As I read most people in this thread I start wandering if me and my fleetmates play same game that you play. At least 75% of the problem isn't in game, it's in players.
Mk XI/XII aren't enough for PvE content? Bull****. Must have R&D traits? Bull****. All you really need is some idea what you want to obtain with your ship and char, and some knowledge how game works.
It is not the tools we use which make us good, but rather how we employ them.
Plenty of people did just fine in Advanced queues in VR Mk XII gear.
I have to agree with both of these guys. 19 of the 22 pieces of Equipment on my Sovereign are Mk XII items gotten from the various Rep Stores and the Fleet Store. I am having no difficulty doing Advanced queues in a Mk XII ship.
My ship is doing 12-15,000 DPS. I often see ships using the same Rep/Fleet items I am using only doing 5,000-6,000 DPS. The difference is that I spent some time learning about my build and how to use it rather then just blindly running into combat with all weapons on Autofire so I can hit the spacebar once until it dies.
If you are only doing 5,000 DPS with your Mk XII gear I can guarantee that playing the same way with Mk XIV gear means you are only going to be doing 6-6,500 DPS. You are still going to get defeated in Advanced queues. Victory is not about the gear. It is about the build and how the player employs it.
Spending 500,000 Dilithium and 10 million ECs to rush into Mk XIV gear will not fix a low DPSer's problem. But reading any of the hundreds of build threads in the Shipyard section of the forum will explain many ways to fix low DPS problems.
People need to stop looking for this magical "I win" item and just roll up their sleeves and start building the kind of ship that does win. Once you do that you will not care if your gear is Mk XII, XIII, or XIV.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I'm sorry my 18K dps'er with 90k spike is only parsing 3k. With another couple years of practice maybe I can play with the big boys doing Advanced since the old elites were so easy. Oh wait- I never bought fleet or rep gear, maybe thats my problem, eh ?
I am sorry you were not smart enough to realize that you are not the only person reading the thread, and that there could be dozens, or even hundreds, reading it who believe getting Mk XIV gear will solve all their problems. Those are the people I was addressing.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I am sorry you were not smart enough to realize that you are not the only person reading the thread, and that there could be dozens, or even hundreds, reading it who believe getting Mk XIV gear will solve all their problems. Those are the people I was addressing.
Touche'
I misunderstood since both those quoted replies were to MY post.
post will be removed.
Going from all Mk XIIs to Mk XIVs only increased my DPS by ~15%. That's ignoring whatever contribution having an extra console slot (from T5-U) or Specialization points added.
Unless someone was already doing 13k with Mk XIIs, going to Mk XIV isn't going to suddenly make them do 15k.
Going from all Mk XIIs to Mk XIVs only increased my DPS by ~15%. That's ignoring whatever contribution having an extra console slot (from T5-U) or Specialization points added.
Unless someone was already doing 13k with Mk XIIs, going to Mk XIV isn't going to suddenly make them do 15k.
heh, I was doing 18K before DR with mk11's, but as a couple have already pointed out I'm too funking stupid to know how to play I'm just gonna sit out the game an only login to check my mail.
heh, I was doing 18K before DR with mk11's, but as a couple have already pointed out I'm too funking stupid to know how to play I'm just gonna sit out the game an only login to check my mail.
If you were doing 18k, I fail to see how you don't have the DPS to complete Advanced content. (Elite isn't out yet, afaik.)
Going from all Mk XIIs to Mk XIVs only increased my DPS by ~15%. That's ignoring whatever contribution having an extra console slot (from T5-U) or Specialization points added.
Unless someone was already doing 13k with Mk XIIs, going to Mk XIV isn't going to suddenly make them do 15k.
That 15% figure doesn't fit. Maybe if you are just going XII VR to XIV VR then it'd fit, but even then the DPS output is higher than 15% difference. Getting to UR is a huge difference, Epic not so much.
The people who can't build ships now, won't benefit from XIV items at all, mostly because they don't have a clue how to build a ship. Scarily it's not that hard, but does require some common sense and research.
TBH though I wish I hadn't spent the money on DR. Yes I love the Phantom and the Faeht. Are those worth the cost? Nope. Not after the other changes that made the game tedious. At heart I'm a high level gamer, I push the boundaries of skill where I can, currently though it's not about skill it's about boredom. I would love to get into PvP, but there is little to none of that going on, with the exception of the vPvP. However that usually happens outside my playing time due to being the other side of the world compared to most players.
The fun I did have was min/maxing my ships and trying to get the best out of them for DPS runs as well as the social aspect of trying to get the most out of each ship. Now most of that has dried up unless you have the money or a few spare years of time...
Chris Robert's on SC:
"You don't have to do something again and again and again repetitive that doesn't have much challange, that's just a general good gameplay thing."
That 15% figure doesn't fit. Maybe if you are just going XII VR to XIV VR then it'd fit, but even then the DPS output is higher than 15% difference. Getting to UR is a huge difference, Epic not so much.
Yeah, just Mk XII to XIV. I only had two things improve in quality along the way, one RomPlas Array and my BIC.
It's not your DPS, it's just that your team sucked. :P
My brand new alt (first Romulan character, literally 2 days older than DR) was around 18k and she had no issues with ISA. My main had 20k when I was leveling the Guardian's mastery, and he had no issues either. (No, I wasn't carried, I was solidly middle of the pack.)
Going from all Mk XIIs to Mk XIVs only increased my DPS by ~15%. That's ignoring whatever contribution having an extra console slot (from T5-U) or Specialization points added.
Unless someone was already doing 13k with Mk XIIs, going to Mk XIV isn't going to suddenly make them do 15k.
I don't know where you are getting this 15% but that is BS.
Just upgrading my dhc the dps went from 256 at mk 12 to 336 at mk 14 that alone is 30% dps. Upgrading my tac consoles was about another 10% dps plus 1.5% crit chance. After that some of my universal consoles recieved as much as 66% more stats.
I don't know where you are getting this 15% but that is BS.
Just upgrading my dhc the dps went from 256 at mk 12 to 336 at mk 14 that alone is 30% dps. Upgrading my tac consoles was about another 10% dps plus 1.5% crit chance. After that some of my universal consoles recieved as much as 66% more stats.
I go from parsing, sticking it in a spreadsheet, and only accepting the data if I get less than 10% StDev.
I don't remember where I got 15% from, I'll have to go check my spreadsheet and issue a correction if I remembered incorrectly.
I actually believe no cash grab will ever be too big...
Either people's willingness to burn cash is in the insanity category or it's not.
And we know there are plenty of people willing to 1000s of $, to me it seems like all you have to do is create a button for people to click to start draining your credit card.
It will never be the whales sponsoring the game that's going to be the problem.
The only risk as I see it is if they scare away the mainstream of players - the people who are majority of the playing population, so the whales will be alone on the server without being able to queue up
Yeah, lose the base players that the whales like to help and you will lose the whales too.
I don't know where you are getting this 15% but that is BS.
Just upgrading my dhc the dps went from 256 at mk 12 to 336 at mk 14 that alone is 30% dps. Upgrading my tac consoles was about another 10% dps plus 1.5% crit chance. After that some of my universal consoles recieved as much as 66% more stats.
I got 15% by looking at my parsed data, which is as follows:
I don't think ~2 hours every day counts as a casual.
eh... how did you get to this??? Not what I said (most play time is on weekends, as most
folks). In any event, how is it you would define "casual"? Just wondering why such a distinction
carries such importance to you?
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My ship is doing 12-15,000 DPS. I often see ships using the same Rep/Fleet items I am using only doing 5,000-6,000 DPS. The difference is that I spent some time learning about my build and how to use it rather then just blindly running into combat with all weapons on Autofire so I can hit the spacebar once until it dies.
If you are only doing 5,000 DPS with your Mk XII gear I can guarantee that playing the same way with Mk XIV gear means you are only going to be doing 6-6,500 DPS. You are still going to get defeated in Advanced queues. Victory is not about the gear. It is about the build and how the player employs it.
Spending 500,000 Dilithium and 10 million ECs to rush into Mk XIV gear will not fix a low DPSer's problem. But reading any of the hundreds of build threads in the Shipyard section of the forum will explain many ways to fix low DPS problems.
People need to stop looking for this magical "I win" item and just roll up their sleeves and start building the kind of ship that does win. Once you do that you will not care if your gear is Mk XII, XIII, or XIV.
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
Touche'
I misunderstood since both those quoted replies were to MY post.
post will be removed.
have a nice day
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
Eh? I said Advanced, as in post-DR, not Elite.
Going from all Mk XIIs to Mk XIVs only increased my DPS by ~15%. That's ignoring whatever contribution having an extra console slot (from T5-U) or Specialization points added.
Unless someone was already doing 13k with Mk XIIs, going to Mk XIV isn't going to suddenly make them do 15k.
heh, I was doing 18K before DR with mk11's, but as a couple have already pointed out I'm too funking stupid to know how to play I'm just gonna sit out the game an only login to check my mail.
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
If you were doing 18k, I fail to see how you don't have the DPS to complete Advanced content. (Elite isn't out yet, afaik.)
That 15% figure doesn't fit. Maybe if you are just going XII VR to XIV VR then it'd fit, but even then the DPS output is higher than 15% difference. Getting to UR is a huge difference, Epic not so much.
The people who can't build ships now, won't benefit from XIV items at all, mostly because they don't have a clue how to build a ship. Scarily it's not that hard, but does require some common sense and research.
TBH though I wish I hadn't spent the money on DR. Yes I love the Phantom and the Faeht. Are those worth the cost? Nope. Not after the other changes that made the game tedious. At heart I'm a high level gamer, I push the boundaries of skill where I can, currently though it's not about skill it's about boredom. I would love to get into PvP, but there is little to none of that going on, with the exception of the vPvP. However that usually happens outside my playing time due to being the other side of the world compared to most players.
The fun I did have was min/maxing my ships and trying to get the best out of them for DPS runs as well as the social aspect of trying to get the most out of each ship. Now most of that has dried up unless you have the money or a few spare years of time...
"You don't have to do something again and again and again repetitive that doesn't have much challange, that's just a general good gameplay thing."
*shug
Me either
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
Yeah, just Mk XII to XIV. I only had two things improve in quality along the way, one RomPlas Array and my BIC.
It's not your DPS, it's just that your team sucked. :P
My brand new alt (first Romulan character, literally 2 days older than DR) was around 18k and she had no issues with ISA. My main had 20k when I was leveling the Guardian's mastery, and he had no issues either. (No, I wasn't carried, I was solidly middle of the pack.)
I don't know where you are getting this 15% but that is BS.
Just upgrading my dhc the dps went from 256 at mk 12 to 336 at mk 14 that alone is 30% dps. Upgrading my tac consoles was about another 10% dps plus 1.5% crit chance. After that some of my universal consoles recieved as much as 66% more stats.
I go from parsing, sticking it in a spreadsheet, and only accepting the data if I get less than 10% StDev.
I don't remember where I got 15% from, I'll have to go check my spreadsheet and issue a correction if I remembered incorrectly.
Yeah, lose the base players that the whales like to help and you will lose the whales too.
I got 15% by looking at my parsed data, which is as follows:
Pre-DR ISE
Ship / Pets / Net
Mean: 26,306.85 / 6,571.25 / 19,735.60
StDev: 3,231.11 (12.28%) / 1634.97 (24.88%) / 1,773.86 (8.99%)
Mean Time: 134.00s
StDev: 38.63s (28.83%)
Post-DR ISA
Ship / Pets / Net
Mean: 37,687.23 / 14,873.24 / 22,813.99
StDev: 713.92 (1.89%) / 2,508.11 (16.86%) / 1,794.20 (7.86%)
Mean Time: 209.00s
StDev: 38.18 (18.27%)
22,813.99 - 19,735.60 = 3078.39
3078.39 / 19,735.60 = 0.155981576440544 = 15.6%