Furthermore, those concerned with the audible asthetics (and rightly so) of the shotgun, yes your charater will 'cocq' (spelled incorrectly due to the censoring of the forum) the gun with each shot.
Well, if you had only "racked" your pump action shotgun like everyone else who's ever fired one knows, you wouldn't be having this issue with your "cocq".
so whats the highest damage for the normal shot achieved. Since physical damage gets a lot higher damage buffs then energy I guess you can easily put 400-500dmg for a normal shot?
Well it works preetty much like the pulsewave weapons (in themselves based on shotguns) so you can easily hit multiple targets at once with the secondary, get a crit on each, which does indeed add up to a four figure sum in total..
I Upgraded it to Rare MK XIV earlier, and the primary had a DPS of 130, now, I have upgraded it again to Very Rare quality, and it tells me that the new primary fire will now do 197 DPS. Crikey!
Once its done I shall return to Defera to test it out on my unwilling subjects, The Borg.
Dude, do you even alt? Im working off and on on 16.
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I have an idea for what Season 11 should be; Season 11: The Big Bug Fix.
I have not been able to read my bug tickets in over a year, not even the tickets about not being able to see my tickets.
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- The Counter-Command armor gives 30% bonus physical damage.
- There is a Nukara personal shield that gives another 10% bonus physical damage.
- The Biotech Siphon trait heals you for 50% of all outgoing physical damage
It is funny, I mean, in a modern (futuristic) age, everyone uses energy weapons, and forgets about percussive/kinetic/projectile weapons.
Even shields on a ship protect against energy weapons.
If we could strap some 17th century cannons onto our ships, they would also have 100% shield pen
I would LOVE to see this in game!
still would have to get it past the deflector since it was made to stop debris from punching holes in the hull. at warp speeds same things as a projectile round
Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days.
Yeah, the whole no kinetic adaptation thing is dumb when you think about it. Fun from a gameplay standpoint, but nonsensical. Maybe these are the stupid Voyager borg who don't know how to think, only assimilate. Can't assimilate a shotgun slug, so obviously you can't figure out how it works!
It was Worf who build a bullet-proof personal force field out of a (holographic) telegraph and his combadge, but yeah - it exists. Forcefields and shields should all be able to deflect kinetic attacks, it makes absolutely no sense that Borg's weakness are ancient weapons And even if there is no shield, how is shot supposed to penetrate a drones' personal armour? That further ridicules the concept, because we have to assume drones are armoured in styrophone
Force fields and shields are sort of opposites in Star Trek.
Force fields protect users from physical and environmental damage (and can even allow you to walk in space without a suit). But provide no energy resistance generally, in most cases.
Shields generally provide protection from energy attacks and can deflect debris or projectiles at high range. But don't necessarily block physical attacks or protect against environmental hazards very well; they generally do SOME but much less effectively than force fields.
I always figured that this is one of these areas where the Borg ran the math. They aren't omnipotent or fueled by Omega Particles. They have limited resources.
So maybe they ran the numbers and decided that it's not worth having resistance against physical or melee attacks because they wanted to focus on assimilating advanced cultures with energy weapons. If less advanced cultures can kill drones, so what? What's a few million drones? If more advanced cultures learn to use less advanced weapons, so what? What loss is a few million drones?
I always figured that this is one of these areas where the Borg ran the math. They aren't omnipotent or fueled by Omega Particles. They have limited resources.
So maybe they ran the numbers and decided that it's not worth having resistance against physical or melee attacks because they wanted to focus on assimilating advanced cultures with energy weapons. If less advanced cultures can kill drones, so what? What's a few million drones? If more advanced cultures learn to use less advanced weapons, so what? What loss is a few million drones?
It was just a plot device so that worf could rock that Borg on the sovereign's deflector dish with his sweet short blade. How boring would have that scene been if the Borg had high resistance against physical attacks?
Yeah, the whole no kinetic adaptation thing is dumb when you think about it. Fun from a gameplay standpoint, but nonsensical. Maybe these are the stupid Voyager borg who don't know how to think, only assimilate. Can't assimilate a shotgun slug, so obviously you can't figure out how it works!
Well again, how can you "adapt" to being physically hit by something?
Also, If we are talking continuity, the Borg are supposed to be linked into one hive mind. If that is true, then how come at every encounter, (be it from Voyager, DS9 or TNG) the feds have always got between 1-3 shots in before they adapt? Surely they woul have adapted the first time, and not need to adapt once again?
Also Work has used one of his Klingon blades against the borg before, the Borg certainly didn't adapt to having his arm cut off!
- The Counter-Command armor gives 30% bonus physical damage.
- There is a Nukara personal shield that gives another 10% bonus physical damage.
- The Biotech Siphon trait heals you for 50% of all outgoing physical damage
Enjoy
...great, now -this- will get nerfslapped, not the shottie....
Well again, how can you "adapt" to being physically hit by something?
Someone already pointed out, Worf managed it with a combadge. So it's doable, in universe, with existing tech. The techno-pirates (oh wait, they're space vampire-zombies now) should be able to do this!
Someone already pointed out, Worf managed it with a combadge. So it's doable, in universe, with existing tech. The techno-pirates (oh wait, they're space vampire-zombies now) should be able to do this!
Only if they assimilate Worf. As different ones have noted, Borg don't actually adapt to anything. They can't learn.
They only know what they absorb through assimilation.
And if they could learn and had limitless resources, you'd think they'd just manage to equip drones with two personal shield units, each one on a different frequency.
I think it takes painful mental gymnastics to try to make the Borg to be scary again. They aren't even Batman with some endless bag of ever-changing tricks. They are the opposite of Batman.
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Only if they assimilate Worf. As different ones have noted, Borg don't actually adapt to anything. They can't learn.
They only know what they absorb through assimilation.
And if they could learn and had limitless resources, you'd think they'd just manage to equip drones with two personal shield units, each one on a different frequency.
I think it takes painful mental gymnastics to try to make the Borg to be scary again. They aren't even Batman with some endless bag of ever-changing tricks. They are the opposite of Batman.
excpet that the Show contradicts itself numerous times as to their ability to research and learn in their own right
Sometimes they can sometimes they can't, writers whim
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Sometimes they can sometimes they can't, writers whim
They could when introduced in TNG. Back then, their concept was radically different from FC/VOY zombie Borg. They would breed, were able to extrapolate actions, the first Borg drone couldn't even be touched because it would react with superior strength and speed when the security guard attempted to get a hold of it. Nothing of those skills and their whole premise has been kept for the big, mindless Borg reqrite of FC - they even abandoned the hive concept. They mention the word a myriad of times, but they don't seem to know what that means anymore.
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They could when introduced in TNG. Back then, their concept was radically different from FC/VOY zombie Borg. They would breed, were able to extrapolate actions, the first Borg drone couldn't even be touched because it would react with superior strength and speed when the security guard attempted to get a hold of it. Nothing of those skills and their whole premise has been kept for the big, mindless Borg reqrite of FC - they even abandoned the hive concept. They mention the word a myriad of times, but they don't seem to know what that means anymore.
The Borg were still plenty dangerous in First Contact. More so than in the Next Generation television series, actually. And they were no more mindless than the drones on television.
And if I'm not mistaken, it was determined in later canon that the infant that Riker found wasn't a Borg drone, but an infant placed in an "incubator" of sorts until it was old enough to fully assimilate. Probably from a group assimilated before the Enterprise ran into them at J-25.
Other than speculation, it was never firmly established that the Borg reproduced biologically. Later canon supposedly cleared that up.
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Well, if you had only "racked" your pump action shotgun like everyone else who's ever fired one knows, you wouldn't be having this issue with your "cocq".
Well it works preetty much like the pulsewave weapons (in themselves based on shotguns) so you can easily hit multiple targets at once with the secondary, get a crit on each, which does indeed add up to a four figure sum in total..
I Upgraded it to Rare MK XIV earlier, and the primary had a DPS of 130, now, I have upgraded it again to Very Rare quality, and it tells me that the new primary fire will now do 197 DPS. Crikey!
Once its done I shall return to Defera to test it out on my unwilling subjects, The Borg.
I have an idea for what Season 11 should be; Season 11: The Big Bug Fix.
I have not been able to read my bug tickets in over a year, not even the tickets about not being able to see my tickets.
I find the drama of your signature proof of your immaturity, this means you, DR whiners.
You're safe.
Remember when the first TR-116B came out and it was only 20% shield pen or so? Then they changed it to 100% shieldpen and here we are.
So I don't see the shotgun changing in that regard.
While it will surely be an excellent choice for STFs, it's another stomp in the face of the Ground PvP community. So yeah, whatever.
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- The Counter-Command armor gives 30% bonus physical damage.
- There is a Nukara personal shield that gives another 10% bonus physical damage.
- The Biotech Siphon trait heals you for 50% of all outgoing physical damage
Enjoy
MAKES SENSE
still would have to get it past the deflector since it was made to stop debris from punching holes in the hull. at warp speeds same things as a projectile round
What? You mean the game has sound? :eek: I don't think I have heard a peep out of it in months..
This post though just tells me I shouldn't unmute the computer on Defera.
Still waiting to be able to use forum titles
Force fields and shields are sort of opposites in Star Trek.
Force fields protect users from physical and environmental damage (and can even allow you to walk in space without a suit). But provide no energy resistance generally, in most cases.
Shields generally provide protection from energy attacks and can deflect debris or projectiles at high range. But don't necessarily block physical attacks or protect against environmental hazards very well; they generally do SOME but much less effectively than force fields.
if they cant adapt on TR-116B why should they adapt on shotgun ?
So maybe they ran the numbers and decided that it's not worth having resistance against physical or melee attacks because they wanted to focus on assimilating advanced cultures with energy weapons. If less advanced cultures can kill drones, so what? What's a few million drones? If more advanced cultures learn to use less advanced weapons, so what? What loss is a few million drones?
We are Cryp...I mean, the Borg...lower your expectations and prepare to have less fun..your fun will be added to our own... Just couldn't help myself
It was just a plot device so that worf could rock that Borg on the sovereign's deflector dish with his sweet short blade. How boring would have that scene been if the Borg had high resistance against physical attacks?
Pretty much this. Dude, seriously why bring it up?
Well again, how can you "adapt" to being physically hit by something?
Also, If we are talking continuity, the Borg are supposed to be linked into one hive mind. If that is true, then how come at every encounter, (be it from Voyager, DS9 or TNG) the feds have always got between 1-3 shots in before they adapt? Surely they woul have adapted the first time, and not need to adapt once again?
Also Work has used one of his Klingon blades against the borg before, the Borg certainly didn't adapt to having his arm cut off!
...great, now -this- will get nerfslapped, not the shottie....
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Someone already pointed out, Worf managed it with a combadge. So it's doable, in universe, with existing tech. The techno-pirates (oh wait, they're space vampire-zombies now) should be able to do this!
It's called a *shield* and humans have already adapted:
http://www.safariland.com/shields/protech-tactical-body-bunker-ballistic-shield-2436S.html
Guess the borg need to assimilate more of us before they get this little tidbit of information.
Only if they assimilate Worf. As different ones have noted, Borg don't actually adapt to anything. They can't learn.
They only know what they absorb through assimilation.
And if they could learn and had limitless resources, you'd think they'd just manage to equip drones with two personal shield units, each one on a different frequency.
I think it takes painful mental gymnastics to try to make the Borg to be scary again. They aren't even Batman with some endless bag of ever-changing tricks. They are the opposite of Batman.
I like to keep this handy... for close encounters.
Or I will in a couple hours.
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excpet that the Show contradicts itself numerous times as to their ability to research and learn in their own right
Sometimes they can sometimes they can't, writers whim
And as you've clearly not gotten it yourself nor read the thread, it's already useful without even being upgraded. Terrifyingly useful in fact.
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I love the idea of junior designers and engineers scheming to get this awesome stuff in the game under Geko's nose. :P
They could when introduced in TNG. Back then, their concept was radically different from FC/VOY zombie Borg. They would breed, were able to extrapolate actions, the first Borg drone couldn't even be touched because it would react with superior strength and speed when the security guard attempted to get a hold of it. Nothing of those skills and their whole premise has been kept for the big, mindless Borg reqrite of FC - they even abandoned the hive concept. They mention the word a myriad of times, but they don't seem to know what that means anymore.
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The Borg were still plenty dangerous in First Contact. More so than in the Next Generation television series, actually. And they were no more mindless than the drones on television.
And if I'm not mistaken, it was determined in later canon that the infant that Riker found wasn't a Borg drone, but an infant placed in an "incubator" of sorts until it was old enough to fully assimilate. Probably from a group assimilated before the Enterprise ran into them at J-25.
Other than speculation, it was never firmly established that the Borg reproduced biologically. Later canon supposedly cleared that up.