lol, if this was true why put tau dewa back up at all? just leave it broken an claim they couldn't fix it. if you going to spout wild conspiracy theories at least pick one that makes sense
Because Tau Dewa is used by anyone leveling a Romulan? Their Story missions start there?
Are you really this stupid or have you just never played this game?
I have come to the conclusion that you don't actually care what the topic may be, you just want to troll.
Japori, etc. was considered an exploit because too many people took Crytpic's advice and ran patrols. Granted, the xp was higher there than anticipated. Personally, I thought it had to do with the new Elite difficulty level and a full team. I didn't know the xp levels were actually askew. Regardless, Cryptic went apesh!t and called it an exploit, pulling the patrols to correct the xp gain. Whether you want to accept it or not is irrelevant; this is what happened.
(Some people DID notice the numbers and took advantage of it. Ill admit that. I wont go as far as to call it an exploit, however. )
Now we have the opportunity to do the same exact thing in the Delta Quadrant run patrols on elite difficulty in a group. If people begin to gain levels there quickly can we say with any degree of confidence Cryptic wont suddenly cry exploit again?
If youre dating a woman who cheats on you and you forgive her, only to have her cheat on you again, are you really just going to shrug it off, pretend it didnt happen and continue dating her under the delusion that shell never cheat again?
I have come to the conclusion that you don't actually care what the topic may be, you just want to troll.
Japori, etc. was considered an exploit because too many people took Crytpic's advice and ran patrols. Granted, the xp was higher there than anticipated. Personally, I thought it had to do with the new Elite difficulty level and a full team. I didn't know the xp levels were actually askew. Regardless, Cryptic went apesh!t and called it an exploit, pulling the patrols to correct the xp gain. Whether you want to accept it or not is irrelevant; this is what happened.
(Some people DID notice the numbers and took advantage of it. Ill admit that. I wont go as far as to call it an exploit, however. )
Now we have the opportunity to do the same exact thing in the Delta Quadrant run patrols on elite difficulty in a group. If people begin to gain levels there quickly can we say with any degree of confidence Cryptic wont suddenly cry exploit again?
If youre dating a woman who cheats on you and you forgive her, only to have her cheat on you again, are you really just going to shrug it off, pretend it didnt happen and continue dating her under the delusion that shell never cheat again?
japori was absolutely an exploit, no one seems to want to admit because they're still clinging to some pathetic hope that if they yell and claim the innocent victim long enough cryptic will cave and give them their ill gotten gains back
as for me being a troll, I wasnt the one who veared this off of the original topic
and for your analogy, if you start dating someone else entirely isn't it jaded to expect her to cheat on you too?
japori and argala are not even remotely similar situations
japori was absolutely an exploit, no one seems to want to admit because they're still clinging to some pathetic hope that if they yell and claim the innocent victim long enough cryptic will cave and give them their ill gotten gains back
as for me being a troll, I wasnt the one who veared this off of the original topic
and for your analogy, if you start dating someone else entirely isn't it jaded to expect her to cheat on you too?
japori and argala are not even remotely similar situations
Japori was an exploit only because Cryptic suddenly decided it was an exploit. It was unchanged for years, since LoR.
Why wasnt it identified and fixed before now if it was such a horrific thing for players to take advantage of? How is Argala NOT an exploit if we are doing the same exact thing? Because the xp isnt as scaled up? What happens when another expansion does the same thing to Argala as Japori? Will it be an exploit then?
Were not dating someone else here, are we? Its still Cryptic and PWE. If we moved to an entirely different set of entities then no, we wouldnt expect them to cheat. Sticking with the same gal, on the other hand
Japori was an exploit only because Cryptic suddenly decided it was an exploit. It was unchanged for years, since LoR.
Why wasnt it identified and fixed before now if it was such a horrific thing for players to take advantage of? How is Argala NOT an exploit if we are doing the same exact thing? Because the xp isnt as scaled up? What happens when another expansion does the same thing to Argala as Japori? Will it be an exploit then?
Were not dating someone else here, are we? Its still Cryptic and PWE. If we moved to an entirely different set of entities then no, we wouldnt expect them to cheat. Sticking with the same gal, on the other hand
im guessing cryptic didn't expect everyone and their grandma to use it all at once, it wasn't really an exploit until they raised the level cap and hundreds of players flocked to it. Did cryptic not realize how bad the scaling was or did they simply expect the player base to not cheat when given the oportunity? who knows, imo its irrelevant, the exploit was there people CHOSE to abuse it
No one is leveling up every other run in argala, its giving exp for the time and effort comparable to other content
and if another expansion does the same thing to argala, yes it will still be just as much of an exploit (if not more so since we've been thru this once already) and fore knowledge or not if crytic fails to fix it will still be the ABUSERS fault if cryptic has to go back and retroactively fix xp again
thought cryptic would be idiots....not responsible mind, but idiots
im guessing cryptic didn't expect everyone and their grandma to use it all at once, it wasn't really an exploit until they raised the level cap and hundreds of players flocked to it. Did cryptic not realize how bad the scaling was or did they simply expect the player base to not cheat when given the oportunity? who knows, imo its irrelevant, the exploit was there people CHOSE to abuse it
No one is leveling up every other run in argala, its giving exp for the time and effort comparable to other content
and if another expansion does the same thing to argala, yes it will still be just as much of an exploit (if not more so since we've been thru this once already) and fore knowledge or not if crytic fails to fix it will still be the ABUSERS fault if cryptic has to go back and retroactively fix xp again
thought cryptic would be idiots....not responsible mind, but idiots
~sigh~ I don't know whether to envy you or pity you, to be honest...
It must be wonderful to live in a world where someone can create a mitigated disaster and yet claim absolutely no responsibility at all. Im glad you dont work for final quality checks of Toyota
Oh, the accelerator stuck to the floor and you sped off, killing several people and nearly yourself due to a mechanical failure we overlooked in our rush to put the cars on market? Well, its not OUR fault YOU shouldnt have been driving. Lalalala we cant hear you!
I posted on how to get form lvl 50-60 in Japori with a group. The xp was good - I had no idea it was "too" good... nect thing, BOOM! Cryptic declares it an exploit and shuts it down...
I posted on how to get form lvl 50-60 in Japori with a group. The xp was good - I had no idea it was "too" good... nect thing, BOOM! Cryptic declares it an exploit and shuts it down...
~sigh~ I don't know whether to envy you or pity you, to be honest...
It must be wonderful to live in a world where someone can create a mitigated disaster and yet claim absolutely no responsibility at all. Im glad you dont work for final quality checks of Toyota
Oh, the accelerator stuck to the floor and you sped off, killing several people and nearly yourself due to a mechanical failure we overlooked in our rush to put the cars on market? Well, its not OUR fault YOU shouldnt have been driving. Lalalala we cant hear you!
funny I was thinking the same thing about you
someone said I had rose colored glasses and that I think cryptic can no wrong (what a joke that is) when you've jumped through hoop after hoop to avoid blaming those truly responsible for this disaster, the ones who knowingly found a bug and exploited the TRIBBLE out of it, we wouldn't be here if it wasn't for them
then again, I guess they got did cryptic to actually fix something, I suppose they should get credit for that at least
someone said I had rose colored glasses and that I think cryptic can no wrong (what a joke that is) when you've jumped through hoop after hoop to avoid blaming those truly responsible for this disaster, the ones who knowingly found a bug and exploited the TRIBBLE out of it, we wouldn't be here if it wasn't for them
then again, I guess they got did cryptic to actually fix something, I suppose they should get credit for that at least
I am not suggesting those who knowingly exploited this are completely innocent.
However, I will not suggest that Cryptic is entirely innocent either.
They created the mess, ignoring the fact this very issue was brought to the attention prior to going live from Tribble (the very tool testers used to gain levels rapidly in order to test content). Forced the rollout anyway and then acted surprised when people found that they could gain levels by doing this, DESPITE the fact they told players in the game do repeat patrols to gain xp.
Some, like me, were under the assumption that it was intended use of the new difficulty system in a group. Set the mobs to elite and go in en masse even npcs lower than you would pop more xp due to the heightened difficulty and sheer numbers. After all, the devs said go out and do this so we did.
Others realized this was a mistake but, having tested it on Tribble and gave warnings to Cryptic, when it rolled to live they assumed it had Cryptics in-writing blessing.
Cryptic had more than a fair share of opportunities to ensure this never happened and yet allowed it to, then penalized a large number of players from both categories above with minimal communication at all (or worse, NONE).
It is not Cryptics fault that those who desired to exploit took advantage of the issue. It is their fault for not only allowing this to become an issue but in the active encouragement of players to go out and take advantage of the patrols, only then to act like someone slipped in behind and goosed them!
Cryptic is anything but blameless in this debacle and they handled the issue incredibly unprofessionally and poorly. Surely we can agree on that.
I am not suggesting those who knowingly exploited this are completely innocent.
However, I will not suggest that Cryptic is entirely innocent either.
They created the mess, ignoring the fact this very issue was brought to the attention prior to going live from Tribble (the very tool testers used to gain levels rapidly in order to test content). Forced the rollout anyway and then acted surprised when people found that they could gain levels by doing this, DESPITE the fact they told players in the game do repeat patrols to gain xp.
Some, like me, were under the assumption that it was intended use of the new difficulty system in a group. Set the mobs to elite and go in en masse even npcs lower than you would pop more xp due to the heightened difficulty and sheer numbers. After all, the devs said go out and do this so we did.
Others realized this was a mistake but, having tested it on Tribble and gave warnings to Cryptic, when it rolled to live they assumed it had Cryptics in-writing blessing.
Cryptic had more than a fair share of opportunities to ensure this never happened and yet allowed it to, then penalized a large number of players from both categories above with minimal communication at all (or worse, NONE).
It is not Cryptics fault that those who desired to exploit took advantage of the issue. It is their fault for not only allowing this to become an issue but in the active encouragement of players to go out and take advantage of the patrols, only then to act like someone slipped in behind and goosed them!
Cryptic is anything but blameless in this debacle and they handled the issue incredibly unprofessionally and poorly. Surely we can agree on that.
oh yes I agree the situation could have been handled better in some ways. I never said cryptic was entirely blamless either
if possible the situation should have been communicated to the players sooner and their plans for fixing it revealed before they did it not after
however....imo removing the xp from the players involved was still correct, the increased xp was not intentional and known bug or not, clear to the players or not, the added xp was ill-gotten and should have been removed as soon as possible
oh yes I agree the situation could have been handled better in some ways. I never said cryptic was entirely blamless either
if possible the situation should have been communicated to the players sooner and their plans for fixing it revealed before they did it not after
however....imo removing the xp from the players involved was still correct, the increased xp was not intentional and known bug or not, clear to the players or not, the added xp was ill-gotten and should have been removed as soon as possible
however....imo removing the xp from the players involved was still correct, the increased xp was not intentional and known bug or not, clear to the players or not, the added xp was ill-gotten and should have been removed as soon as possible
See, this another sign of your tragic space dementia, all paranoid and crotchety.
Sometimes you have to take personal responsibilty for your own mistakes. If a store is selling a $1,000 big-screen TV for only $1, then the price was clearly a mistake/typo, and the customers who 'bought' one were clearly trying to take advantage. In case of an Elite mission, however, which is roughly 5x as difficult as on Normal, and appears to pay out 5x the amount of XP too, the players had every right to cherish the 'reasonable expectation' that the payout was correct. Like in the above example, had the store set the price for said TV to, say, $900, then customers would also have been entirely justified in thinking the price was reasonable/correct. Any Court in the land would say so. Guaranteed.
Ergo, in this case, Cryptic should have done several things:
1) Realized the players were entirely justified in thinking 5x payout for Elite was fair;
2) Taken personal responsibilty for not having listened to *any* feedback from Tribble. They were apparently even advised of the matter, yet ignored it nonetheless (thus tacitly lending their approval, even if the real reason was just them being lazy). Instead of taking it out on the players, they should have said to themselves. 'Oops, maybe we really need to start listening to feedback, you think?!"
3) Realized not everyone is on Tribble, scrutinizing XP tables;
4) Chalked off the error as an unfortunate mishap, on their own end, adjusted the tables (in silence, if need be), and just move on;
5) Rethought the entire XP nerf to begin with, and realized that a 5x payout, for a mission that is 5x as difficult, actually IS more fair.
You tell me! And, for the record, I disagree: even when unintentional, there was every reason to assume people not involved in mass team-trickery in Tau Dewa were acting in good faith.
See, this another sign of your tragic space dementia, all paranoid and crotchety.
Sometimes you have to take personal responsibilty for your own mistakes. If a store is selling a $1,000 big-screen TV for only $1, then the price was clearly a mistake/typo, and the customers who 'bought' one were clearly trying to take advantage. In case of an Elite mission, however, which is roughly 5x as difficult as on Normal, and appears to pay out 5x the amount of XP too, the players had every right to cherish the 'reasonable expectation' that the payout was correct. Like in the above example, had the store set the price for said TV to, say, $900, then customers would also have been entirely justified in thinking the price was reasonable/correct. Any Court in the land would say so. Guaranteed.
Ergo, in this case, Cryptic should have done several things:
1) Realized the players were entirely justified in thinking 5x payout for Elite was fair;
2) Taken personal responsibilty for not having listened to *any* feedback from Tribble. They were apparently even advised of the matter, yet ignored it nonetheless (thus tacitly lending their approval, even if the real reason was just them being lazy). Instead of taking it out on the players, they should have said to themselves. 'Oops, maybe we really need to start listening to feedback, you think?!"
3) Realized not everyone is on Tribble, scrutinizing XP tables;
4) Chalked off the error as an unfortunate mishap, on their own end, adjusted the tables (in silence, if need be), and just move on;
5) Rethought the entire XP nerf to begin with, and realized that a 5x payout, for a mission that is 5x as difficult, actually IS more fair.
Instead, they went and robbed people's accounts.
.....and somebody had to go and ruin it
if someone received stolen goods, unknowingly or not even if they paid for it, its stolen and they will not be allowed to keep it, it was never rightfully theirs
however it an attempt to maintain the trend of compromise
1) some maybe, (though speaking for myself mind) when I heard the amount of exp japori was givng out I avoided it like the plague, it sounded like an exploit and I was not alone
2) 100 percent agree
3) again agree
4) here, no, knowing or not at the very least its not fair to reward those who knew it was an exploit and if you think about it you only "lost" what you shouldn't have had in the first place
5) I do agree that the amount of xp given on elite doesn't reflect the effort put in (one of the many many things wrong with DR to date) but im pretty sure japori was putting out more than that, but even if it wasn't that's still no excuse for using an exploit, if you have a problem with the amount of xp given on elite argue about that, don't hitch your wagon to this mess and i'll be right there with you
if someone received stolen goods, unknowingly or not even if they paid for it, its stolen and they will not be allowed to keep it, it was never rightfully theirs.
You should probably not consider a career in law. If the buyer acted in good faith (i.e., could not reasonably expect the goods were stolen), you don't so immediataly get your stuff back.
1) some maybe, (though speaking for myself mind) when I heard the amount of exp japori was givng out I avoided it like the plague, it sounded like an exploit and I was not alone
Then maybe you shouldn't narrow your mind to Japori only. I was nowhere near Japori, or Tau Dewa even.
4) here, no, knowing or not at the very least its not fair to reward those who knew it was an exploit and if you think about it you only "lost" what you shouldn't have had in the first place
'Those who knew' leads to a foregone conclusion, as the entire question of guilt hinges on the very question whether or not people could have known.
5) I do agree that the amount of xp given on elite doesn't reflect the effort put in (one of the many many things wrong with DR to date) but im pretty sure japori was putting out more than that, but even if it wasn't that's still no excuse for using an exploit, if you have a problem with the amount of xp given on elite argue about that, don't hitch your wagon to this mess and i'll be right there with you
Sorry, but 'the amount of xp given on elite' is highly pertinent to this case, as it goes directly to the question whether people were justified in thinking the pay-out was reasonable, and were thus acting in good faith. Those in Japori may not have been; the rest very likely was.
Just ran this on Adv in my new T6 Intel Warbird with the new Corrosive plasma weapons, DHCs in my case with a DC, Torps and a turret, 1st run through took me about 20mins to finish, so really can't say there ganna do anything else as the time to finish is vastly different per person.
How ever as time go's on I expect I'll get much faster at it as I upgrade my gear etc . But in all honestly if they further nerf the lvling in this game there just be shooting them selfs in the foot even more then they are now lolz.
You should probably not consider a career in law. If the buyer acted in good faith (i.e., could not reasonably expect the goods were stolen), you don't so immediataly get your stuff back.
Then maybe you shouldn't narrow your mind to Japori only. I was nowhere near Japori, or Tau Dewa even.
'Those who knew' leads to a foregone conclusion, as the entire question of guilt hinges on the very question whether or not people could have known.
Sorry, but 'the amount of xp given on elite' is highly pertinent to this case, as it goes directly to the question whether people were justified in thinking the pay-out was reasonable, and were thus acting in good faith. Those in Japori may not have been; the rest very likely was.
would never consider being a lawyer, i'm slimey and disreputable as it is
if weren't in tau dewa and you lost points then you and you others like you do have a right to complain unless the were other maps effected but this bug (again more transparency from cryptic would help here)
I think the question here shouldn't be could they have known (they clearly could have, it way known on tribble) but SHOULD they have known, as I said I assumed it was an exploit, many others assumed it was an exploit, many voiced their disapproval and intention to avoid it in tau dewa chat. if a guy is selling stuff out of the back of his van can you still claim good faith? but again im only talking about tau dewa here, idk why others lost points
unfortunately cryptic doesn't have a metric for peoples state of mind, if they did the exploiters could have been banned and the rest wouldn't have lost points at all. tau dewa may have only been the most popular exploit and any others (if they exsist) got less attention
hypothetically a player could have found a similar bug somewhere else and exploited it, cryptic has no way to be sure
I have found that many of the old Patrol Missions give 945 SP's at completion on the Advanced level.
It's not a lot, but it's better than doing the exact same mission over and over again.
Of course, now that I've mentioned it...
:rolleyes:
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Because Tau Dewa is used by anyone leveling a Romulan? Their Story missions start there?
Are you really this stupid or have you just never played this game?
What flavor Kool-Aid are you drinking? Seriously?
I have come to the conclusion that you don't actually care what the topic may be, you just want to troll.
Japori, etc. was considered an exploit because too many people took Crytpic's advice and ran patrols. Granted, the xp was higher there than anticipated. Personally, I thought it had to do with the new Elite difficulty level and a full team. I didn't know the xp levels were actually askew. Regardless, Cryptic went apesh!t and called it an exploit, pulling the patrols to correct the xp gain. Whether you want to accept it or not is irrelevant; this is what happened.
(Some people DID notice the numbers and took advantage of it. Ill admit that. I wont go as far as to call it an exploit, however. )
Now we have the opportunity to do the same exact thing in the Delta Quadrant run patrols on elite difficulty in a group. If people begin to gain levels there quickly can we say with any degree of confidence Cryptic wont suddenly cry exploit again?
If youre dating a woman who cheats on you and you forgive her, only to have her cheat on you again, are you really just going to shrug it off, pretend it didnt happen and continue dating her under the delusion that shell never cheat again?
japori was absolutely an exploit, no one seems to want to admit because they're still clinging to some pathetic hope that if they yell and claim the innocent victim long enough cryptic will cave and give them their ill gotten gains back
as for me being a troll, I wasnt the one who veared this off of the original topic
and for your analogy, if you start dating someone else entirely isn't it jaded to expect her to cheat on you too?
japori and argala are not even remotely similar situations
Japori was an exploit only because Cryptic suddenly decided it was an exploit. It was unchanged for years, since LoR.
Why wasnt it identified and fixed before now if it was such a horrific thing for players to take advantage of? How is Argala NOT an exploit if we are doing the same exact thing? Because the xp isnt as scaled up? What happens when another expansion does the same thing to Argala as Japori? Will it be an exploit then?
Were not dating someone else here, are we? Its still Cryptic and PWE. If we moved to an entirely different set of entities then no, we wouldnt expect them to cheat. Sticking with the same gal, on the other hand
im guessing cryptic didn't expect everyone and their grandma to use it all at once, it wasn't really an exploit until they raised the level cap and hundreds of players flocked to it. Did cryptic not realize how bad the scaling was or did they simply expect the player base to not cheat when given the oportunity? who knows, imo its irrelevant, the exploit was there people CHOSE to abuse it
No one is leveling up every other run in argala, its giving exp for the time and effort comparable to other content
and if another expansion does the same thing to argala, yes it will still be just as much of an exploit (if not more so since we've been thru this once already) and fore knowledge or not if crytic fails to fix it will still be the ABUSERS fault if cryptic has to go back and retroactively fix xp again
thought cryptic would be idiots....not responsible mind, but idiots
thats what the last guy said about japori
~sigh~ I don't know whether to envy you or pity you, to be honest...
It must be wonderful to live in a world where someone can create a mitigated disaster and yet claim absolutely no responsibility at all. Im glad you dont work for final quality checks of Toyota
Oh, the accelerator stuck to the floor and you sped off, killing several people and nearly yourself due to a mechanical failure we overlooked in our rush to put the cars on market? Well, its not OUR fault YOU shouldnt have been driving. Lalalala we cant hear you!
Yeah... that last guy was me.
I posted on how to get form lvl 50-60 in Japori with a group. The xp was good - I had no idea it was "too" good... nect thing, BOOM! Cryptic declares it an exploit and shuts it down...
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1262631 See for yourself.
i know it was you and tbh i dont blame you i blame cryptic for an overzealous response but there is nothing we can do about it
funny I was thinking the same thing about you
someone said I had rose colored glasses and that I think cryptic can no wrong (what a joke that is) when you've jumped through hoop after hoop to avoid blaming those truly responsible for this disaster, the ones who knowingly found a bug and exploited the TRIBBLE out of it, we wouldn't be here if it wasn't for them
then again, I guess they got did cryptic to actually fix something, I suppose they should get credit for that at least
I am not suggesting those who knowingly exploited this are completely innocent.
However, I will not suggest that Cryptic is entirely innocent either.
They created the mess, ignoring the fact this very issue was brought to the attention prior to going live from Tribble (the very tool testers used to gain levels rapidly in order to test content). Forced the rollout anyway and then acted surprised when people found that they could gain levels by doing this, DESPITE the fact they told players in the game do repeat patrols to gain xp.
Some, like me, were under the assumption that it was intended use of the new difficulty system in a group. Set the mobs to elite and go in en masse even npcs lower than you would pop more xp due to the heightened difficulty and sheer numbers. After all, the devs said go out and do this so we did.
Others realized this was a mistake but, having tested it on Tribble and gave warnings to Cryptic, when it rolled to live they assumed it had Cryptics in-writing blessing.
Cryptic had more than a fair share of opportunities to ensure this never happened and yet allowed it to, then penalized a large number of players from both categories above with minimal communication at all (or worse, NONE).
It is not Cryptics fault that those who desired to exploit took advantage of the issue. It is their fault for not only allowing this to become an issue but in the active encouragement of players to go out and take advantage of the patrols, only then to act like someone slipped in behind and goosed them!
Cryptic is anything but blameless in this debacle and they handled the issue incredibly unprofessionally and poorly. Surely we can agree on that.
oh yes I agree the situation could have been handled better in some ways. I never said cryptic was entirely blamless either
if possible the situation should have been communicated to the players sooner and their plans for fixing it revealed before they did it not after
however....imo removing the xp from the players involved was still correct, the increased xp was not intentional and known bug or not, clear to the players or not, the added xp was ill-gotten and should have been removed as soon as possible
I agree.
Wait, what just happened?
I think we just came to a reasonable understanding.......:eek:
....lets never speak of this again
See, this another sign of your tragic space dementia, all paranoid and crotchety.
Sometimes you have to take personal responsibilty for your own mistakes. If a store is selling a $1,000 big-screen TV for only $1, then the price was clearly a mistake/typo, and the customers who 'bought' one were clearly trying to take advantage. In case of an Elite mission, however, which is roughly 5x as difficult as on Normal, and appears to pay out 5x the amount of XP too, the players had every right to cherish the 'reasonable expectation' that the payout was correct. Like in the above example, had the store set the price for said TV to, say, $900, then customers would also have been entirely justified in thinking the price was reasonable/correct. Any Court in the land would say so. Guaranteed.
Ergo, in this case, Cryptic should have done several things:
1) Realized the players were entirely justified in thinking 5x payout for Elite was fair;
2) Taken personal responsibilty for not having listened to *any* feedback from Tribble. They were apparently even advised of the matter, yet ignored it nonetheless (thus tacitly lending their approval, even if the real reason was just them being lazy). Instead of taking it out on the players, they should have said to themselves. 'Oops, maybe we really need to start listening to feedback, you think?!"
3) Realized not everyone is on Tribble, scrutinizing XP tables;
4) Chalked off the error as an unfortunate mishap, on their own end, adjusted the tables (in silence, if need be), and just move on;
5) Rethought the entire XP nerf to begin with, and realized that a 5x payout, for a mission that is 5x as difficult, actually IS more fair.
Instead, they went and robbed people's accounts.
You tell me! And, for the record, I disagree: even when unintentional, there was every reason to assume people not involved in mass team-trickery in Tau Dewa were acting in good faith.
-sighs-
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.....and somebody had to go and ruin it
if someone received stolen goods, unknowingly or not even if they paid for it, its stolen and they will not be allowed to keep it, it was never rightfully theirs
however it an attempt to maintain the trend of compromise
1) some maybe, (though speaking for myself mind) when I heard the amount of exp japori was givng out I avoided it like the plague, it sounded like an exploit and I was not alone
2) 100 percent agree
3) again agree
4) here, no, knowing or not at the very least its not fair to reward those who knew it was an exploit and if you think about it you only "lost" what you shouldn't have had in the first place
5) I do agree that the amount of xp given on elite doesn't reflect the effort put in (one of the many many things wrong with DR to date) but im pretty sure japori was putting out more than that, but even if it wasn't that's still no excuse for using an exploit, if you have a problem with the amount of xp given on elite argue about that, don't hitch your wagon to this mess and i'll be right there with you
You should probably not consider a career in law. If the buyer acted in good faith (i.e., could not reasonably expect the goods were stolen), you don't so immediataly get your stuff back.
Then maybe you shouldn't narrow your mind to Japori only. I was nowhere near Japori, or Tau Dewa even.
'Those who knew' leads to a foregone conclusion, as the entire question of guilt hinges on the very question whether or not people could have known.
Sorry, but 'the amount of xp given on elite' is highly pertinent to this case, as it goes directly to the question whether people were justified in thinking the pay-out was reasonable, and were thus acting in good faith. Those in Japori may not have been; the rest very likely was.
How ever as time go's on I expect I'll get much faster at it as I upgrade my gear etc
So maybe on an off-day I'll just schedule 10 hours to run it 100 times. I wonder if they'd consider that exploitative?
would never consider being a lawyer, i'm slimey and disreputable as it is
if weren't in tau dewa and you lost points then you and you others like you do have a right to complain unless the were other maps effected but this bug (again more transparency from cryptic would help here)
I think the question here shouldn't be could they have known (they clearly could have, it way known on tribble) but SHOULD they have known, as I said I assumed it was an exploit, many others assumed it was an exploit, many voiced their disapproval and intention to avoid it in tau dewa chat. if a guy is selling stuff out of the back of his van can you still claim good faith? but again im only talking about tau dewa here, idk why others lost points
unfortunately cryptic doesn't have a metric for peoples state of mind, if they did the exploiters could have been banned and the rest wouldn't have lost points at all. tau dewa may have only been the most popular exploit and any others (if they exsist) got less attention
hypothetically a player could have found a similar bug somewhere else and exploited it, cryptic has no way to be sure
It's not a lot, but it's better than doing the exact same mission over and over again.
Of course, now that I've mentioned it...
:rolleyes:
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You need to unlock those patrols first. It's one of the 'story' missions.
Yes, you have to unlock "Friends in unlikely places", one of the patrol mission of delta episodes.
You don't have to take the mission again, though. Once you did it, just jumping into Argala triggers the patrol.