So...new T6 intrepid have that (less shield and console from their ft5u counterpart). I dont mind 1 console less for plain T6 because it have 1 more boff ability plus starship trait. Plus there will be fleet T6 soon.
New Tier 6 Intrepid has the same stats (except Boff stations) as an upgraded Tier 5 C-Store Intrepid. Same 36k hull at level 60, same 1.3 mod, even same console slots (2 tac, 3 eng, 5 sci), same turn, ...
Upgraded Fleet Intrepid has 39,6k hull at level 60, 1.43 shield mod and one more tac console slot over those two.
As the starship trait isn't locked to a specific ship (only available from leveling a ship), I can't really count it as a stat bonus.
So in the end, you have a new Tier 6 Intrepid that lacks in stats but gains a 13th Boff ability slot and Intel capability. I just find that a waste, having so many ships that are so much alike. It's a mess (and there's no doubt a Tier 6 Fleet Intrepid coming that will match the general stats of the FT5-U one). I really hate that mess and I can see plenty new players being at the very least confused. Not sure how that helps the game.
So you realize this is a f2p game, this transactions bring them money, and T6 vesta is worth of buying.
Plus in f2p game everything becomes obsolete sometimes even ships...
I think 90% of the Vesta users are willing to buy T6 Vesta with intel boff seat and starship trait and the new skin, but problem is how much zen it will cost. I own 3x bundle (havent upgraded into t5u) but i think fair price would be 1000-1500 zen if we own a pack.
their bundle may include 3pack + 1(3) upgrade token plus T6 vesta = 5000 (1000 -1500 new ship for 3x pack users)
I do realise Fleet Tier 6 is on the way, probably in the next Fleet holding, but I hope it will take some time at least. Otherwise we'll be in Tier 7 ships by next June (I say we, but seriously, that could really tick me off STO at last) and Tier 8 before the end of 2015.
Of course they need money from selling ships, but selling too much of what anyone and everyone is calling for would be their undoing. What would people do in a Tier 8 ship? Solo all elite content while also playing another game. And you can't just make all harder because then the less spending (but still spending) will fall behind and become unable to play. That would further erode the population.
I myself like the Vesta, I was calling for them to add it to the game and bought the pack as promised the first day I could (was either the day of release or the one after that). But seriously, as it is, the Vesta's one of the best, if not THE best science ship there is. Making a proper upgrade (aka Tier 6 Fleet level one - or rather three, again) really shouldn't come anytime soon, otherwise there'd be absolutely no point for any other sci ship.
And making a diluted Tier 6 version that trades the 'Fleet level benefits' (hull, shields, console) for a 13th Boff ability slot and intel capability would, I find, be another misstep in the direction of the big ship mess I hate they created with the Tier 6 Intrepid.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
I myself like the Vesta, I was calling for them to add it to the game and bought the pack as promised the first day I could (was either the day of release or the one after that). But seriously, as it is, the Vesta's one of the best, if not THE best science ship there is. Making a proper upgrade (aka Tier 6 Fleet level one - or rather three, again) really shouldn't come anytime soon, otherwise there'd be absolutely no point for any other sci ship.
And making a diluted Tier 6 version that trades the 'Fleet level benefits' (hull, shields, console) for a 13th Boff ability slot and intel capability would, I find, be another misstep in the direction of the big ship mess I hate they created with the Tier 6 Intrepid.
Well thats Cryptic. They said no new levels no t6 ships and now we have it all plus intel ships. They dont care about t5u ships they made it to compete with actual content. Plus they created T6 intrepid and that will not stop. So new T6 versions of t5 ships will come eventually. I just need T6 vesta with new awesome skin like pathfinders and guardians.Cryptic care only for money because it is f2p. Soon T5 will not bring that much money because they will be outdated so they need new products to sell. (T5 will be only skin unlocks eventually)
Well, they've been planning new levels and Admiral or higher ranks for years (I believe DStahl did mention that in some of the Ask Cryptic posts). Back in the day, we were however supposed to keep the Tier 5 ships only command more of them (like Boffs in a ground away team). They would be 'like' commanded by our Boffs that we'd promote captains.
So you're wrong on the level progression, Tier 6 ships, though, are a newer idea. Not sure when those were first announced, hinted at.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
You (who call for a Tier 6 Vesta) do realise the current Tier 5 ones are Fleet level?
That means a regular Tier 6 Vesta would have lower shields, hull and one console less than a current upgraded Vesta.
The only way for them to release better Vestas would be to make them basically Tier 6 Fleet. And that'd mean they'd be ahead of everything except the Benthan and Hazari ships. I'm not sure they'd want to speed up the power creep that much. Of course unless they're desperate, then they're start throwing Fleet Tier 6 ships at us soon.
Yes and no on this. Shield modifier is def on the fleet level side of things but the hull is silly for its size,
I honestly don't know why we compromise so many rules/bend them for other ships but when it comes to science vessels its like meh....
we have cruisers with 5 forward weapons, why not make a sci with 4 forward and just cut the back down to 2?
Also the vesta should be able to to launch way more than just 1 wing, the ship held what? 27 runabouts alone? er something silly like that, it was truly multi mission, however ingame I still don't feel its the universal ship it should be. (yea there the balance argument, but I consider that argument took a walk with Elvis and left the building when Geko took over)
Aux turrets wouldn't be a bad idea either.
Proper interior would be nice
More universal seating to match the MULTI PURPOSE in the title...
Tons of things they could do for the ship to justify a t6 + version, plus the damn thing sold well, itd be silly to not revisit it soon.
I don't get why peope are always so worried about the Vesta hull - I never noticed any weaknesses with that ship. I like the Vesta, but I think it is superior to all the other science vessels (at least pre-Tier 6 ships), and I don't like that, because while I like flying Vesta, I don't want to fly it on every Science character I make.
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Well why I know there will be T6 Vesta because all new Sci T6 ships have secondary deflector slot (Intrepid, Dauntless) so they will eventualy build T6 sci ships like Nebula, Nova, Luna, Vesta...
Secondary deflectors, 1 more boff ability, intel boff skills, starship trait - this is not meaningless at all and i would like to see it all on new vesta T6.
Sure, the Vesta has one on the lowest hulls (and slightly lower shield mod) on a Fleet level ship. But that is to compensate for a) rather good turn rate (as bunansa mentions the hull in comparison with the size of the ship, let's see it cut both ways), b) a hangar bay, c) Aux DHCs.
And frankly, having 2 universal boff stations on a ship one of which is a Lt. Comm. is way more universals most ships can ever dream of.
Also, the Vesta consoles were actually quite useful even prior to DR, at least compared to almost any 'activateable powers'. I suppose their CDs were also reduced to two minutes now?
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Sure, the Vesta has one on the lowest hulls (and slightly lower shield mod) on a Fleet level ship. But that is to compensate for a) rather good turn rate (as bunansa mentions the hull in comparison with the size of the ship, let's see it cut both ways), b) a hangar bay, c) Aux DHCs.
And frankly, having 2 universal boff stations on a ship one of which is a Lt. Comm. is way more universals most ships can ever dream of.
Also, the Vesta consoles were actually quite useful even prior to DR, at least compared to almost any 'activateable powers'. I suppose their CDs were also reduced to two minutes now?
Yes Vesta have the best 3x console pack out there. I havent tried it on DR because she is in my Hangar till T6 vesta came out.
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Upgraded Fleet Intrepid has 39,6k hull at level 60, 1.43 shield mod and one more tac console slot over those two.
As the starship trait isn't locked to a specific ship (only available from leveling a ship), I can't really count it as a stat bonus.
So in the end, you have a new Tier 6 Intrepid that lacks in stats but gains a 13th Boff ability slot and Intel capability. I just find that a waste, having so many ships that are so much alike. It's a mess (and there's no doubt a Tier 6 Fleet Intrepid coming that will match the general stats of the FT5-U one). I really hate that mess and I can see plenty new players being at the very least confused. Not sure how that helps the game.
I do realise Fleet Tier 6 is on the way, probably in the next Fleet holding, but I hope it will take some time at least. Otherwise we'll be in Tier 7 ships by next June (I say we, but seriously, that could really tick me off STO at last) and Tier 8 before the end of 2015.
Of course they need money from selling ships, but selling too much of what anyone and everyone is calling for would be their undoing. What would people do in a Tier 8 ship? Solo all elite content while also playing another game. And you can't just make all harder because then the less spending (but still spending) will fall behind and become unable to play. That would further erode the population.
I myself like the Vesta, I was calling for them to add it to the game and bought the pack as promised the first day I could (was either the day of release or the one after that). But seriously, as it is, the Vesta's one of the best, if not THE best science ship there is. Making a proper upgrade (aka Tier 6 Fleet level one - or rather three, again) really shouldn't come anytime soon, otherwise there'd be absolutely no point for any other sci ship.
And making a diluted Tier 6 version that trades the 'Fleet level benefits' (hull, shields, console) for a 13th Boff ability slot and intel capability would, I find, be another misstep in the direction of the big ship mess I hate they created with the Tier 6 Intrepid.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
Well thats Cryptic. They said no new levels no t6 ships and now we have it all plus intel ships. They dont care about t5u ships they made it to compete with actual content. Plus they created T6 intrepid and that will not stop. So new T6 versions of t5 ships will come eventually. I just need T6 vesta with new awesome skin like pathfinders and guardians.Cryptic care only for money because it is f2p. Soon T5 will not bring that much money because they will be outdated so they need new products to sell. (T5 will be only skin unlocks eventually)
When did they ever say there would be no new levels, or new T6 ships?
2 months before DR?
Well, they've been planning new levels and Admiral or higher ranks for years (I believe DStahl did mention that in some of the Ask Cryptic posts). Back in the day, we were however supposed to keep the Tier 5 ships only command more of them (like Boffs in a ground away team). They would be 'like' commanded by our Boffs that we'd promote captains.
So you're wrong on the level progression, Tier 6 ships, though, are a newer idea. Not sure when those were first announced, hinted at.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
Yes and no on this. Shield modifier is def on the fleet level side of things but the hull is silly for its size,
I honestly don't know why we compromise so many rules/bend them for other ships but when it comes to science vessels its like meh....
we have cruisers with 5 forward weapons, why not make a sci with 4 forward and just cut the back down to 2?
Also the vesta should be able to to launch way more than just 1 wing, the ship held what? 27 runabouts alone? er something silly like that, it was truly multi mission, however ingame I still don't feel its the universal ship it should be. (yea there the balance argument, but I consider that argument took a walk with Elvis and left the building when Geko took over)
Aux turrets wouldn't be a bad idea either.
Proper interior would be nice
More universal seating to match the MULTI PURPOSE in the title...
Tons of things they could do for the ship to justify a t6 + version, plus the damn thing sold well, itd be silly to not revisit it soon.
Secondary deflectors, 1 more boff ability, intel boff skills, starship trait - this is not meaningless at all and i would like to see it all on new vesta T6.
And frankly, having 2 universal boff stations on a ship one of which is a Lt. Comm. is way more universals most ships can ever dream of.
Also, the Vesta consoles were actually quite useful even prior to DR, at least compared to almost any 'activateable powers'. I suppose their CDs were also reduced to two minutes now?
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
Yes Vesta have the best 3x console pack out there. I havent tried it on DR because she is in my Hangar till T6 vesta came out.