Yep. You STILL don't get it. Can't say I'm surprised.
You need to find another fallback besides "you just don't get it."
I'd suggest something substantive, but let's start with ANYTHING else just to get you comfortable with trying something new.
Exploit = what Crptic says it is. Very simple concept.
Might want to get that pre-frontal cortex checked.
You act like the concept of dishonesty has never occurred to you before.
You'll need to become familiar with it if you don't want to get taken advantage of at every turn throughout your life.
Also, maybe it's just me, but "because mommy and daddy (or whatever arbitrary, self-elected authority figure) said so" stopped working on me about the age of 13.
All the facepalming in the world isn't going to do squat here. They've made their decision and there's nothing you or I or anyone can do about it. This is a concept your average 2 year old can comprehend.
If we don't like the changes they make, we stop playing and stop paying. That's going to send a far more effective message than pissing and whining in forum posts.
Spot-on. And staying true to something I mentioned a couple of days ago, I'm not spending any more for the near-term (possibly longer) due to issues like this, among others.
(And this post won't matter. It's not going to influence others to stop spending. But when they pull financials, there will be less. And THAT will hopefully get the point across.)
Enjoy the bump in profits from Delta Rising, Cryptic/PWE. The next quarter will probably be a whole different situation if players (aka customers) remain dissatisfied.
So you're saying the owners of the game do not have final say in matters related to the game? I think you're just looking for an argument.
No, I think he's saying that, regardless of who has what final say, there's *nothing* in the ToS that can prevent him from having his own view on things.
I think people are misunderstanding Valoreah's point. He's not defending Cryptic, in fact he's stated, several times that boycotting will have a much larger impact than writing forum posts. Submit a bug report, contact support and stop spending money will send a much larger message to cryptic.
He's also not saying you can't dissent or have an opinion in opposition to Cryptic's view, of course you can.
No, I think he's saying that, regardless of who has what final say, there's *nothing* in the ToS that can prevent him from having his own view on things.
Correct :9
Additionally, I'm actually using the context of the discussion this stemmed from where a person was making assumptions about the nature of the exploit and therefore who the exploiters even are.
You're still not getting it. They were exploiting. They were because Cryptic said they were. Cryptic has final say on what is or is not an exploit. Period. End of discussion.
If they say beaming down to ESD is an exploit then it's an exploit. If they say warping out of the Q'onos system is an exploit then it is an exploit. It does not matter whether you think something is an exploit or not. What matters is what Cryptic determines is an exploit.
You and I and the whole STO playerbase may disagree with their decision, question their thinking and such, but ultimately it is Cryptic/PWE's game and they'll do with it as they see fit.
That's an awfully unfortunate attitude. I've made several posts on the matter today, but I want you to know that I don't think taking the extra time to respond to you is worth the effort. You can educate yourself about my opinions elsewhere if you wish, but I'll say this here: the kind of reasoning you've presented here is small-minded and shallow. I encourage you to think harder about these issues before you infer that there's something more thoughtful people aren't getting.
I'm still upset about the fact it still takes forever to kill anything. I agree these are a bigger issues, but maybe Cryptic will hide behind this controversy as an excuse not to do anything further about other issues. Like how everyone was upset about the anniversary ship grind when they should have been complaining about the loss of hourlies.
Even if they bring back the exp and everyone's specialization points, the game still isn't in as good a shape as it was before DR.
But still what a low blow they took a whole week to fix an "exploit" and then roll back everyone specialization points assuming that they took advantage of said "exploit".
I have played many mmo's and most the time a major exploitis found and fixed in a day or two and punishment is only given to those known to have abused it if any punishment is given at all.
PWE is really trying to sell those xp boosts and make you use the upgrade system if you want to kill npcs without taking all night.
What you think is or is not an exploit does not matter. You can disagree and argue about it until you're blue in the face. It doesn't matter. You do not own the game. Cryptic does. That's not at all difficult to grasp.
Robbing me of 6 hard worked for Specialization points is the final straw for me. I was nowhere near Tau Dewa, and will not be lumped in with exploiters, no less get punished for things I didn't do.
As of now I'm boycotting this game. I just logged out, and will not continue to grind, apparently in vain, or spend any dime, whatsoever, until you get your act together, and restore my points, ALL of them, with extreme prejudice.
Another reason I will pause playing, is that I know how you guys operate. You'll send out one of your goons, telling us it's 'under investigation.' Meanwhile I'm building up XP anew, at a pettily reduced rate of 30% of what I used to get, only to see those points lost too when you 'fix' today's momumental TRIBBLE-up. Yeah. Fool me once, and all that.
Im way ahead of you on the not logging in thingy after DR launched and i relised how terrible it is i just decided to take a break from the game sit back and see what happens.
If things continue down this path they are on i wont be back
NOTE TO CRYPTIC : Your starting to hemorrhage players at an alarming rate due to your crappy expansion and mishandling of other ingame issues.
The tau dewa punishment to all just to nab a few is only an example of how your mishandling your game.
Idk if thats the point that your trying to make players leave but if thats the case your way ahead of schedule.
Maybe its time to sit down and talk to your players see if they are truely happy or not and you might find the whole DR expansion and the mishandling of other ingame issues has alienated players and has started to make them walk away.
Either you shape up your act or watch your game degrade into something that has few players a bad reputation as a bad game and little interest from prospective new players.
The Star Trek IP can only save you so much before people get the drift this has become a real crappy game because of your ignorance and mishandling of ingame issues.
Will someone please explain to me what this is all about? I cant play all the time, i am not sure what you are all talking about when it comes to spec points? My apologies in advanced.
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Will someone please explain to me what this is all about? I cant play all the time, i am not sure what you are all talking about when it comes to spec points? My apologies in advanced.
A bunch of people lost a bunch of specialization points after this morning's patch. I've heard some as low as 4, others as high as 50. Some are saying that its a deliberate thing on Cryptic's part, others that it's some kind of bug that can get fixed. For those that feel that it's a deliberate thing it's percieved as yet another blow in recent days from Cryptic.
Speaking for myself, I don't seem to have been affected by this one ... although I'm somehow an Admiral at level 54 on one of my alts.
A bunch of people lost a bunch of specialization points after this morning's patch. I've heard some as low as 4, others as high as 50. Some are saying that its a deliberate thing on Cryptic's part, others that it's some kind of bug that can get fixed. For those that feel that it's a deliberate thing it's percieved as yet another blow in recent days from Cryptic.
Speaking for myself, I don't seem to have been affected by this one ... although I'm somehow an Admiral at level 54 on one of my alts.
A bunch of people lost a bunch of specialization points after this morning's patch. I've heard some as low as 4, others as high as 50. Some are saying that its a deliberate thing on Cryptic's part, others that it's some kind of bug that can get fixed. For those that feel that it's a deliberate thing it's percieved as yet another blow in recent days from Cryptic.
Good recapture.
Still hoping for a bug, but my hopes are dwindling, fast. If it were an obvious bug, they would have said so by now.
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You need to find another fallback besides "you just don't get it."
I'd suggest something substantive, but let's start with ANYTHING else just to get you comfortable with trying something new.
You act like the concept of dishonesty has never occurred to you before.
You'll need to become familiar with it if you don't want to get taken advantage of at every turn throughout your life.
Also, maybe it's just me, but "because mommy and daddy (or whatever arbitrary, self-elected authority figure) said so" stopped working on me about the age of 13.
I'm aware.
Wow, they must be the first people to ever think up the idea of referring to themselves as the final authority on things.
Words on a page don't stop me from coming to an independent conclusion and giving a dissenting opinion.
Takes a incredibly weak will to think that, really.
(And this post won't matter. It's not going to influence others to stop spending. But when they pull financials, there will be less. And THAT will hopefully get the point across.)
Enjoy the bump in profits from Delta Rising, Cryptic/PWE. The next quarter will probably be a whole different situation if players (aka customers) remain dissatisfied.
So you're saying the owners of the game do not have final say in matters related to the game? I think you're just looking for an argument.
No, I think he's saying that, regardless of who has what final say, there's *nothing* in the ToS that can prevent him from having his own view on things.
No, please shove words in people's mouths elsewhere.
He's also not saying you can't dissent or have an opinion in opposition to Cryptic's view, of course you can.
Correct :9
Additionally, I'm actually using the context of the discussion this stemmed from where a person was making assumptions about the nature of the exploit and therefore who the exploiters even are.
Crazy concept, I know.
It's far easier to shove all the words you typed back into your mouth, or do you not recall anything beyond your last post?
Can you find a post where I stated:
"the owners of the game do not have final say in matters related to the game"?
No?
Then you're making a baseless assertion.
have you did the verify all files? or when was the last time you installed the game?
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That's an awfully unfortunate attitude. I've made several posts on the matter today, but I want you to know that I don't think taking the extra time to respond to you is worth the effort. You can educate yourself about my opinions elsewhere if you wish, but I'll say this here: the kind of reasoning you've presented here is small-minded and shallow. I encourage you to think harder about these issues before you infer that there's something more thoughtful people aren't getting.
Even if they bring back the exp and everyone's specialization points, the game still isn't in as good a shape as it was before DR.
But still what a low blow they took a whole week to fix an "exploit" and then roll back everyone specialization points assuming that they took advantage of said "exploit".
I have played many mmo's and most the time a major exploitis found and fixed in a day or two and punishment is only given to those known to have abused it if any punishment is given at all.
PWE is really trying to sell those xp boosts and make you use the upgrade system if you want to kill npcs without taking all night.
Im way ahead of you on the not logging in thingy after DR launched and i relised how terrible it is i just decided to take a break from the game sit back and see what happens.
If things continue down this path they are on i wont be back
NOTE TO CRYPTIC : Your starting to hemorrhage players at an alarming rate due to your crappy expansion and mishandling of other ingame issues.
The tau dewa punishment to all just to nab a few is only an example of how your mishandling your game.
Idk if thats the point that your trying to make players leave but if thats the case your way ahead of schedule.
Maybe its time to sit down and talk to your players see if they are truely happy or not and you might find the whole DR expansion and the mishandling of other ingame issues has alienated players and has started to make them walk away.
Either you shape up your act or watch your game degrade into something that has few players a bad reputation as a bad game and little interest from prospective new players.
The Star Trek IP can only save you so much before people get the drift this has become a real crappy game because of your ignorance and mishandling of ingame issues.
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A bunch of people lost a bunch of specialization points after this morning's patch. I've heard some as low as 4, others as high as 50. Some are saying that its a deliberate thing on Cryptic's part, others that it's some kind of bug that can get fixed. For those that feel that it's a deliberate thing it's percieved as yet another blow in recent days from Cryptic.
Speaking for myself, I don't seem to have been affected by this one ... although I'm somehow an Admiral at level 54 on one of my alts.
Having anything earned taken away because of a mistake they made is regrettable.
And it's a clear indication of how Cryptic feels towards paying customers. Casual F2P players need not apply.
It was reported on Tribble......
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The ranking thing is a common bug.
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Good recapture.
Still hoping for a bug, but my hopes are dwindling, fast. If it were an obvious bug, they would have said so by now.