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I really used to think that World of Tanks, or Battlestar Galacitca Online had the most Toxic vile forums around.
Now, I think that torch got passed to STO. My god I have never SEEN the amount entitled whining after DR has been launched.
Missions are TOO difficult. Takes to long to do anything. WHINE WHINE WHINE. And the amount of rage at the devs. Good god people. They are the grunt labor. Want to direct anger, do it at the editors and directors. They make the final decisions.
Seriously like I've posted in a few forums, but this gaming community is a ******n Catch 22.
If they made all of this stuff done in a day, people would whine there wasn't enough. Make it longer, and too many people cry it's a time gate.
Sorry at this point PWE isn't responsible for the happy medium. Time for the players to figure out you want a happy medium, gotta find it for yourselves.
Now, I think that torch got passed to STO. My god I have never SEEN the amount entitled whining after DR has been launched.
Missions are TOO difficult. Takes to long to do anything. WHINE WHINE WHINE. And the amount of rage at the devs. Good god people. They are the grunt labor. Want to direct anger, do it at the editors and directors. They make the final decisions.
Seriously like I've posted in a few forums, but this gaming community is a ******n Catch 22.
If they made all of this stuff done in a day, people would whine there wasn't enough. Make it longer, and too many people cry it's a time gate.
Sorry at this point PWE isn't responsible for the happy medium. Time for the players to figure out you want a happy medium, gotta find it for yourselves.
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I have too actually, maybe not as much time as some, but definitely some $$$. My opinion is this. don't take this game too seriously, you'll never get out alive.
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Then again on this forum I can gain some amusement watching people whine about other peoples complaints due to many reasons you don't seem to get.
BTW it would be pretty simple to fix the game to meet the expectations of the hardcore specific players like PvP and DPS league, as well as the casual Trek fan. It's just that to do so would require Cryptic to do something totally opposite to their MO, they'd have to actually comprehend what they were trying to make.
The missions aren't exactly difficult, even on Elite (which I did complete them on). The only difficulty I had was a Voth Bulwark that was almost impossible to kill, not due to anything I was really doing wrong, but more because it's combination of racial defences and it being a 1v1 situation meant that my 72500 hull lost out (sometimes in one hit of a DBB Overload) to a Bulwark with 1.25 Million hitpoints. Even then I succeeded in killing it. It just took 2hrs of being bored out of my mind.
Difficulty needs to make the playe feel like they accomplished something, not bore them to death.
"You don't have to do something again and again and again repetitive that doesn't have much challange, that's just a general good gameplay thing."
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I only see these types of threads at attempts to troll and deflect away from the actual issues the game has.
Cheers!
well said !!!!
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Only real issues are BUGS. Everything else is about entitlement. CHEERS!
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Who's to say as customers/end users/captains that we aren't entitled?
baahhahahhahahahhahahahhahaha lmao that going to be a fun gind now that exploration missions are gone
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Funny thing is the bugs are what caused the current controversy. Specifically the XP bug that then turned into all out war on the players, cleverly adjusted by blaming the people who could level fastest and letting the white knights jump in and fuel the fire.
The entitlement to a product that works and is of good quality however is just your normal level of customer care expected anywhere be it physical goods or digital. The quality of the DR product, the expectations of said product and the product actually delivered all differ wildly. Wildly enough that it caused a secondary reaction to the Dev's overreaction to the players finding a bug they left in despite notification of it during their alpha/beta tests...
"You don't have to do something again and again and again repetitive that doesn't have much challange, that's just a general good gameplay thing."
Again Catch 22 that argument. But if you really look at gaming companies and F2P games, the only REAL thing we are entitled to, logging in and playing for free. Anything else...pfft.
I will give the players 1 thing. PWE WAY overhyped DR. I will give ya that. But everybody had these GIGANTIC expectations.
Know what I expected. Some new shines, some good voice acting, a decent story line. That's it. And ya know what, got exactly what I expected.
Sorry most of the whining outside bug issues(Which are completely valid, we paid for this, may as well have a bug free game for gods sake! PWE personnel could of atleast gotten that right!) it's all self entitlement. High expectations that are not met.
Sorry that onus is on the PLAYER, not the other way around. Why it's sad and quite funny watching people like daan rage. You are simply bringing it on yourself.
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i got it done back in year one but waiting till it was too late for my romulan because i never thought cryptic just up and remove Exploration the way they did
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Well reasoned response but I go back to this. It's all about what you expected. And considering the track record of PWE, hell they did better than I thought they would.
Guess that's what happens when you have low expectations when a new patch or expansion comes around. Again that's all on the player. If they expected so much and it fell flat, shouldn't of expected so much.
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Eventually, things will calm down here, when people either come to see that their complaints are overblown to say the least, or carry through on their threat to leave. (That assumes, of course, that they aren't going to become the sorts who quit playing the game, but hang around in the forums for the express purpose of stirring up fecal matter...) In the meantime, all the rest of us can do is try to remain logical. That would be the Trekkie thing to do, after all.
there, changed my forum sig
anyways, whine or not, there is enough of the player base reconsidering their position with the game, what effect it will have on the short term (say a few months at most) will determine what the real impact was from these changes when the details come out. but for all intents and purposes i thought season 8 was a disaster site, this made that addition look like nothing. this expansion has got to be one of the worst on record.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
What you just typed is total bollocks. There's legislation regarding products that are sold that don't live up to the claims of the company, not to mention quality issues.
I'm not expecting a bug free experience, I know that is not how Cryptic operate. However the level of incompetence shown with DR literally astounds me.
What's worse is your expectations are so low. Just remember that $130 in the gaming world gets you a full triple A release game plus it's season pass these days. Even the buggiest releases there still don't compare to what occurred on the 14th of October.
Oh and Cryptic may claim the onus is on the player, but that's utter bullcrap. If players had been buying ships and then instantly selling them for a profit and doing so continually, that's an exploit. Playing the game in the intended manner no matter how fubar the XP is set by the Dev's is NOT an exploit. That is a fubar by the dev's which needed to be fixed.
I'm truly sorry you cannot comprehend these simple things.
"You don't have to do something again and again and again repetitive that doesn't have much challange, that's just a general good gameplay thing."
His forum marauding level is rank 4 and 1 exp away from rank 5.
Need examples? Look at the Counter-Strike Global Offensive or DOTA 2 Steam forums if you really need to know. I have never seen forums overblown to such a degree with racism and hostility against players as well as developers before. Also just playing the games isn't any better. In STO, people tell you if you make a mistake generally, although not always in a friendly manner.
But if you TRIBBLE up on CS:GO or DOTA (especially in competitive mode), everyone is gonna try to rip your head off verbally over mic and curse your entire family for the next 20 generations just for not landing a quick reflex uber-1337 headshot.
Yes, DR could have been better, but then again, nothing ever comes out perfect. I got what I expected, left feedback that was asked for about the difficulty increase and that was it. Cryptic nerfed normal and advanced slightly and its more manageable now and apart from a couple of bugs, I have no major complaints at the moment.
"Let them eat static!"
1) The timegate to be able to do the content (the basic episodes, not stfs etc).
2) The way cryptic handled their own TRIBBLE up.
I'm lvl60, so the content issue doesn't bother me now, but it bothered me enough post launch that I went to TD and did the grind to 60. Now that they've nerfed the XP overall in the patrols, I can just imagine the amount of time it will take to be able to open up new episodes for players who are now only lvl50.
There should have been more unique content to play on this launch.
The other issue I took major exception to. Look, I understand that they have to change the XP model so the spec trees take time. But they way they dealt with an issue that was their error, smacked of a lack of professionalism and a lack of realisation that they provide entertainment, not a way of life
Yes, there are bugs and over time, hopefully most of them will be fixed. But they really need to provide more content, so levelling to 60 isn't as much of a chore and learn to treat their customers with respect.
Cheers!
If the forums are a cess pit, it's because of people like Talon.
There is, naturally, a vocal minority that is upset at any dev team on any game. You know which games have the "worst community" by your meter? The worst games out there, with the worst dev teams. When 100% of the forum is outraged about what the devs are doing, and the devs simply don't want to hear any negative responses? That's a bad dev team.
This has been the case with cryptic before. They use BS math to justify what they want. Essentially they pull numerology out of their buttocks, and they have been called out on it before. Once thoroughly proven inaccurate in how they claimed to base their responses on math, they simply stopped even reading the forums. They would ignore 100 posts well thought out and well written with logic, calm, and fairness... and personally take the time to reply to the ONE person that gushed/glowed and aplologized fro Cryptic at every turn but was based in no logic or thought.
In short, they want yes-men for players. They want mindless whales to milk. They just don't CARE about players anymore.
And guess what?
That pisses players off. And they will react on the forums.
So calling these forums toxic? You don't even know the meaning of the word. Toxic is a description referring to a behavior that spreads infectiously from member to member with no real basis. The nasty nature of the forums breeds more nasty, when they are toxic. That is not what we have here. The utter hatred of the playerbase by the devs is what is breeding negative reactions (and not even NASTY-- almost all of them are well justified, logical, calm, collected, and reasoned).
In short, you blaming the players and the forums? It's a cheap-TRIBBLE cop-out and it's also the line the devs have taken. Blame the players. For everything. It doesn't hold any water, it is proven to be a false premise or a lie in almost all cases, and it serves only to kill the game more and more every time you do it.
So... ."toxic"? You're spitting out things you've read but don't understand. You're making excuses for bad devs (mostly D'Angelo's doing) and insulting everybody in a massive blanket insult in the process. You are NOT a dev. Stop acting like them, and stop sucking up to them.
+1 to this!!! great post
lmao im so tempted to make this my signature!
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I just figured it was a fun thing to do.
Since so many people are doing it, it must be fun.
im not interested in the op's point, but to chime in a specific issue. as for my own opinion, it doesnt mean anything, so there.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.