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Can STO retcon Jadzia Dax getting killed off?

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edited November 2014 in The Art of Star Trek Online
I begged the producers not to kill me. They thought I was just being this neurotic little actress hoping to have a part to come back to, but I really meant it. I didn't want to see six great years end that way.
-Terry Farrell

She was one of my favorites and it would be nice to have her in this game, her interest is some what light in returning to show business from what I gather on the wiki, she seems to have an interest in coming back but not the best amount of time to do a full TV show or movie, which is probably about the time constraints of VO recording.

I do have a retcon idea for STO that leaves Ezri Dax alone and co-existing. Since Jadzia was killed in front of the Prophet before it was attacked and blinded it could have done something to preserve her. I don't know, copied her mind and that of Dax and made a new body and symbiote or made a copy from the Dax that died in front of them... Well anyways a fan like me will take the explanation with a wink even if it's kind of bad.

Then STO era comes a long, and it turns out Prophets are a bit bad at telling time so they send Jadzia back a little late, to them it made sense she returned at the moment she was supposed to interact in the time line for the best effect on it.. Jadzia as a bridge officer(Maybe? just existing in STO would be cool enough, I hope I am not asking too much.) And later on it would be pretty cool to try and do a short romantic reunion scene between Jadzia and Worf With Farrel and Dorn doing VOs which should probably be optional to watch because I am not sure if regular gamers who aren't big fans of DS9 would care that much, or that it would be told well, myself I would just care that it was told
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  • fmgtorres1979fmgtorres1979 Member Posts: 1,327 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Actually you are asking too much. Don't get me wrong, I was genuinely angry that she died and I was very fond of the character. But I really don't see this happening.
    However, if that was the idea, since it's science fiction there are many ways she could have been brought back: time travel, clone, alternate reality, transporter buffer pattern, Q, etc, etc....

    I didn't say nexus and a genesis planet, because...you know...
  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Put her in as a hologram. Or better yet, ESH(Emergency Science Hologram)
  • janus1975janus1975 Member Posts: 739 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    orangeitis wrote: »
    Put her in as a hologram. Or better yet, ESH(Emergency Science Hologram)

    This idea is kooky enough to work... I like it :cool:
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,709 Community Moderator
    edited November 2014
    The way Jadzia was killed would prevent the use of a Transporter Pattern Buffer, because Pah Wraith empowered Dukat pretty much force gripped her with fire or something if I remember correctly. But yea... I would love to see some way of bringing back Jadzia, even if its just in a Time Travel episode or hologram like they did with Worf in the TNG anniversary.

    Of course I wouldn't object to seeing Ezri either. She was cute... :o
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    rattler2 wrote: »
    The way Jadzia was killed would prevent the use of a Transporter Pattern Buffer, because Pah Wraith empowered Dukat pretty much force gripped her with fire or something if I remember correctly. But yea... I would love to see some way of bringing back Jadzia, even if its just in a Time Travel episode or hologram like they did with Worf in the TNG anniversary.

    Of course I wouldn't object to seeing Ezri either. She was cute... :o

    A Rule 34 Encounter of Jadzia and Ezri Dax would be... Interesting :cool:
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  • janus1975janus1975 Member Posts: 739 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    reyan01 wrote: »
    It was stated in "The Emperor's New Cloak" that Mirror Jadzia was killed in a skirmish with Alliance forces. It was referrenced in a conversation pertaining to Mirror Bashir's terrible mood.

    Ezri Dax wouldn't be a huge issue though, so far as in-game story goes, espeically if she wound up commanding the USS Aventine, as she has in the book universe - more than beleivable that she would either still be in command of the Aventine, or has made it to the rank of Admiral.

    Thank goodness for that, I was really worried there weren't enough Admirals to go round :D
  • odyssey47odyssey47 Member Posts: 524 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Instead of staying one more year to finish the series, Terry Ferrell abandoned the show and fans to do BECKER of all things. As far as I'm concerned, her character should have had a worse death.

    Beyond that, Star Trek is supposed to be about exploring the human condition, but the shows themselves, as well as the fans, try to avoid permanent death. They won't even let characters die of old age. The novels are really bad about this. Chekov and Uhura are like 200 years old and still serving in Starfleet. As Kirk once said of the Klingons: "let them die!"
  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,512 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    orangeitis wrote: »
    Put her in as a hologram. Or better yet, ESH(Emergency Science Hologram)

    Emergency Seduction Hologram

    Emergency Gambling Hologram

    ..

    I'm sure some other things can be thought off.
    This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
  • sohtohsohtoh Member Posts: 620 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    A Rule 34 Encounter of Jadzia and Ezri Dax would be... Interesting :cool:

    Make it so.
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  • royalsovereignroyalsovereign Member Posts: 1,344 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Actually you are asking too much. Don't get me wrong, I was genuinely angry that she died and I was very fond of the character.
    The only real problem I had with it was the *way* Jadzia went out. She was a pretty 'boss' character on the show - tough, smart, etc. Then she dies like a fish. She should've gone down in a blaze of glory with bodies piled around her.
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  • senatorvreenaksenatorvreenak Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Bringing her back to life would be rather contrived. But I wouldn't mind a Time Travel story with her in it.... We haven't had one since the Devidian story arc IMO were due for another one now. :P
  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    questerius wrote: »
    Emergency Seduction Hologram
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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    odyssey47 wrote: »
    Instead of staying one more year to finish the series, Terry Ferrell abandoned the show and fans to do BECKER of all things. As far as I'm concerned, her character should have had a worse death.

    Beyond that, Star Trek is supposed to be about exploring the human condition, but the shows themselves, as well as the fans, try to avoid permanent death. They won't even let characters die of old age. The novels are really bad about this. Chekov and Uhura are like 200 years old and still serving in Starfleet. As Kirk once said of the Klingons: "let them die!"

    She didn't abandon the show, but she was paid less than the rest of the main cast of Deep Space Nine and it caused fights between her and the producers until season 7 when she put her foot down and the producers refused, instead opting to replace her.

    You have a good point, but when a favorite character dies NOT because it's good for the story or anything, but because behind the scenes contract negotiations broke down then it's a bull TRIBBLE death that deserves a retcon. and I think we are doing Terry a huge favor she never wanted to see Jadzia killed off in Star Trek.

    FTR, I wouldn't have minded one less CGI ship battle if it meant having Terry to finish out season 7.... All well, can't change the past but at least we can effect the future.
  • futurepastnowfuturepastnow Member Posts: 3,660 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Why? Jadzia was a boring character.
  • truewarpertruewarper Member Posts: 933 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    anomalousx wrote: »
    -Terry Farrell

    She was one of my favorites and it would be nice to have her in this game, her interest is some what light in returning to show business from what I gather on the wiki, she seems to have an interest in coming back but not the best amount of time to do a full TV show or movie, which is probably about the time constraints of VO recording.

    I do have a retcon idea for STO that leaves Ezri Dax alone and co-existing. Since Jadzia was killed in front of the Prophet before it was attacked and blinded it could have done something to preserve her. I don't know, copied her mind and that of Dax and made a new body and symbiote or made a copy from the Dax that died in front of them... Well anyways a fan like me will take the explanation with a wink even if it's kind of bad.

    Then STO era comes a long, and it turns out Prophets are a bit bad at telling time so they send Jadzia back a little late, to them it made sense she returned at the moment she was supposed to interact in the time line for the best effect on it.. Jadzia as a bridge officer(Maybe? just existing in STO would be cool enough, I hope I am not asking too much.) And later on it would be pretty cool to try and do a short romantic reunion scene between Jadzia and Worf With Farrel and Dorn doing VOs which should probably be optional to watch because I am not sure if regular gamers who aren't big fans of DS9 would care that much, or that it would be told well, myself I would just care that it was told

    I saw the Youtube part last night...as much I would like to see her back around. The answer will be no. The persona's death is final.
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  • iwontsayiwontsay Member Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    No return from the dead from my point of view. That had been done too many times.

    First, death is a part of life. Even legends like Archer or Kirk met their end one way or another.

    Second, even the biggest hero can die a meaningless death. Slipping on a banana peel to break the neck would do everybody in, decorated war veteran the same as the clumsy fool.

    Third, it did open up for quite some new storylines with old acquaintances and the lore insights on how Trill deal with the baggage of past lives, criticism on the actress and character of "Ezri Dax" aside.

    Life goes on. Deal with it. There's a reason the writers included "reassociation" as a capital offense in Trill society. No hanging in the past.
  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Why? Jadzia was a boring character.
    Other people don't necessarily share the opinion you possess.

    I can't believe this still needs to be explained.
  • davidwforddavidwford Member Posts: 1,836 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    anomalousx wrote: »
    She didn't abandon the show, but she was paid less than the rest of the main cast of Deep Space Nine and it caused fights between her and the producers until season 7 when she put her foot down and the producers refused, instead opting to replace her.

    You have a good point, but when a favorite character dies NOT because it's good for the story or anything, but because behind the scenes contract negotiations broke down then it's a bull TRIBBLE death that deserves a retcon. and I think we are doing Terry a huge favor she never wanted to see Jadzia killed off in Star Trek.

    FTR, I wouldn't have minded one less CGI ship battle if it meant having Terry to finish out season 7.... All well, can't change the past but at least we can effect the future.

    Agreed. Denise Crobsy's character Yar comes to mind as well. In modern militaries, it is uncommon for someone to be at the same posting for more that about 4-5 years. Rather than kill off characters, Star Trek had an easy way out: reassignment. They did that for Gates McFadden's character, Doctor Crusher, why couldn't they do the same thing for TNG and DS9?

    Voyager is another matter. For them, the easy way out would be that said character gets reassigned from the bridge to a different department or shift (say from Day shift when all of the action occurs to overlight shift when everything is [hopefully] quiet).
  • dragonsbrethrendragonsbrethren Member Posts: 1,854 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Ezri > Jadzia :P

    With that out of the way, there are plenty of ways to use the character without a retcon. A retcon would be incredibly lame at this point, regardless of what you think of killing her off in the first place.
  • azniadeetazniadeet Member Posts: 1,871 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Someone develops a positronic net designed to host a humanoid memory pattern. Ezri gets involved in the project, and agrees to volunteer Jadzia's memories to be transferred, via the zhian'tara, into a custom built Android in the likeness of Jadzia.

    Everyone is happy.

    Except Worf.
  • gavinrunebladegavinruneblade Member Posts: 3,894 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Bringing her back to life would be rather contrived. But I wouldn't mind a Time Travel story with her in it.... We haven't had one since the Devidian story arc IMO were due for another one now. :P

    O.o

    You missed the fact we have a mission with Tasha Yar?
  • senatorvreenaksenatorvreenak Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    O.o

    You missed the fact we have a mission with Tasha Yar?

    Well... thats not as much a "Time Travel" story as it is an "alternate timeline" story. :P
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Why? Jadzia was a boring character.

    Jadzia loved different, obscure, odd, or strange by normal standards cultures.

    After seven(eight) life times asking impersonal questions, she finds all the impersonal questions boring.

    She can be relentless, she was the only known initiate candidate to reapply and succeed in getting joined.

    She had a very firm sense of honor and stuck to it.

    She had a been there done that kind of attitude with a lot of things.

    She considered Ben a son, nephew, or something and felt very proud of him for what he became.

    She had killer instinct, like a Klingon or a battle hardened human.

    She was easily equal to a Vulcan's skill or better at science and had some engineering training.

    Her combat skill was very good but later shown in the show not be greater than Worf's who had previously won Champion Standing in a Bat'leth tournament in the TNG episode Parallels- She put up a good fight though.

    As a kid she was a champion window breaker, on dark night with a hand full of rocks she was deadly.

    She was a prankster at times and often teased the more rigid staff members like Odo, Worf, and a little bit Kira who she didn't prank so much as tried to get her out of her shell, because in the early episodes Kira hated fun and would not go into holodecks until Jadzia talked her into doing it, My read into the different approach with Kira was that Jadzia was trying to help someone suffering post traumatic stress from an occupation where Worf and Odo were just being sticks in the mud.

    She might have been into women too.

    She was into men with transparent skulls and thought Mourn's wispy hairs were cute.

    She got the captain seat for the defiant a few times in the Dominion war when they had retreated from DS9, and I thought she was a cool captain.

    When under stress she could joke to much and get insulting or annoying, nobody is perfect but I liked the touch.

    She was arrogant at times, felt a older and wiser than everyone else, and got a bit to used to a few Klingons referring to Kerzon who was legendary when she was not Kerzon Dax, for example she later realized this when Ben told her while she was trying to get married to Worf, it was a good story I thought, that episode had a great party.

    Jadzia liked parties, much to Worf's annoyance when they began sharing quarters and she wanted to host parties of forty or more people there.

    She had a very subliminal crush on Ben(guessing again it's the pride thing), she was a bit more honest with herself about Julian(he was charming and consistant), might have ended up with Lenara Khan if Lenara had agreed(which was a mix of her being a rebel like Kerzon and having unrequited love for Nilani as Torias), and ended up falling in love with Worf because she likes a challenge and found the ultimate one.

    Jadzia Dax was one of my favorite characters in Star Trek, and all of these reason why I never found her character boring, I thought she usually braught a good light to any scene.
  • aspartan1aspartan1 Member Posts: 1,054 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I also adored her very much. I would love for some sort temporal or holo or even mirror somethin', somethin' to get her in the game and active. If I had to pick a single female ST persona over the years to love it would be her methinks....

    You see I'm always torn between her, Seven, and Ro but I think she would win out in the end.:D
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  • lordkhoraklordkhorak Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    We've got enough 'shoehorn in every character humanly possible' cameos without digging up the corpse of Jadzia, thanks. At least when we're inexplicably meeting everyone who ever had a name in Star Trek, they're not dead. Oh hey, Scotty, inexplicably on shore leave on a crappy space station that appeared in a single episode? On your own? Did you catch McCoy on the way out? Maybe back then a ship could only have a single person on shore leave at a time.

    Though I'm sure another needless nostalgia time travel episode just so people can see Jadzia and Sisko and everyone else on DS9 is in the 'ran out of ideas' bag for later if things get desperate.

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  • giannicampanellagiannicampanella Member Posts: 424 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Uh, the station was full of Starfleet personnel, not just Scotty.
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