?! I need a scryer level bull**** op stuff for the ground or I'm doomed. Gaem so hard.

    Also yes give the scryer a hanger bay cuz at this point, why the hell not. We're apparently throwing -all- the restrictions placed on intel/sci vessels to keep them balanced™ out the window. Gimme some yellowstones already.
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  • brle1950brle1950 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    bwemo wrote: »
    If you don't auto spacebar hax on ground, how can you keep the now 2 month old god mode exploit up 100% of the time?!?! I need a scryer level bull**** op stuff for the ground or I'm doomed. Gaem so hard.

    Also yes give the scryer a hanger bay cuz at this point, why the hell not. We're apparently throwing -all- the restrictions placed on intel/sci vessels to keep them balanced™ out the window. Gimme some yellowstones already.


    You forget one thing, built in Yellowstones so you can use more pets.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • omgrandalthoromgrandalthor Member Posts: 364 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Just what everyone needs it will now be STO aka Scryer Online
  • majortiraomegamajortiraomega Member Posts: 2,214 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Cryptic wrote:
    Resolved an issue that caused the Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit and Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit [T5-U] to have less Shield Hit Points than intended.

    Well well, look what Cryptic finally Stealth buffed up to a 0.99 shield mod after all this time?
    --->Ground PvP Concerns Directory 4.0
    --->Ground Combat General Bugs Directory
    Real join date: March 2012 / PvP Veteran since May 2012 (Ground and Space)
  • brle1950brle1950 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    majortiraomega wrote: »
    Well well, look what Cryptic finally Stealth buffed up to a 0.99 shield mod after all this time?

    OP!! pls either nerf to previous or buff Scryer
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • scurry5scurry5 Member Posts: 1,554 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Oh no.....

    I don't know whether to be happy or sad. I already have the Scryer, so it's nice to have a buff.....but I'll always feel dirty about running it now.

    I didn't mind the look, since once I filled in the donut, it just looked like a natural evolution of the Luna. And while I didn't like that it came without Sensor Analysis, it was still very capable without it.

    Now it's got both. And a secondary deflector slot besides. Unless you really need an LtComm Tac slot for some reason, you'll never need another science vessel.

    #firstworldproblems
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I've come to respect the Scryer as a capable Science Vessel.

    But now it's getting a Secondary Deflector, Sensor Analysis on top of the very heavy Intel BOFF seating? Really? LOL!

    The Sensor Analysis addition though is a wash. It offsets the very broken abilities that kick off from "Gather Intel" stacking. So at least Sensor Analysis works, unlike Gather Intel which is broken to hell and back.

    The only thing the Scryer is missing is... I'm scared to say it...





    A hangar.
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  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Not even sure where to start on that one.

    Sci domination indeed.

    Honestly though I have traded my scryer in for one of these recently.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Dignity and an empty sack is worth the sack.
  • riyottsariyottsa Member Posts: 249 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    antoniosalieri wrote: »
    Not even sure where to start on that one.

    Sci domination indeed.

    Honestly though I have traded my scryer in for one of these recently.

    No. Bad, bad! You should be playing ArcheAge.
    http://i.imgur.com/qcxh3x8.jpg
    http://i.imgur.com/o3dusAq.gif
    http://i.imgur.com/3H7L9ZF.png
    http://i.imgur.com/KscfLHc.gif
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    antoniosalieri wrote: »
    Not even sure where to start on that one.

    Sci domination indeed.

    Honestly though I have traded my scryer in for one of these recently.

    It's kind of funny looking at how long ago it's actually been since I played...even that was just a free return period sort of thing.

    Last Kill Mail I was on...

    2010.07.24 08:44

    Victim: Lord Meriak
    Corp: Amarrian Retribution
    Alliance: NONE
    Faction: Amarr Empire
    Destroyed: Dominix
    System: Tannakan
    Security: 0.2
    Damage Taken: 21509

    Involved parties:

    Name: Vordak Kallager
    Security: -0.8
    Corp: Musashi X
    Alliance: NONE
    Faction: Minmatar Republic
    Ship: Rupture
    Weapon: Rupture
    Damage Done: 6732

    Name: Captain Vaguy
    Security: -4.1
    Corp: Royal Order of Security Specialists
    Alliance: NONE
    Faction: Minmatar Republic
    Ship: Hurricane
    Weapon: Warrior II
    Damage Done: 2266

    Name: A Field100
    Security: -0.9
    Corp: Royal Order of Security Specialists
    Alliance: NONE
    Faction: Minmatar Republic
    Ship: Drake
    Weapon: Hobgoblin II
    Damage Done: 1909

    Name: Zostrallis
    Security: 5.0
    Corp: Ice Fire Warriors
    Alliance: NONE
    Faction: Minmatar Republic
    Ship: Hound
    Weapon: Bane Javelin Torpedo
    Damage Done: 1843

    Name: Angus Thermopyl
    Security: -0.5
    Corp: Hoplite Brigade
    Alliance: NONE
    Faction: Minmatar Republic
    Ship: Jaguar
    Weapon: 200mm AutoCannon II
    Damage Done: 1521

    Name: Dagren Darius (laid the final blow)
    Security: -2.7
    Corp: Ice Fire Warriors
    Alliance: NONE
    Faction: Minmatar Republic
    Ship: Myrmidon
    Weapon: Hammerhead II
    Damage Done: 1387

    Name: 4th Dominion
    Security: 0.2
    Corp: Tribal Core
    Alliance: NONE
    Faction: Minmatar Republic
    Ship: Drake
    Weapon: Terror Rage Assault Missile
    Damage Done: 1194

    Name: Nano J
    Security: -3.8
    Corp: Ice Fire Warriors
    Alliance: NONE
    Faction: Minmatar Republic
    Ship: Drake
    Weapon: Warrior II
    Damage Done: 1028

    Name: rightuos
    Security: -3.6
    Corp: Hoplite Brigade
    Alliance: NONE
    Faction: Minmatar Republic
    Ship: Cyclone
    Weapon: Cyclone
    Damage Done: 981

    Name: Marz Ghola
    Security: -2.3
    Corp: Royal Order of Security Specialists
    Alliance: NONE
    Faction: Minmatar Republic
    Ship: Hound
    Weapon: Parallel Weapon Navigation Transmitter
    Damage Done: 697

    Name: whitehall 1212
    Security: -2.0
    Corp: Royal Order of Security Specialists
    Alliance: NONE
    Faction: Minmatar Republic
    Ship: Hurricane
    Weapon: Warrior II
    Damage Done: 610

    Name: Silence iKillYouu
    Security: -3.4
    Corp: Ice Fire Warriors
    Alliance: NONE
    Faction: Minmatar Republic
    Ship: Harbinger
    Weapon: Warp Scrambler II
    Damage Done: 485

    Name: Kaydel
    Security: 1.8
    Corp: Royal Order of Security Specialists
    Alliance: NONE
    Faction: Minmatar Republic
    Ship: Hurricane
    Weapon: Hurricane
    Damage Done: 381

    Name: duct tayp
    Security: -2.5
    Corp: Hoplite Brigade
    Alliance: NONE
    Faction: Minmatar Republic
    Ship: Dramiel
    Weapon: Dramiel
    Damage Done: 343

    Name: Kara Mon
    Security: 2.3
    Corp: CTRL-Q
    Alliance: NONE
    Faction: Minmatar Republic
    Ship: Imperial Navy Slicer
    Weapon: Imperial Navy Slicer
    Damage Done: 107

    Name: Curtiss Hawk
    Security: 4.4
    Corp: Fat Ugly Guys Security
    Alliance: NONE
    Faction: Minmatar Republic
    Ship: Scimitar
    Weapon: Assault Missile Launcher II
    Damage Done: 25

    Name: Jim Raynot
    Security: -0.8
    Corp: Mortis Angelus
    Alliance: NONE
    Faction: Minmatar Republic
    Ship: Purifier
    Weapon: 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher
    Damage Done: 0

    Name: Ya Nor
    Security: -3.4
    Corp: CTRL-Q
    Alliance: NONE
    Faction: Minmatar Republic
    Ship: Hound
    Weapon: Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
    Damage Done: 0

    Name: Deryk Blacke
    Security: 1.9
    Corp: VirDan Industries
    Alliance: NONE
    Faction: Minmatar Republic
    Ship: Caracal
    Weapon: Parallel Weapon Navigation Transmitter
    Damage Done: 0


    Destroyed items:

    Large Energy Transfer Array II, Qty: 2
    Large Remote Armor Repair System II
    Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I
    Alumel Magnetometric ECCM Sensor Array I
    Warp Disruptor II
    Cap Booster 800, Qty: 3
    Damage Control II
    Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
    Warrior II, Qty: 5 (Drone Bay)
    Hammerhead II, Qty: 13 (Drone Bay)
    Ogre II, Qty: 2 (Drone Bay)

    Dropped items:

    Heavy Energy Neutralizer II
    Large Remote Armor Repair System II, Qty: 2
    Targeting Range Dampening
    X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
    Remote Sensor Dampener II
    Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
    1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
    Energized Reactive Membrane II
    Large Armor Repairer II
    Cap Booster 800, Qty: 18 (Cargo)
    Ogre II, Qty: 2 (Drone Bay)
    Warrior II, Qty: 5 (Drone Bay)

    23 minutes later when I lost the ship I was flying, lol...

    2010.07.24 09:07:00

    Victim: Deryk Blacke
    Corp: VirDan Industries
    Alliance: Unknown
    Faction: Minmatar Republic
    Destroyed: Caracal
    System: Sosala
    Security: 0.4
    Damage Taken: 8517

    Involved parties:

    Name: Morbidifybeast (laid the final blow)
    Security: -2.5
    Corp: Punishing Squad
    Alliance: NONE
    Faction: NONE
    Ship: Hurricane
    Weapon: 425mm AutoCannon II
    Damage Done: 5991

    Name: ViVcHaRoL
    Security: -3.4
    Corp: Punishing Squad
    Alliance: NONE
    Faction: NONE
    Ship: Sabre
    Weapon: Sabre
    Damage Done: 2526

    Destroyed items:

    Bloodclaw Light Missile, Qty: 168
    SV-2000 Assault Missile Bay, Qty: 3
    Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners
    Bloodclaw Light Missile, Qty: 820 (Cargo)
    Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I, Qty: 2
    Ballistic Control System II, Qty: 2
    Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
    Parallel Weapon Navigation Transmitter

    Dropped items:

    Bloodclaw Light Missile, Qty: 112
    Invulnerability Field II
    SV-2000 Assault Missile Bay, Qty: 2
    Alumel-Wired I Sensor Augmentation
    Scan Resolution
    Large Shield Extender II

    Morbidifybeast didn't get popped for fourteen days...

    2010.08.07 19:55

    Victim: Morbidifybeast
    Corp: Punishing Squad
    Alliance: Unknown
    Faction: NONE
    Destroyed: Hurricane
    System: Sechmaren
    Security: 0.4
    Damage Taken: 22052

    Involved parties:

    Name: Cleric22 (laid the final blow)
    Security: -10.0
    Corp: PILSGESCHWADER
    Alliance: None
    Faction: NONE
    Ship: Absolution
    Weapon: Heavy Pulse Laser II
    Damage Done: 13064

    Name: kjos
    Security: -8.5
    Corp: PILSGESCHWADER
    Alliance: None
    Faction: NONE
    Ship: Hurricane
    Weapon: Hurricane
    Damage Done: 6530

    Name: Mrwissan
    Security: -1.4
    Corp: Knights of Kador
    Alliance: None
    Faction: NONE
    Ship: Harbinger
    Weapon: Heavy Modal Pulse Laser I
    Damage Done: 2458


    Destroyed items:

    425mm AutoCannon II
    Medium Energy Neutralizer II, Qty: 2
    Republic Fleet Fusion M, Qty: 240
    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    Warp Disruptor II
    Gyrostabilizer II, Qty: 2
    Republic Fleet EMP M, Qty: 1000 (Cargo)
    Barrage M, Qty: 1777 (Cargo)
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I, Qty: 3
    Hornet EC-300 (Drone Bay)

    Dropped items:

    Republic Fleet Fusion M, Qty: 480
    425mm AutoCannon II, Qty: 5
    Large Shield Extender II
    Invulnerability Field II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Damage Control II
    Tracking Enhancer II, Qty: 2
    Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M, Qty: 1000 (Cargo)
    Republic Fleet Fusion M, Qty: 178 (Cargo)
    Hornet EC-300, Qty: 5 (Drone Bay)

    ViVcHaRoL didn't get popped for sixteen days...

    2010.08.09 22:09

    Victim: ViVcHaRoL
    Corp: Punishing Squad
    Alliance: Unknown
    Faction: NONE
    Destroyed: Sabre
    System: 9KOE-A
    Security: 0.0
    Damage Taken: 4775

    Involved parties:

    Name: GENGIS KAN (laid the final blow)
    Security: 3.4
    Corp: The Legion of Spoon
    Alliance: Curatores Veritatis Alliance
    Faction: NONE
    Ship: Vagabond
    Weapon: Dual 180mm AutoCannon II
    Damage Done: 4775


    Destroyed items:

    Republic Fleet Fusion S, Qty: 261
    125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Qty: 5
    Interdiction Sphere Launcher I
    Medium Shield Extender II, Qty: 2
    Power Diagnostic System II
    Damage Control II
    Republic Fleet EMP S, Qty: 2299 (Cargo)
    Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S, Qty: 17 (Cargo)
    Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Qty: 2 (Cargo)
    Armor Explosive Hardener II, Qty: 2 (Cargo)
    Proteus Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer (Cargo)
    Republic Fleet Fusion S, Qty: 3 (Cargo)
    Warp Disrupt Probe, Qty: 20 (Cargo)
    Barrage S, Qty: 1499 (Cargo)
    Proteus Offensive - Dissonic Encoding Platform (Cargo)
    Armor EM Hardener II (Cargo)
    Small Core Defence Field Extender I, Qty: 2

    Dropped items:

    Warp Disrupt Probe, Qty: 10
    125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Qty: 2
    Republic Fleet Fusion S, Qty: 348
    J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
    Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
    Heavy Neutron Blaster II (Cargo)
    Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II (Cargo)
    Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier (Cargo)
    Nanite Repair Paste, Qty: 64 (Cargo)
    Covert Ops Cloaking Device II (Cargo)
    Armor EM Hardener II (Cargo)

    Yes, I'm posting kill mails for a reason...to show a bit of the difference between EVE and STO.
  • wildweasalwildweasal Member Posts: 1,053 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    majortiraomega wrote: »
    Well well, look what Cryptic finally Stealth buffed up to a 0.99 shield mod after all this time?

    i saw that one coming a mile away
    3ondby_zpsikszslyx.jpg
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    wildweasal wrote: »
    i saw that one coming a mile away

    Cryptic couldn't see it from 20 inches away...that's why it took so long.
  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    riyottsa wrote: »
    No. Bad, bad! You should be playing ArcheAge.

    I tried I really did... couldn't get into it after the first 10 levels. lol

    I will have to sit down one afternoon and give it another few hours. You guys are having fun can't be that bad. :)

    Eve has improved a bunch of stuff and are adding some cool stuff in dec though. You guys should check it out.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Dignity and an empty sack is worth the sack.
  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    virusdancer wrote: »
    Yes, I'm posting kill mails for a reason...to show a bit of the difference between EVE and STO.

    lol ya your point is valid no doubt. ;)

    Just depends how you wanna play eve though. Ya you will loose a ship here and there. Really though I found I only lost what I was willing to risk mostly.

    Granted I never lost anything large and expensive which I can imagine would get annoying... My huricannes and such though I never took them raiding or anything. I have been out a long time myself... I haven't touched my old toon honestly. Started a new one when I got back and been running around in a destroyer... slotted a salvage unit today and went and grabbed some stuffs. lol Think over the next few days I'm going to build a dedicated salvage grabber with some tractors and go pilfer some stuff and run away... cause I feel like rolling that way for a bit. lol

    Your right though Virus the PvP isn't the casual variety.... Still if you want to play it like we have been playing trek with 99% pve and a few pvp encounters that are worth sticking around for. Its a pretty good replacment. I bet most of the STO pve kids would find Hisec a lot more fun then STO.

    EDIT... Just a note as well.. a Destroyer with basic skills takes 3 or 4 days to train train up to fly, running one PvE mission and cleaning up the wrecks with my salvager I easily hauled in enough to buy a destroyer and outfit it with some standards cheapo guns and stuff. Early in the game like that before you really go spending tons of stuff on implants and stuff deaths aren't all that expensive really.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Dignity and an empty sack is worth the sack.
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