More accurately, they ruined the game for short term profit.
I think it would really help if the devs or pwe representatives would take their time to clarify a bit in the forums or otherwise this assessment is the only one that can explain whats currently going on.
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I think it would really help if the devs or pwe representatives would take their time to clarify a bit in the forums or otherwise this assessment is the only one that can explain whats currently going on.
Yeah. Hell, even if they came out with "We made an error in judgement with what we thought the playerbase wanted." Would be fine.
Yeah. Hell, even if they came out with "We made an error in judgement with what we thought the playerbase wanted." Would be fine.
People haunting the forums =/= "the playerbase". In fact, there are at least three people who post a lot here who I know for a fact don't even play any more.
Meanwhile, I know of at least five (and I don't chat a lot in-game) who were until recently unaware that the forums existed. Not everyone reads the launcher, you know.
As for the vast middle ground? As was noted in the CO forums, the unhappy players are posting. The happy players are mostly busy playing. (I'm just killing time until I get the kids on the bus...)
Didnt you read the devs. It's they didn't ruin the game, it's their most successful launch to date!
Exactly, it is. Just because a few whiny entitled babbies here on the forms are crying about it and leaving doesn't mean the expansion isn't getting more people playing overall and enjoying it.
Delta Rising isn't perfect. Not by a long shot. But it isn't this horrible failure some people are making it out to be.
People haunting the forums =/= "the playerbase". In fact, there are at least three people who post a lot here who I know for a fact don't even play any more.
Meanwhile, I know of at least five (and I don't chat a lot in-game) who were until recently unaware that the forums existed. Not everyone reads the launcher, you know.
As for the vast middle ground? As was noted in the CO forums, the unhappy players are posting. The happy players are mostly busy playing. (I'm just killing time until I get the kids on the bus...)
Oh there I can assure you that Im in game quiet often and had almost no reason to be on forums the past 2,5 years cuz most of the game worked fine. The fleets Im in as well as in game friends were happy with the stuff for the most part.
If you have a good time at end game now I salute you but unfortunately this is not the feedback I get by many, many players currently. The only reason why I post on the forum is that I care a bit more about STO as the only mmorpg I run while others not bothering by stuff like forums will simply log into a different game instead once Neelix is out of babbeling .
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Exactly, it is. Just because a few whiny entitled babbies here on the forms are crying about it and leaving doesn't mean the expansion isn't getting more people playing overall and enjoying it.
Delta Rising isn't perfect. Not by a long shot. But it isn't this horrible failure some people are making it out to be.
Truth is though we can point at some evidence and say it is at least not doing as well as it could be doing, that's why people can keep attacking when the evidence is there.
I mean no one wants this game to go under, but sadly I can't find anything to say it isn't going the wrong way.
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Yeah playerbase loves it, I never see any of the zone chats full of disgruntled players wondering what the hell to do, or why they are suddenly stuck at lvl 54 because reasons...
Chris Robert's on SC:
"You don't have to do something again and again and again repetitive that doesn't have much challange, that's just a general good gameplay thing."
Truth is though we can point at some evidence and say it is at least not doing as well as it could be doing, that's why people can keep attacking when the evidence is there.
I mean no one wants this game to go under, but sadly I can't find anything to say it isn't going the wrong way.
What if that "evidence" is subjective though? Is it justified as actual criticism? Or is it just people wanting the game to be their way instead of wanting to make it better for everyone?
Can't do stf's anymore and when I do get the urge to do an Advanced I have to pug it because half my fleet doens't play anymore because you've messed the game up! Then some silly willy naughty ned messes up the optional and we lose and I get a cd before I can do it again.
The story missions were pretty good, the voice cast of the show AWESOME, the cats are great and whoever said let's give them a *spoilers* doff of a certain Doctor who when you use a hypo he beams down to help heal deserves a raise. Whoever said "Let's change the PVE's and STF's so people can't do them unless they're in a big giant fleet and just get rid of this one all together" needs to go get bent, seriously kick that person with an iron boot til they bend then chuck them out.
I understand that parts of what I love about this game are still there but you've messed up so much of it right now it is really hard to see......
I'm really disheartened with STO now. Thus far, the changes since DR have ruined the game for me. The STF's suck so bad it is not fun anymore and to pour salt into the wound the rewards have been reduced. Then they nerfed the XP and took away spec points for some players. This has ruined the game for me. I was not affected by the spec point fiasco but am truly bothered by it. It seems very dishonest. Several people in my fleet bought XP boosts and farmed Argala not TD and they lost points. They have filed tickets and it's "being looked into".
At this point, trust is lost I'm skeptical that Cryptic will do the right thing. People in my fleet are actively looking for a new MMO that we can play together. We are tier 5 fleet, have multiple 30k dpser's, and have had a great time playing STO together. I am truly saddened by this and I implore Cryptic to do the right thing. Namely:
1. Restore STF's to preseason STF rewards, difficulty AND optional format. Leave the new "elite" que the way you want BUT increase the rewards.
2. Fix the XP nerf. As it currently stands, it's a joke.
3. Return the spec points to players.
4. Apologize. This would go a long way to restoring trust.
Truth is though we can point at some evidence and say it is at least not doing as well as it could be doing, that's why people can keep attacking when the evidence is there.
I mean no one wants this game to go under, but sadly I can't find anything to say it isn't going the wrong way.
Financial success in a FTP game, unlike a Subscription game, has nothing to do with only the volume of people playing missions or in queues. Financial success in a FTP game has to do with the number of Delta Packs sold to players pre and post Expansion launch; the number of Keys purchased to open the new Lockbox; the amount of Zen purchased to be used for Dlithium while Crafting Mk XIII/XIV upgrades, Upgrade Tokens, etc. Someone could be doing nothing but sitting in one spot and crafting items for a week and making Cryptic hundreds of dollars.
I have no idea if it was a great launch for them or not. But I do understand that if only 8,000 players purchased a Delta Pack then Cryptic made $1 million extra over the last month compared to not having a Delta Rising launch. So financially it could be a huge success for them.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Disposable income online ahem I mean STO will eventually become so unpopular because of ruthless cash grabbing CBS will pull licensing and the publisher will end up with no property at all. Give back or get nothing period.
Until then we have to eek by and try to get the story, advanced and elite play is a rich boys game only now. Pay to play most of it, somewhat free to play basic low ball story weak useless efforts.. 5 years and all of my work and thousands of dollars wasted, PWE must hate money.
Yes, their chinese publisher PWE, they are know for VERY grindy money sucking game mechanics. STO is changing into that with every patch.
Cryptic is under contractual obligation to do whatever their publisher says. And they have told them to apply more asian type mmo mechanics. (pay for every action).
All of PWE's games are like this. Its sickening to see STO turn into this. And its going to get worse down the line. So Star Trek fans are either going to have to deal with this or leave. PWE knows they have their hands on a world famous ip for the first time in their history. They want alot of money out of this game.
What if that "evidence" is subjective though? Is it justified as actual criticism? Or is it just people wanting the game to be their way instead of wanting to make it better for everyone?
As tempting as it can be to include subjective evidence, and it wouldn't necessarily be wrong to do so, I'm actually talking about purely objective evidence. Their financial report from the last quarter and the log-in numbers chart from steam for example.
Having said that I can point to subjective evidence as well. The handling of the xp issues that led to what everyone seems to want to call Tau Dewagate. The fact that bug was reported on tribble multiple times, only to be ignored which, seeing as we had no official dev response on the matter, one could easily come to the conclusion it was intended.
I'll also quickly mention the queues being rather empty, the lack of T-6 ships both myself and others have reported not seeing a whole lot of and the common conception many have with the content gaps and it starts to build up, though I still feel the objective evidence is the strongest simply because most people can see the log-in figures. The financials aren't completely on public view but you'll have to take my word for that one.
Financial success in a FTP game, unlike a Subscription game, has nothing to do with only the volume of people playing missions or in queues. Financial success in a FTP game has to do with the number of Delta Packs sold to players pre and post Expansion launch; the number of Keys purchased to open the new Lockbox; the amount of Zen purchased to be used for Dlithium while Crafting Mk XIII/XIV upgrades, Upgrade Tokens, etc. Someone could be doing nothing but sitting in one spot and crafting items for a week and making Cryptic hundreds of dollars.
I have no idea if it was a great launch for them or not. But I do understand that if only 8,000 players purchased a Delta Pack then Cryptic made $1 million extra over the last month compared to not having a Delta Rising launch. So financially it could be a huge success for them.
Well in some ways yes and in others no. More people means more likely paying players, and while I understand where you're coming from it's hard to separate the basic principle that more players means a larger proportion of paying players.
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As others have pointed out "Why did you ruin the game?" is subjective. I have a friend(the last of 5) that still plays this game and says the expansion isn't bad. It's not great, but not nearly as bad as people say. (Oh, and yes, he doesn't post on the forums btw).
Anyway, take it for what it's worth. Don't enjoy it or is no longer fun? Leave, you can always come back at anytime if you think things change in the direction you like later on.
Want to still play the game but you want to boycott it because you don't agree with their decisions? Then don't spend any money on it. Money speaks louder than anything you'll do.
Point is, there are things you can do which will be much, much more effective things you can do than just doing a general rant on the forums.
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Am I alone in finding the remarks against PWE increasingly racist in tone....? I'm not disagreeing that they have a lot of money-raising game mechanics in play, but there is a big implication that they're like this purely because they're Chinese. As though it would somehow be more acceptable if an American firm was operating the same model.
Actually yes you are and here's why. When people say Chinese they don't mean that the people who run PWE are chinese they mean the model they are using for this game is becoming more chinese. In China it's a well known fact that you pay per minute of being online on their internet services. In some games you actually pay for every transaction you do, sometimes with real money or a currency you only get with real money, it happens in every game. Korea does something similar they require this kind of transaction thing per item used or per point gained which is what this person is talking about.
Personally I am seeing this kind of Chinese market take over on all of the games Archeage, GW2, and NWO have been the most recent. It's terrible and what gets me is the idiots here who can't understand a bad deal when they see one are letting it happen! They are actually advocating for this kind of Chinese/Korean ripoff economics.
To the OP, I 100% agree. Cryptic has killed any mission with higher than normal rewards. They want us to buy R&D packs, and they want us to buy Dil. I use to run a variety of elite missions everyday. I have not run them, in pugs, since DR release. I refuse to feel like A dog getting kicked out of the house for a failed optional. That is an INSULTING feeling.
A casual game suddenly requiring fulltime fleet support to run content is the dumbest idea I've seen in a game since Masters of Orion 3.
Take heart in the fact that the queues are nearly empty. With nothing to do once the DR single player content is completed players will evaporate and major changes will have to come or Cryptic will lose STO.
As tempting as it can be to include subjective evidence, and it wouldn't necessarily be wrong to do so, I'm actually talking about purely objective evidence. Their financial report from the last quarter and the log-in numbers chart from steam for example.
Having said that I can point to subjective evidence as well. The handling of the xp issues that led to what everyone seems to want to call Tau Dewagate. The fact that bug was reported on tribble multiple times, only to be ignored which, seeing as we had no official dev response on the matter, one could easily come to the conclusion it was intended.
I'll also quickly mention the queues being rather empty, the lack of T-6 ships both myself and others have reported not seeing a whole lot of and the common conception many have with the content gaps and it starts to build up, though I still feel the objective evidence is the strongest simply because most people can see the log-in figures. The financials aren't completely on public view but you'll have to take my word for that one.
Well if there is indeed objective evidence, please provide it. I care about truth and reality more than my current positions. If I find something to hold more evidence and have a better reason to believe it, I'll abandon my old position in favor of it.
Subjective evidence though? Not really evidence at all. This is an MMORPG, and no MMORPG will be for everyone. I'd even go as far as to say it's actually impossible to make an MMORPG that everyone would like, as some would just like for others to not like it.
Take my stance against Tovan Khev being mandatory. Yes, it objectively forces every RRF captain to have a Khev, but that's not a bad thing to everyone. I've accepted the fact that my preference to make Khev optional is completely subjective, and that alone definitely is not evidence that the game would be better if Khev were to be optional. There are more factors here than just "more people could possibly like Khev being optional".
But if there is good reason for me to think otherwise, I'll definitely consider it.
Am I alone in finding the remarks against PWE increasingly racist in tone....? I'm not disagreeing that they have a lot of money-raising game mechanics in play, but there is a big implication that they're like this purely because they're Chinese. As though it would somehow be more acceptable if an American firm was operating the same model.
Anyway, what did DR bring in which required people to pay more... T5U upgrades. That was, count it, the *only* thing added in DR which absolutely requires someone to spend money. Buying T6 ships, no different to the way the game was pre-F2P.
Everything else - Mk XIV gear, intel Boffs, specialisations - is essentially a question of "pay or play". Which is only an issue if you lack patience. The only real issue is that Gold gear is a very much higher absolute ceiling than has been seen before - but hey, got to give the hardcore players something to aim for right?
Sorry. There is a real question about whether STO's current state is fun or not. But railing that PWE are extorting money from the playerbase by putting in "pay-to-progress-faster" mechanisms is like obese individuals complaining that McDonalds uses too much fat.
Strap on your big boy pants and drop the pack of tissues, PWE is based in Beijing, China. Therefore it's a Chinese company. SWTOR officially has a better FTP model than STO. I never thought that would happen. I even have a LTS and it's worth about as much as a flaming bag full of Dog Poo.
I have no problem in the pay to progress faster model, however I do have a problem with Advanced Queues being borderline unpuggable whilst killing the Dil payout.
In the realm of reality challenge is rewarded with better payouts, not worse. Not to mention, the astronomical costs of "pay to progress faster" They would have more people paying to progress faster if they were reasonable. Almost 3 days worth of refining to progress 1 day in crafting LMAO OK. They reduce that by 2/3 or even to 8k, they would be in business. On the upgrades, the dil cost should be more like 500/750/1075.
No system in any MMO wouid take almost a year to complete, Crafting as it stands will take over 9 months to complete doing the daily.
Strap on your big boy pants and drop the pack of tissues, PWE is based in Beijing, China. Therefore it's a Chinese company. SWTOR officially has a better FTP model than STO. I never thought that would happen. I even have a LTS and it's worth about as much as a flaming bag full of Dog Poo.
I have no problem in the pay to progress faster model, however I do have a problem with Advanced Queues being borderline unpuggable whilst killing the Dil payout.
In the realm of reality challenge is rewarded with better payouts, not worse. Not to mention, the astronomical costs of "pay to progress faster" They would have more people paying to progress faster if they were reasonable. Almost 3 days worth of refining to progress 1 day in crafting LMAO OK. They reduce that by 2/3 or even to 8k, they would be in business. On the upgrades, the dil cost should be more like 500/750/1075.
No system in any MMO wouid take almost a year to complete, Crafting as it stands will take over 9 months to complete doing the daily.
That sentence right there: Laughing. Name 1 thing in SWTOR you don't have to pay for that STO give you for free. Like STO free 10 ability bars. SWTOR you start with 2 and don't get more unless you pay $$$. SWTOR restricted content, XP earning and cannot use the top of the line stuff unless you pay $$$ and subscribe. STO, you can use ANYTHING. Also how many ships have we gotten for free? Oddy/Bort, Ambassador, Carriers, DSDs, Risan ships, I mean seriously when is the last time SWTOR gave away ANYHING?
HELL TO POST ON THEIR FORUMS YOU HAVE TO SUBSCRIBE.
Better F2P model? You're nuts.
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Strap on your big boy pants and drop the pack of tissues, PWE is based in Beijing, China. Therefore it's a Chinese company.
Actually, PWE is an American company based in Redwood City, California. PW is based in China. Of course because its stock is publicly traded the owners of the company are scattered around the world.
Many American companies are owned by non-American corporations. Anheuser-Busch Companies, Inc. is owned by InBev, a Belgiun company. Miller Brewing Company is owned by SAB, a South African company. Burger King is owned by 3G Capital, which is a Brazilian company. I could literally list a hundred well-known "American companies" which are not owned by American corporations.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Well if there is indeed objective evidence, please provide it. I care about truth and reality more than my current positions. If I find something to hold more evidence and have a better reason to believe it, I'll abandon my old position in favor of it.
Subjective evidence though? Not really evidence at all. This is an MMORPG, and no MMORPG will be for everyone. I'd even go as far as to say it's actually impossible to make an MMORPG that everyone would like, as some would just like for others to not like it.
Take my stance against Tovan Khev being mandatory. Yes, it objectively forces every RRF captain to have a Khev, but that's not a bad thing to everyone. I've accepted the fact that my preference to make Khev optional is completely subjective, and that alone definitely is not evidence that the game would be better if Khev were to be optional. There are more factors here than just "more people could possibly like Khev being optional".
But if there is good reason for me to think otherwise, I'll definitely consider it.
Well the first part is password locked so I'll just have to quote it. Zen sales dropped about 25% after DR was announced at Las Vegas. This came from the financials from the last quarter for PWE, their financials as opposed to Cryptic Studios, but from what I can tell PWE does the financials for everything so that's fine.
What'll be interesting is if the next quarter shows something similar, it's obviously one thing to look at this kind of thing pre and post release, but it does show people had their confidence knocked.
That should go to the graph that shows for all time but if it doesn't the option is just above the graph. That big wide spike is LoR at around April 29th 2013. DR is the small spike on the right side of the graph at October 13th 2014. Notice how LoR has more players and decreases over a longer duration, as opposed to DR which is already on a quick downhill and was about 2,000 players less than LoR.
I don't know what March 31st 2014 was, but it wasn't far off peak wise where DR got to, I think it might have been Season 8 but I'm not sure, still doesn't look good from what the expansion should look like on there.
At no point in there do they mention STO, and remember this is the more publicly available document. I mean my PR gripes tell me they're covering over a poor season which is reflected in the password locked version of it. So of course, as they see it, why bring it up anyway?
Personally combined with the subjective I tend to lean towards the 'not doing well' end of the argument, but I don't think we'll have a definitive answer until next quarters announcement.
Edit: Apologies you have to take my word for the first one, I know it isn't ideal.
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That sentence right there: Laughing. Name 1 thing in SWTOR you don't have to pay for that STO give you for free. Like STO free 10 ability bars. SWTOR you start with 2 and don't get more unless you pay $$$. SWTOR restricted content, XP earning and cannot use the top of the line stuff unless you pay $$$ and subscribe. STO, you can use ANYTHING. Also how many ships have we gotten for free? Oddy/Bort, Ambassador, Carriers, DSDs, Risan ships, I mean seriously when is the last time SWTOR gave away ANYHING?
HELL TO POST ON THEIR FORUMS YOU HAVE TO SUBSCRIBE.
Better F2P model? You're nuts.
Everything there can be bought off the exchange. They also don't have has many currencies, Crafting does not require any type of currency just mats from ops, fps or farming.
Everything there can be bought off the exchange. They also don't have has many currencies, Crafting does not require any type of currency just mats from ops, fps or farming.
So you have to grind in order to buy the things necessary to continue equipping your gear.
That's ridiculous. I have a friend who was a subscriber, quit to go back to WoW, then when he heard SWTOR went F2P he logged on - and his character spontaneously stripped. So he has a max level character with no equipment.
Did some big business man who never ever played the game let alone had never seen a Star Trek episode come in and tell you to make all these changes? or did you all have a crack party?
I couldn't stop laughing after reading this first part and with your avatar of young Whoopi it made it even funnier!!!
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So you have to grind in order to buy the things necessary to continue equipping your gear.
That's ridiculous. I have a friend who was a subscriber, quit to go back to WoW, then when he heard SWTOR went F2P he logged on - and his character spontaneously stripped. So he has a max level character with no equipment.
Great model. :rolleyes:
I didn't say it was great, I just said at this point, it is better than STO's. Its model is it wants you to subscribe to play, STO is unless you want to take an eternity to get a maxed out character, pay us money, oh btw we'll make it harder by increasing difficulty (I have no problem with this) and then reducing rewards given (I have a problem with this), and tying necessary components do the Advanced Difficulty STFs (BNPs/APCs) as the only way to get them. That is not conducive to a Casual/Pug friendly model.
If you really already spend that money, the game wasn't ruined - players spending money on the game is what Cryptic wants to achieve.
If you stop giving them money because of the grind, then Cryptic has reached a point where they need to evaluate their choice sand look at the feedback on how to get players back into a spending mood.
(Of course, you're just one guy and one data point and don't determine this alone, but you get what I am saying).
The game has gotten too grindy and "ruined" if cryptic is making less money, rather than more.
But:
How many people have already decked out their ship and character with Mark XII Purples and Reputation Sets, and all reputation slots filled?
Did you ever count how much Dilithium you needed to spend to get there?
How much money do you think was spend while players were getting there - and does Cryptic still get that kind of money when most players already are fully decked out?
And if you think the grind is too long - how long did it take you to get to the current state? Do you think the "new grind" will make it that much longer?
I think the "new grind" with the new level and gear caps exists to bascially "reset" the player community to the ponit they were when the game went F2P. You have another 60 levels to climb, and re-equip your gear. It's pretty much what probably every level cap increase in MMOs is to do.
It could of course be that they did not tune it right for a majority of players and end up hurting their business. Time will tell.
I do believe in what you say, I also believe with me there are a lot off people spending money on the game, the upgrades, The lockboxes. STO is a well spend MMO acording to sources of media. And sure I disagree on decisions but there is still a lot off good stuff in STO to do. It's a shame they made such regless decission on the rep system But it does not entirly ruin the game for me I would love it if they undo the damage they done as quickly as posible... Dont get me wrong but I'm not an DPS guy like some gamers but I want to have acces to the whole game thats what I pay for right....
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Everything there can be bought off the exchange. They also don't have has many currencies, Crafting does not require any type of currency just mats from ops, fps or farming.
So when did being able to buy Ability bars suddenly come off the Exchange? That's a new one.
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SWTOR doesn't have a F2P model. They have a model that actively punishes you for wanting to take advantage of their so-called "F2P". That's probably a better model from the point of view of the publisher, as it squeezes more money out of the playerbase, but it's not F2P.
That's like claiming that WoW has a great F2P model because you can play the game for free up to 20th level. Of course, that's when you get your mount and things actually start getting interesting, but it just "encourages" you to sub, right?
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I think it would really help if the devs or pwe representatives would take their time to clarify a bit in the forums or otherwise this assessment is the only one that can explain whats currently going on.
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Yeah. Hell, even if they came out with "We made an error in judgement with what we thought the playerbase wanted." Would be fine.
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It is a peculiar phenomenon that we can imagine events that defy the laws of the universe.
Meanwhile, I know of at least five (and I don't chat a lot in-game) who were until recently unaware that the forums existed. Not everyone reads the launcher, you know.
As for the vast middle ground? As was noted in the CO forums, the unhappy players are posting. The happy players are mostly busy playing. (I'm just killing time until I get the kids on the bus...)
Delta Rising isn't perfect. Not by a long shot. But it isn't this horrible failure some people are making it out to be.
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Oh there I can assure you that Im in game quiet often and had almost no reason to be on forums the past 2,5 years cuz most of the game worked fine. The fleets Im in as well as in game friends were happy with the stuff for the most part.
If you have a good time at end game now I salute you but unfortunately this is not the feedback I get by many, many players currently. The only reason why I post on the forum is that I care a bit more about STO as the only mmorpg I run while others not bothering by stuff like forums will simply log into a different game instead once Neelix is out of babbeling .
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Truth is though we can point at some evidence and say it is at least not doing as well as it could be doing, that's why people can keep attacking when the evidence is there.
I mean no one wants this game to go under, but sadly I can't find anything to say it isn't going the wrong way.
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Exactly!!
I'm really disheartened with STO now. Thus far, the changes since DR have ruined the game for me. The STF's suck so bad it is not fun anymore and to pour salt into the wound the rewards have been reduced. Then they nerfed the XP and took away spec points for some players. This has ruined the game for me. I was not affected by the spec point fiasco but am truly bothered by it. It seems very dishonest. Several people in my fleet bought XP boosts and farmed Argala not TD and they lost points. They have filed tickets and it's "being looked into".
At this point, trust is lost I'm skeptical that Cryptic will do the right thing. People in my fleet are actively looking for a new MMO that we can play together. We are tier 5 fleet, have multiple 30k dpser's, and have had a great time playing STO together. I am truly saddened by this and I implore Cryptic to do the right thing. Namely:
1. Restore STF's to preseason STF rewards, difficulty AND optional format. Leave the new "elite" que the way you want BUT increase the rewards.
2. Fix the XP nerf. As it currently stands, it's a joke.
3. Return the spec points to players.
4. Apologize. This would go a long way to restoring trust.
I have no idea if it was a great launch for them or not. But I do understand that if only 8,000 players purchased a Delta Pack then Cryptic made $1 million extra over the last month compared to not having a Delta Rising launch. So financially it could be a huge success for them.
Until then we have to eek by and try to get the story, advanced and elite play is a rich boys game only now. Pay to play most of it, somewhat free to play basic low ball story weak useless efforts.. 5 years and all of my work and thousands of dollars wasted, PWE must hate money.
All of PWE's games are like this. Its sickening to see STO turn into this. And its going to get worse down the line. So Star Trek fans are either going to have to deal with this or leave. PWE knows they have their hands on a world famous ip for the first time in their history. They want alot of money out of this game.
As tempting as it can be to include subjective evidence, and it wouldn't necessarily be wrong to do so, I'm actually talking about purely objective evidence. Their financial report from the last quarter and the log-in numbers chart from steam for example.
Having said that I can point to subjective evidence as well. The handling of the xp issues that led to what everyone seems to want to call Tau Dewagate. The fact that bug was reported on tribble multiple times, only to be ignored which, seeing as we had no official dev response on the matter, one could easily come to the conclusion it was intended.
I'll also quickly mention the queues being rather empty, the lack of T-6 ships both myself and others have reported not seeing a whole lot of and the common conception many have with the content gaps and it starts to build up, though I still feel the objective evidence is the strongest simply because most people can see the log-in figures. The financials aren't completely on public view but you'll have to take my word for that one.
Well in some ways yes and in others no. More people means more likely paying players, and while I understand where you're coming from it's hard to separate the basic principle that more players means a larger proportion of paying players.
Anyway, take it for what it's worth. Don't enjoy it or is no longer fun? Leave, you can always come back at anytime if you think things change in the direction you like later on.
Want to still play the game but you want to boycott it because you don't agree with their decisions? Then don't spend any money on it. Money speaks louder than anything you'll do.
Point is, there are things you can do which will be much, much more effective things you can do than just doing a general rant on the forums.
Actually yes you are and here's why. When people say Chinese they don't mean that the people who run PWE are chinese they mean the model they are using for this game is becoming more chinese. In China it's a well known fact that you pay per minute of being online on their internet services. In some games you actually pay for every transaction you do, sometimes with real money or a currency you only get with real money, it happens in every game. Korea does something similar they require this kind of transaction thing per item used or per point gained which is what this person is talking about.
Personally I am seeing this kind of Chinese market take over on all of the games Archeage, GW2, and NWO have been the most recent. It's terrible and what gets me is the idiots here who can't understand a bad deal when they see one are letting it happen! They are actually advocating for this kind of Chinese/Korean ripoff economics.
A casual game suddenly requiring fulltime fleet support to run content is the dumbest idea I've seen in a game since Masters of Orion 3.
Take heart in the fact that the queues are nearly empty. With nothing to do once the DR single player content is completed players will evaporate and major changes will have to come or Cryptic will lose STO.
Subjective evidence though? Not really evidence at all. This is an MMORPG, and no MMORPG will be for everyone. I'd even go as far as to say it's actually impossible to make an MMORPG that everyone would like, as some would just like for others to not like it.
Take my stance against Tovan Khev being mandatory. Yes, it objectively forces every RRF captain to have a Khev, but that's not a bad thing to everyone. I've accepted the fact that my preference to make Khev optional is completely subjective, and that alone definitely is not evidence that the game would be better if Khev were to be optional. There are more factors here than just "more people could possibly like Khev being optional".
But if there is good reason for me to think otherwise, I'll definitely consider it.
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Strap on your big boy pants and drop the pack of tissues, PWE is based in Beijing, China. Therefore it's a Chinese company. SWTOR officially has a better FTP model than STO. I never thought that would happen. I even have a LTS and it's worth about as much as a flaming bag full of Dog Poo.
I have no problem in the pay to progress faster model, however I do have a problem with Advanced Queues being borderline unpuggable whilst killing the Dil payout.
In the realm of reality challenge is rewarded with better payouts, not worse. Not to mention, the astronomical costs of "pay to progress faster" They would have more people paying to progress faster if they were reasonable. Almost 3 days worth of refining to progress 1 day in crafting LMAO OK. They reduce that by 2/3 or even to 8k, they would be in business. On the upgrades, the dil cost should be more like 500/750/1075.
No system in any MMO wouid take almost a year to complete, Crafting as it stands will take over 9 months to complete doing the daily.
That sentence right there: Laughing. Name 1 thing in SWTOR you don't have to pay for that STO give you for free. Like STO free 10 ability bars. SWTOR you start with 2 and don't get more unless you pay $$$. SWTOR restricted content, XP earning and cannot use the top of the line stuff unless you pay $$$ and subscribe. STO, you can use ANYTHING. Also how many ships have we gotten for free? Oddy/Bort, Ambassador, Carriers, DSDs, Risan ships, I mean seriously when is the last time SWTOR gave away ANYHING?
HELL TO POST ON THEIR FORUMS YOU HAVE TO SUBSCRIBE.
Better F2P model? You're nuts.
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Well the first part is password locked so I'll just have to quote it. Zen sales dropped about 25% after DR was announced at Las Vegas. This came from the financials from the last quarter for PWE, their financials as opposed to Cryptic Studios, but from what I can tell PWE does the financials for everything so that's fine.
What'll be interesting is if the next quarter shows something similar, it's obviously one thing to look at this kind of thing pre and post release, but it does show people had their confidence knocked.
Second I can link so here's that: http://steamcharts.com/app/9900#All
That should go to the graph that shows for all time but if it doesn't the option is just above the graph. That big wide spike is LoR at around April 29th 2013. DR is the small spike on the right side of the graph at October 13th 2014. Notice how LoR has more players and decreases over a longer duration, as opposed to DR which is already on a quick downhill and was about 2,000 players less than LoR.
I don't know what March 31st 2014 was, but it wasn't far off peak wise where DR got to, I think it might have been Season 8 but I'm not sure, still doesn't look good from what the expansion should look like on there.
Finally back to the financials, have a look at this if you have an account (it is free so don't worry about making one if you just want to read it, I did): http://seekingalpha.com/article/2434355-perfect-worlds-pwrd-ceo-robert-xiao-on-q2-2014-results-earnings-call-transcript?page=4
At no point in there do they mention STO, and remember this is the more publicly available document. I mean my PR gripes tell me they're covering over a poor season which is reflected in the password locked version of it. So of course, as they see it, why bring it up anyway?
Personally combined with the subjective I tend to lean towards the 'not doing well' end of the argument, but I don't think we'll have a definitive answer until next quarters announcement.
Edit: Apologies you have to take my word for the first one, I know it isn't ideal.
Everything there can be bought off the exchange. They also don't have has many currencies, Crafting does not require any type of currency just mats from ops, fps or farming.
So you have to grind in order to buy the things necessary to continue equipping your gear.
That's ridiculous. I have a friend who was a subscriber, quit to go back to WoW, then when he heard SWTOR went F2P he logged on - and his character spontaneously stripped. So he has a max level character with no equipment.
Great model. :rolleyes:
I couldn't stop laughing after reading this first part and with your avatar of young Whoopi it made it even funnier!!!
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I didn't say it was great, I just said at this point, it is better than STO's. Its model is it wants you to subscribe to play, STO is unless you want to take an eternity to get a maxed out character, pay us money, oh btw we'll make it harder by increasing difficulty (I have no problem with this) and then reducing rewards given (I have a problem with this), and tying necessary components do the Advanced Difficulty STFs (BNPs/APCs) as the only way to get them. That is not conducive to a Casual/Pug friendly model.
I do believe in what you say, I also believe with me there are a lot off people spending money on the game, the upgrades, The lockboxes. STO is a well spend MMO acording to sources of media. And sure I disagree on decisions but there is still a lot off good stuff in STO to do. It's a shame they made such regless decission on the rep system But it does not entirly ruin the game for me I would love it if they undo the damage they done as quickly as posible... Dont get me wrong but I'm not an DPS guy like some gamers but I want to have acces to the whole game thats what I pay for right....
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So when did being able to buy Ability bars suddenly come off the Exchange? That's a new one.
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Edit. Or even better. the only way to have any power in any subsystem is with batteries. weapon batteries would be needed just to fire.
That's like claiming that WoW has a great F2P model because you can play the game for free up to 20th level. Of course, that's when you get your mount and things actually start getting interesting, but it just "encourages" you to sub, right?