Why Do We Put the Kobali in Charge of Medical?

colonelchenchuan

Isnt that like putting a child molestor in charge of a day care center.

banatine

Of course not, the Kobali don't kill people, they just repurpose people who are already dead.

Now, i WOULD question the integrity of a Kobali Undertaker tough XD

khan5000

"such a lovely corpse..I can't wait to get my virus in her"

kjwashington

It's really more like letting someone who's into necrophilia to be a doctor. As long as their patients don't die, there's nothing to worry about. The only real need for concern is that they might "accidentally" let their patients die. :P

khan5000

"he's dead"
"No I'm not"
"Yup he's dead"
"it's only a tummy ache"
"He's got a xenomorph in him, ready to burst out"
"no i had mexican last night"

neoakiraii

Lets see, they have a way to raise the dead, clearly they are more advance then the Federation medical department.

tucana66

neoakiraii wrote: »

Lets see, they have a way to raise the dead, clearly they are more advance then the Federation medical department.

Nurse: "Doctor! You need to save the patient!"
Kobali Doctor (smiling): "But there's a 'do not resuscitate' order."

Or...
"Why does the Medical Dept. head always assign themself to hospice care? Or morgue duty?"


You have to admit: the Kobali are ghoulish... At least it's NOT Viidians!

erei1

Bring out your dead !

robert359

I never under stood the kobali back story.

Supervisor: did you fine a cure to our sterility?

Researcher: no. But we can bring dead bodies to life as Kobali.

Supervisor: ??... what!! You cured death, but we can't make babies.

Researcher: that is correct.

Supervisor: OK. Lets go with that.

tekehd

colonelchenchuan wrote: »

Isnt that like putting a child molestor in charge of a day care center.

Nope. The Kobali have exceptionally advanced medical technology. Very competent choice for handling medical needs.

cassamiroth

Medical expertise aside... they've demonstrated a lack of experience and competence, with technology and combat. I would pose that putting them out of the main combat areas in a theatre of operations is also a wise choice.

isvarna

I see it as more of everyone under their care suddenly having a donor card. When you fill out an organ donor card and carry it with you, do you trust the EMT that's in charge of saving your life in an accident? Or do you worry that he'll find your wallet and decide to "help you along" because he knows of a sick 9 year old girl back at the hospital that needs a new liver? At the end of the day you're still putting your life in someone else's hands. The only productive worry you should logically have is their competency, because if you have an incompetent medic, you're dead either way.

angrytarg

robert359 wrote: »

I never under stood the kobali back story.

Supervisor: did you fine a cure to our sterility?

Researcher: no. But we can bring dead bodies to life as Kobali.

Supervisor: ??... what!! You cured death, but we can't make babies.

Researcher: that is correct.

Supervisor: OK. Lets go with that.

This is exactly why this people doesn't make sense. A species that would naturally be sterile couldn't develop to the point they did. And if something happened to make them sterile we are to believe they developed means to *resurrect dead of ANY species* and "genetically/magically transform" them into sterile Kobali within a single generation. And they don't try to develop other means of procreation, because the necromancing thing works out so well... or something.

"Just lure other species in to fight for us and collect their cannon fodder. Works everytime "

gulberat

I had the idea that the Ferengi could sell their corpses. Hey, they already believe in monetizing their dead bodies--the only difference would be selling to a single buyer. Yes, it comes with risk but so does any investment. Kobali pay up front, Ferengi get the money and invest it into their business or financial assets while they live, and get a nice big nest egg to pass down to the kids and brag to the Grand Exchequer about. And the Kobali win too except the new model is quite a bit shorter. Still creepy but at least then you'd have full consent on both sides and a written legal contract governing what will and will not be done and when.

tekehd

gulberat wrote: »

I had the idea that the Ferengi could sell their corpses. Hey, they already believe in monetizing their dead bodies--the only difference would be selling to a single buyer. Yes, it comes with risk but so does any investment. Kobali pay up front, Ferengi get the money and invest it into their business or financial assets while they live, and get a nice big nest egg to pass down to the kids and brag to the Grand Exchequer about. And the Kobali win too except the new model is quite a bit shorter. Still creepy but at least then you'd have full consent on both sides and a written legal contract governing what will and will not be done and when.

Hmmm, good marketing potential there..... Yes, Secure the Blessings of the Blessed Exchequer and your place in the Divine Treasury... sell the rights to your corpse to the Kobali today!

gulberat

The really insane part is I can see what kind of financial infrastructure would be in place on both sides to allow it, the premium services, how the valuation could be done, etc. Totally the reason I got my MBA.

fallenhawk

khan5000 wrote: »

"such a lovely corpse..I can't wait to get my virus in her"

Nope,sorry see here- pull back her upper lip to show fangs- she all ready been turn(in to a vampire) . :P;)

jorantomalak

angrytarg wrote: »

This is exactly why this people doesn't make sense. A species that would naturally be sterile couldn't develop to the point they did. And if something happened to make them sterile we are to believe they developed means to *resurrect dead of ANY species* and "genetically/magically transform" them into sterile Kobali within a single generation. And they don't try to develop other means of procreation, because the necromancing thing works out so well... or something.

"Just lure other species in to fight for us and collect their cannon fodder. Works everytime "

and here i thought the iconians were bad

but hey lets go die for the kobali and become kobali therefore infinite kobali?

jexsamx

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

Never on these forums have I seen such a fundamental lack of anything remotely resembling Federation ideals than in these Kobali hate threads.

The Kobali do one single solitary thing that could be considered distasteful at best, but are otherwise a wholly benevolent species. Hating on them for that one thing is no different than hating Muslims and crying about oppression of women because of certain styles they wear. It's ignorant, closed-minded, and backwards. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

gulberat

Jexsamx--What bothers me about the current way the Kobali do things is the fact that they do not have informed consent beforehand as to the potential donor, to know what is going to be done and the potential risks entailed. As for me I am not hating on them...I have a problem with their doing what they are doing without a legal framework in place to govern it. Fix that problem and I won't be so upset. If someone wanted to enter into a contractual agreement after having learned about the risks and benefits of the investment (since I would expect many such arrangements to be financially driven), then I would not be bothered, any more than I am when someone arranges a whole-body donation IRL to science.

erei1

jexsamx wrote: »

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

Never on these forums have I seen such a fundamental lack of anything remotely resembling Federation ideals than in these Kobali hate threads.

The Kobali do one single solitary thing that could be considered distasteful at best, but are otherwise a wholly benevolent species. Hating on them for that one thing is no different than hating Muslims and crying about oppression of women because of certain styles they wear. It's ignorant, closed-minded, and backwards. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

You should play the entire Kobali story arc. They don't only "resurrect" people, but they also let die others, so they have a neverending supply. Sure, they don't kill them, they just wait until they die, while they could help them.

Also, I always thought the Kobali story was dumb. They are able to "resurrect" dead bodies, and transform them as Kobali, but unable to solve their sterility ? Doesn't make a lot of sense. With such an advanced genetic and medical science, they could force reproduction, by melding 2 half of DNA into a new one, just like reproduction works. A bit similar to cloning, except the offspring is not a copy, but an individual. But no, that's a lot more easier the other way.

betayuya

uh, eeeeeeeeew :S

hartzilla

erei1 wrote: »

You should play the entire Kobali story arc. They don't only "resurrect" people, but they also let die others, so they have a neverending supply. Sure, they don't kill them, they just wait until they die, while they could help them.

You must have missed the part at the end where they agree stop doing that and plan on asking people before using their dead for new Kobali.

robert359

jexsamx wrote: »

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

Never on these forums have I seen such a fundamental lack of anything remotely resembling Federation ideals than in these Kobali hate threads.

The Kobali do one single solitary thing that could be considered distasteful at best, but are otherwise a wholly benevolent species. Hating on them for that one thing is no different than hating Muslims and crying about oppression of women because of certain styles they wear. It's ignorant, closed-minded, and backwards. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

I don't hate them. As I said, I don't understand the back story. As I undestand trek science, cloning tek is not that hard. Especially, one would think, for a species that can raise the dead and mutate it in to another species. I guess it is the lack of thought that went into the Kobali story that is my problem.

betayuya

... and this is why The Vidiians created the game Operation ...

commanderkassy

colonelchenchuan wrote: »

Isnt that like putting a child molestor in charge of a day care center.

Yes.

/10char

commanderkassy

tekehd wrote: »

Nope. The Kobali have exceptionally advanced medical technology. Very competent choice for handling medical needs.

So do the borg.

stonewbie

I thought this same thing when i got to the last DR episode.

It's not their capabilities that i'm worried about, its their ethics. We've already found out once that they were keeping secrets from us. As a player we can only really count that one...the audience is shown that a spare Harry Kim is also in stasis but that isnt revealed to your player character so technically that secret doesnt count as #2. But now they've promised that they will only ask before using dead bodies for reanimation? yaaaahhhhh somehow i dont feel reassured by that promise. Maybe if they had been 100% honest with the people who are trying to be their friends/allies then i could trust them.

commanderkassy

gulberat wrote: »

The really insane part is I can see what kind of financial infrastructure would be in place on both sides to allow it, the premium services, how the valuation could be done, etc. Totally the reason I got my MBA.

You're not going to the divine treasury if you are resurrected as a mutant abomination that doesn't care about profit.

betayuya

dead Human=Zombie 1.0

former being into Borg=Zombie 2.0

former living into Kabali=Zombie 3.0

something tells me, the Kobali got the formula right though

jexsamx

erei1 wrote: »

You should play the entire Kobali story arc.

I would, but I can't figure out how to find the open mission "Trapped". >:C